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Juventus F.C. [2012-2013]
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Ugh, I hate people using the goalkeeper in formation discussions. I saw a Spanish manager campaign for it once and he sounded so pretentious I nearly threw up. It's a 3-5-2, even if you want to give the keeper tactical merit, he's always positioned on the same line, there's absolutely no reason to include him.
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Arnau;3322418 said:
We have Vucinic, Gio and to a degree Quag who all attack from deep, there's no point signing another we need a 9 who can move (Falcao/Cavani are the exact missing piece for this Juve) . I don't think he's proficient enough in defense to oust Marchisio or Vidal or even Asamoah, plus we have a bunch of CM prospects in Pogba, Marrone, Gabriel etc.
Unless he can play LWB or as a Target man we don't need him/have space
Arnau
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Isco/giovinco-Vucinic/Llorente?. Quag and matri are not good enough, a team who want to challenge all competitions need 15/16 starters, and Conte wont play the same system for ever, teams end up knowing each other very well and managers must add new tactical solutions
If you get Llorente for free and Isco for 20m it would be the steal of the century...
If you get Llorente for free and Isco for 20m it would be the steal of the century...
I think Cavani would have been the striker for this Juve team. He is a man possessed off the ball and would fit into the philosophy easily. But I gather it is an unlikely transfer.....unless of course Juve decide to pay some outrageous amount.
Lewandowski would suit the style well too and he could help Gio and Marchisio thrive....Vucinic/Quag as well maybe.
Llorente would probably be good too. He is probably better than all the current available options apart from Euro star Bendtner but he is no Alvaro "European Champ" Negredo.
Lewandowski would suit the style well too and he could help Gio and Marchisio thrive....Vucinic/Quag as well maybe.
Llorente would probably be good too. He is probably better than all the current available options apart from Euro star Bendtner but he is no Alvaro "European Champ" Negredo.
He is good but I don't think he is that special and I think Giroud is similar-although probably not as good as him yet- so I want a different sort of player. It is more of what I think we could need and do with. And Juventus don't have a player like him-all of their forwards apart from Bendtner who is not good enough-that was a joke- are shadow strikers,no?
Obviously if he comes to Arsenal and does well then what can I say? I wasn't all that happy when we signed Arteta as well and imo he is the most important player for us atm-but I had thought of him as a Cesc replacement and was not aware he could be so good as a holding midfielder. I also asked "Jabolindo" and "Arnau" why is it I'm getting it wrong about him and why he is better than Lewa/Jovetic but they didn't reply.
By the way if anyone is wondering if I am underrating his skill and think he is just a big tall man upfront then that isn't the case because he has great technique for a guy of his size from what I've seen. But if there is more I should know please go ahead. I'll appreciate it
Obviously if he comes to Arsenal and does well then what can I say? I wasn't all that happy when we signed Arteta as well and imo he is the most important player for us atm-but I had thought of him as a Cesc replacement and was not aware he could be so good as a holding midfielder. I also asked "Jabolindo" and "Arnau" why is it I'm getting it wrong about him and why he is better than Lewa/Jovetic but they didn't reply.
By the way if anyone is wondering if I am underrating his skill and think he is just a big tall man upfront then that isn't the case because he has great technique for a guy of his size from what I've seen. But if there is more I should know please go ahead. I'll appreciate it
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Llorente is different kind of striker than Bendtner and Giroud, he's a pivot CF, a reference for the CBs and midfielders for the direct play, more agile and technique than what it seems and can keep the ball 2,3,4 seconds to pause the game (without him and Ander, Athletic has no pause and De Marcos, Susaeta, Muniain, Iturraspe etc. don't arrive at time to shot on goal)
I recommend you to download this to meet who is Llorente
http://forum.rojadirecta.es/showthr...Lisbon-26-04-2012&highlight=Athletic+sporting
I recommend you to download this to meet who is Llorente
http://forum.rojadirecta.es/showthr...Lisbon-26-04-2012&highlight=Athletic+sporting
Mus
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Arnau;3322687 said:
Isco - Vucinic will cause the same issue as Gio - Vucinic, although it will be an improvement as Isco is the better (smarter?) player than Gio, not worth the investment for the small improvement however. The backup formation is/has been 4-3-3, where Isco again is competing with Vucinic, Giovinco, Quag, Pepe and Isla*. He's an unnecessary luxury at the moment when we desperately need a 9 above all else, Llorente and Marchisio can be deadly, but I am not too sure he mixes too well with Pirlo
Isla* was fantastic against Argentina, especially considering he has barely played since his operation, we definitely should be giving him a lot more minutes in the upcoming games, hoping for 90 in the CL
I agree that Juve most need a striker but also agree with what Arnau said the team needing another tactical solution. Pirlo won't go on forever and can he sustain his high levels on a regular basis now that Juve are in the CL?
Also they could do with a creative talent to link that midfield to attack. Gio has the ability to do that but I find his decision making questionable and don't think he has much vision.He seems to be a glory hunter like Sneijder with **** movement like him and not as good accuracy or vision.
In the Chelsea game for example when Pirlo was restricted by Oscar I felt they suffered without a player capable of taking over creatively in the space between the midfield and two forwards. Usually you would see Vidal/Marchisio making the platform for Pirlo to step up in that area and he is capable of pulling the strings even from a little further back but how would he do it when he is marked so well while Marchisio/Vidal have to keep track of opposition players going beyond them in dangerous areas? Obviously a forward as a strong technically good target man say like Llorente would be big help in that case and would help make space for Marchisio/Gio to exploit but they could do with a creative player.
By the way, Arnau- I saw the 1st half but its taking too much time to download the rest. What I gathered is that you are right when you say Llorente is more agile and physically flexible than I had thought of him. I was aware he had good skill and he seems well aware of his surroundings as well. He'd be good for our wide players and Ramsey. He certainly looks more suited to our game than Giroud due to his flexibility and he is more agile but I'd argue Giroud has better movement inside the box. Though Llorente's finishing could be much better.
So.... I'd be glad if we get him but imo Juve need him more and hope they get him as they are not far off a truly great side.
And Juve could do with a ball playing CB as well. Bonnuci's distribution is decent but he is not that good. What happened to Lucio? he could carry the ball out of defense.
Also they could do with a creative talent to link that midfield to attack. Gio has the ability to do that but I find his decision making questionable and don't think he has much vision.He seems to be a glory hunter like Sneijder with **** movement like him and not as good accuracy or vision.
In the Chelsea game for example when Pirlo was restricted by Oscar I felt they suffered without a player capable of taking over creatively in the space between the midfield and two forwards. Usually you would see Vidal/Marchisio making the platform for Pirlo to step up in that area and he is capable of pulling the strings even from a little further back but how would he do it when he is marked so well while Marchisio/Vidal have to keep track of opposition players going beyond them in dangerous areas? Obviously a forward as a strong technically good target man say like Llorente would be big help in that case and would help make space for Marchisio/Gio to exploit but they could do with a creative player.
By the way, Arnau- I saw the 1st half but its taking too much time to download the rest. What I gathered is that you are right when you say Llorente is more agile and physically flexible than I had thought of him. I was aware he had good skill and he seems well aware of his surroundings as well. He'd be good for our wide players and Ramsey. He certainly looks more suited to our game than Giroud due to his flexibility and he is more agile but I'd argue Giroud has better movement inside the box. Though Llorente's finishing could be much better.
So.... I'd be glad if we get him but imo Juve need him more and hope they get him as they are not far off a truly great side.
And Juve could do with a ball playing CB as well. Bonnuci's distribution is decent but he is not that good. What happened to Lucio? he could carry the ball out of defense.
Mus
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4-3-3 Asamoah - Vidal - Marchisio behind Vucinic - Llorente? - Isla
Bonucci is great with the ball when he isn't trying to be Pirlo but horrible without it.
The thing is you guys are talking about back ups and B and C tactics. We're not Man City we can't splash out 20m on a player who is incompatible with our main system. Besides, since when do the Spanish play well in Serie A
Bonucci is great with the ball when he isn't trying to be Pirlo but horrible without it.
The thing is you guys are talking about back ups and B and C tactics. We're not Man City we can't splash out 20m on a player who is incompatible with our main system. Besides, since when do the Spanish play well in Serie A
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