Kristian III
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Macedonia wear a red and yellow striped kit right?
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Macedonia wear a red and yellow striped kit right?
djperthglory
Starting XI
yes they do, they have changed just recently to a red and white strip!!
MadAZNFootballe
Youth Team
next time you BS Kristian i suggest you actually have evidence to back it up...
Kristian III
Club Supporter
F*ck you.
I've already told you I have no reason to bullsh*t.
F*cking prat.
Kristian III
Club Supporter
I'm trying to provide someone with honest help.
If somesone's going to provoke me by reffering
to my advice as bullsh*t then don't expect me to ignore it.
Expect me to retaliate rather.
djperthglory
Starting XI
woah i didnt expect 1 question would turn this thread into ajoke and arguement thread!!!
MadAZNFootballe
Youth Team
prove your point and i would gladly STFU.....thats right...you can't...get a life and use colloquial english instead of your childish playground slangs
Kristian III
Club Supporter
Listen you f*cking arrogant dolt,
I've already stated before that I can't prove it in no easy way
which is what I'd like. I have done nothing wrong.
Which means you should just quit your little f*cking harrasment game and STFU. Go to f*cking sleep.
If I try to honestly provide someone with help, you either
1. try provide and contribute to the topic, or
2. Simply step the f*ck off.
Simple. Or maybe not to you.
Therefore I shall be waiting for your next ''positive'' reply.
Let's see what we shall make of that.
I've already stated before that I can't prove it in no easy way
which is what I'd like. I have done nothing wrong.
Which means you should just quit your little f*cking harrasment game and STFU. Go to f*cking sleep.
If I try to honestly provide someone with help, you either
1. try provide and contribute to the topic, or
2. Simply step the f*ck off.
Simple. Or maybe not to you.
Therefore I shall be waiting for your next ''positive'' reply.
Let's see what we shall make of that.
Passanzaro
Youth Team
Its been a long time since ive done it, but im pretty sure you dont unlock any teams by winning the international cup (or any cup) in pes3. And yes i have won everything on 5 stars. Apparently you were supposed to be able to unlock the all star teams by winning something, but konami 'forgot' to enable that. Afaik, they are the only hidden teams in pes3.
Maybe youre confused with another game, or youre confusing with unlocking the classic teams in pes shop, or youre just messing with him, who knows
Maybe youre confused with another game, or youre confusing with unlocking the classic teams in pes shop, or youre just messing with him, who knows
I think in Winning Eleven 7 you can get FYROM by just winning some turneys and aquiring points, then using the points on the WE-Shop to add the team. I currently dont have enough points to look, since i used them on other things you can buy. Can anyone with access to the add team can tell us?
djperthglory
Starting XI
hey hellas please call me by my name not by some stupid thing u greeks think our name is.
i am a macedonian not a former yugolslav rebublic of macedonian
i am sure u wouldny like to be called a former ottoman empire state of greece (FOESG) would u???
i am a macedonian not a former yugolslav rebublic of macedonian
i am sure u wouldny like to be called a former ottoman empire state of greece (FOESG) would u???
Sorry for that. I didnt do it on purpose (no hidden nationalism there). Its just that this is how they usualy reffer to your nation. If Im not mistaken, thats the official name too.
But for the sake of argument, your example is not the same. Yugoslavia was a federal republic, the ottoman empire was an...empire....
In other words greeks could not...vote their way off the ottoman empire
Olympiakos7
Club Supporter
Yo.
THIS IS A BIIIIIG PROBLEM. It has nothing to do with nationalism at all.
There is no Macedonia as an independent country, if there was to be one it would be Greek.
People from Sweden, England etc dont understand the point of course... People from the US probably dont even know where Greece actually is.
You should read on if you want to learn the truth from the Greeks' viewpoint; I have never heard the other side anyway, they just claim to be Macedonians, no proof or something similar.
What is Macedonia? Double answer.
Macedonia can be seen both as the piece of land and also as the ancient Greek "empire" that, led by Alexander the Great, once conquered half the Asia.
There is no doubt that Fyrom (just like northern Greece, Yugoslavia, Albania, Bulgary) is sited on the ancient Macedonian land, but what is questionable (if not funny) is the Fyroms' effort to appear as those who continue the "Macedonian tradition"...
THE LAND:
Macedonia is a large area in the Balcans, which nowadays (contrary to the ancient times) does not belong to a single country. There is the Greek part which is the biggest of all, the Bulgarian part, the Yugoslavian part, the Albanian part etc.
All these people however do not claim to be Macedonians, they are just Yugoslavians, Bulgarians and Albanians; just like Fyrom they have nothing in common with the ancient Macedonia apart from the fact that they live on the same land. At those ancient times their ancestors did probably not even know where Macedonia was, they were probably living a "bit" (a lot I'd say actually) more to the north and moved later on to the region.
"THE EMPIRE":
Macedonia as it has been known since the "ancient times", including kings like Alexander the Great, Philip etc, was something like ancient Sparta, Athens and so on. It was yet another independent GREEK city and individual country at the same time. At that time every Greek city was on its own and they usually fought each other; if there was a common enemy though they united and fought together (for example against Persia or much earlier as Homer says against Troy). There was of course no organised Greek country/nation at the time but all these people had, lets say, common ancestors.
But surely there was no Macedonian country/nation the way people from Fyrom mean it, as there was no Albanian etc.
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I bet you know that Alexander, Philip and all these names are Greek. Philip`s body was buried and has been found 50km away from my town, in a place called Vergina. You should also know that Macedonians spoke and wrote Greek and took part in the Olympic Games ( where only Greeks were allowed to do so ). I have never heard of a person named eg. Igor taking part...
Alexander for example was student of some of the greatest Greek philosophers of that time and his father Philip had won a medal in the Olympics.
Now you the "Macedonian" tell me if your ancestors spoke and wrote Greek, if they took part in the Olympic games, if they fought against the Persians and so on. Also if they had names like Alexander, Philip, Olympiad etc. If yes, you are a true Macedonian.
I guess you people from Fyrom also know where these names actually come from (I mean their root), for example, Philip = Filippos = Fil+ippos (that means "the one who loves horses" in case you dont understand the language that Macedonians spoke and wrote).
Except if you tell us that the ancient Macedonians, eg Alexander and his army, had names like Igor, Goran etc. Because all these remind me of Russian/Bulgarian/Hungarian etc names. I apologise (apology, another greek word you should know btw) to people from Russia/Bulgaria/Hungary if I mentioned them by mistake, but I hope that you get my point...
The marbles that have been revealed by the excavations right next to my town (which was in the beginning believed to be the site of the ancient Macedonian palace) have Greek words "written" (its called enscripted I think) on them, there is nothing written in ...Cyrillic. It's that simple, nothing really complex...
Search your whole country and if you find one enscription ageing back 2500 years that is not written in Greek I will believe everything you say.
And btw, tell me why you FYROMs try to "steal" (in greek it is called "kapileia", if you are a Macedonian as you claim you should be able to understand it properly) our nations' history.
Lack of own history perhaps? Lack of national identity I'd say... The saddest thing of all for a nation. You tell me.
There are some nations (including Fyrom I suppose) that have very little history, this cant be changed (sometimes thats good sometimes bad).
You got to try to live with that, instead of stealing other peoples' history, shouting out in every chance that it belongs to you and being proud of something that has nothing to do with you.
Let me give you an example...
The Egyptians built the Pyramids. At that time the Egyptians ruled lands that now belong to other countries. Could you imagine eg. the Syrians changing their country's name into "Democracy of the people of the Nile", putting a pyramid as a symbol on their flag and claiming that they themselves built the Pyramids?
It's at least FUNNY, dont you think?
But thats what these people from Fyrom are doing now...
Of course the Syrians that I mentioned above do have their own history as a nation and do not feel the need to steal pieces from others to complete the puzzle...
There is another difference. Syrians would be ""allowed"" to some extent to claim something like this because they did exist at that time as a nation, contrary to the Fyroms who, let me be generous, have a history of 1000 years and by no means 2500 or more...
Greece has existed for thousands of years now, "Macedonia" the way that people from Fyrom mean it is just another one of the many "inventions" of the USA in the Balcan and not only region in their effort to have some weak nations under their control.
Go check out the recent survey that shows which nations worlwide (not politicians but the peopleS) support the US. I bet Fyrom is top five together with Albania of course. No question why... For the same reason that there is no question for Israel and ...Afghanistan.
You claim to be a Macedonian from the country of Macedonia and that you carry on the Macedonian tradition...
So:
You must speak Greek.
You must write Greek.
You must have a Greek name.
If you match these requirements you are a true Greek, and I am very happy about that.
Otherwise, if for example you cannot read an ancient Macedonian enscription (if it's "all Greek to you"), you are free to convince yourself that Alexander the Great is part of your nation's history.
PS: F*ck racists, nationalists and all those idiots
THIS IS A BIIIIIG PROBLEM. It has nothing to do with nationalism at all.
There is no Macedonia as an independent country, if there was to be one it would be Greek.
People from Sweden, England etc dont understand the point of course... People from the US probably dont even know where Greece actually is.
You should read on if you want to learn the truth from the Greeks' viewpoint; I have never heard the other side anyway, they just claim to be Macedonians, no proof or something similar.
What is Macedonia? Double answer.
Macedonia can be seen both as the piece of land and also as the ancient Greek "empire" that, led by Alexander the Great, once conquered half the Asia.
There is no doubt that Fyrom (just like northern Greece, Yugoslavia, Albania, Bulgary) is sited on the ancient Macedonian land, but what is questionable (if not funny) is the Fyroms' effort to appear as those who continue the "Macedonian tradition"...
THE LAND:
Macedonia is a large area in the Balcans, which nowadays (contrary to the ancient times) does not belong to a single country. There is the Greek part which is the biggest of all, the Bulgarian part, the Yugoslavian part, the Albanian part etc.
All these people however do not claim to be Macedonians, they are just Yugoslavians, Bulgarians and Albanians; just like Fyrom they have nothing in common with the ancient Macedonia apart from the fact that they live on the same land. At those ancient times their ancestors did probably not even know where Macedonia was, they were probably living a "bit" (a lot I'd say actually) more to the north and moved later on to the region.
"THE EMPIRE":
Macedonia as it has been known since the "ancient times", including kings like Alexander the Great, Philip etc, was something like ancient Sparta, Athens and so on. It was yet another independent GREEK city and individual country at the same time. At that time every Greek city was on its own and they usually fought each other; if there was a common enemy though they united and fought together (for example against Persia or much earlier as Homer says against Troy). There was of course no organised Greek country/nation at the time but all these people had, lets say, common ancestors.
But surely there was no Macedonian country/nation the way people from Fyrom mean it, as there was no Albanian etc.
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I bet you know that Alexander, Philip and all these names are Greek. Philip`s body was buried and has been found 50km away from my town, in a place called Vergina. You should also know that Macedonians spoke and wrote Greek and took part in the Olympic Games ( where only Greeks were allowed to do so ). I have never heard of a person named eg. Igor taking part...
Alexander for example was student of some of the greatest Greek philosophers of that time and his father Philip had won a medal in the Olympics.
Now you the "Macedonian" tell me if your ancestors spoke and wrote Greek, if they took part in the Olympic games, if they fought against the Persians and so on. Also if they had names like Alexander, Philip, Olympiad etc. If yes, you are a true Macedonian.
I guess you people from Fyrom also know where these names actually come from (I mean their root), for example, Philip = Filippos = Fil+ippos (that means "the one who loves horses" in case you dont understand the language that Macedonians spoke and wrote).
Except if you tell us that the ancient Macedonians, eg Alexander and his army, had names like Igor, Goran etc. Because all these remind me of Russian/Bulgarian/Hungarian etc names. I apologise (apology, another greek word you should know btw) to people from Russia/Bulgaria/Hungary if I mentioned them by mistake, but I hope that you get my point...
The marbles that have been revealed by the excavations right next to my town (which was in the beginning believed to be the site of the ancient Macedonian palace) have Greek words "written" (its called enscripted I think) on them, there is nothing written in ...Cyrillic. It's that simple, nothing really complex...
Search your whole country and if you find one enscription ageing back 2500 years that is not written in Greek I will believe everything you say.
And btw, tell me why you FYROMs try to "steal" (in greek it is called "kapileia", if you are a Macedonian as you claim you should be able to understand it properly) our nations' history.
Lack of own history perhaps? Lack of national identity I'd say... The saddest thing of all for a nation. You tell me.
There are some nations (including Fyrom I suppose) that have very little history, this cant be changed (sometimes thats good sometimes bad).
You got to try to live with that, instead of stealing other peoples' history, shouting out in every chance that it belongs to you and being proud of something that has nothing to do with you.
Let me give you an example...
The Egyptians built the Pyramids. At that time the Egyptians ruled lands that now belong to other countries. Could you imagine eg. the Syrians changing their country's name into "Democracy of the people of the Nile", putting a pyramid as a symbol on their flag and claiming that they themselves built the Pyramids?
It's at least FUNNY, dont you think?
But thats what these people from Fyrom are doing now...
Of course the Syrians that I mentioned above do have their own history as a nation and do not feel the need to steal pieces from others to complete the puzzle...
There is another difference. Syrians would be ""allowed"" to some extent to claim something like this because they did exist at that time as a nation, contrary to the Fyroms who, let me be generous, have a history of 1000 years and by no means 2500 or more...
Greece has existed for thousands of years now, "Macedonia" the way that people from Fyrom mean it is just another one of the many "inventions" of the USA in the Balcan and not only region in their effort to have some weak nations under their control.
Go check out the recent survey that shows which nations worlwide (not politicians but the peopleS) support the US. I bet Fyrom is top five together with Albania of course. No question why... For the same reason that there is no question for Israel and ...Afghanistan.
You claim to be a Macedonian from the country of Macedonia and that you carry on the Macedonian tradition...
So:
You must speak Greek.
You must write Greek.
You must have a Greek name.
If you match these requirements you are a true Greek, and I am very happy about that.
Otherwise, if for example you cannot read an ancient Macedonian enscription (if it's "all Greek to you"), you are free to convince yourself that Alexander the Great is part of your nation's history.
PS: F*ck racists, nationalists and all those idiots
djperthglory
Starting XI
ummmmmm olymipakos,
in recent times i have laid to rest the history of alexander. not because i fel that he is macedonian. but because the fact that it was history. it is something that should be put away. i have made soo many greek friends now and we seem to never bring up the issue.
i will not respond to u on the issue of alexander the great KING OF MACEDONIA. but i will talk to you about the issue of no macedonia??
you claim that there is no macedonia?? you claim that the REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA is in fact yugoslav??? you claim that macedonians have to know greek?? well mate i can tell you one thing. the only greek thing i know is moussaka and thats been said to be turkish so i dont know if i know greek. i am a macedonian i was born in australia but i have been back to my beloved country many times before and i can tell you that it is a country with a heart, a country with ambition. we are not yugoslavs, we are macedonians and thats how we like to be known MACEDONIA. or in my language REPUBLIKA MAKEDONIJA!!!
lastly might i remind you that in the atlases dating back centuries ago there was no country called greece, but there was a country called macedonia!!! hmmm pretty strange isnt it??? its pretty strange that alexander, KIRIL and METODIJA (god knows what they call the fathers of the cyrillic language in greek) were all born in that country of MACEDONIA. so is it the MACEDONIANS speaking GREEK or is it VICE VERSA... ask yourself that question!!! also ask yourself the question IF MACEDONIA WAS MORE POWERFUL THAN GREECE AND HAD ALL ITS COUNTRY TOGETHERBEFORE THE 1913 SPLIT WHAT WOULD IT BE LIKE TO BE A GREEK AND WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE A MACEDONIAN??
oh and BTW hellas (zagorakis) the SG forumer your apology is accepted as for this latest attack by this PRO GREEK (whatever) if he tries to apologise i dont think i will be that easy on him!!!
in recent times i have laid to rest the history of alexander. not because i fel that he is macedonian. but because the fact that it was history. it is something that should be put away. i have made soo many greek friends now and we seem to never bring up the issue.
i will not respond to u on the issue of alexander the great KING OF MACEDONIA. but i will talk to you about the issue of no macedonia??
you claim that there is no macedonia?? you claim that the REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA is in fact yugoslav??? you claim that macedonians have to know greek?? well mate i can tell you one thing. the only greek thing i know is moussaka and thats been said to be turkish so i dont know if i know greek. i am a macedonian i was born in australia but i have been back to my beloved country many times before and i can tell you that it is a country with a heart, a country with ambition. we are not yugoslavs, we are macedonians and thats how we like to be known MACEDONIA. or in my language REPUBLIKA MAKEDONIJA!!!
lastly might i remind you that in the atlases dating back centuries ago there was no country called greece, but there was a country called macedonia!!! hmmm pretty strange isnt it??? its pretty strange that alexander, KIRIL and METODIJA (god knows what they call the fathers of the cyrillic language in greek) were all born in that country of MACEDONIA. so is it the MACEDONIANS speaking GREEK or is it VICE VERSA... ask yourself that question!!! also ask yourself the question IF MACEDONIA WAS MORE POWERFUL THAN GREECE AND HAD ALL ITS COUNTRY TOGETHERBEFORE THE 1913 SPLIT WHAT WOULD IT BE LIKE TO BE A GREEK AND WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE A MACEDONIAN??
oh and BTW hellas (zagorakis) the SG forumer your apology is accepted as for this latest attack by this PRO GREEK (whatever) if he tries to apologise i dont think i will be that easy on him!!!
djperthglory
Starting XI
oh and olympiakos have u ever heard of goce delcev??? he was born in kukus (greek territory now, in the middle of the area you greeks own now). he is actually considered to be bigger than alexander in macedonas history. i dont know why u dont claim him as a greek revolutionist. instead he faught for the macedonians!!! you dont even know who he is!!! do you??
lastly because i cant be fkd talking to ppl like you,
i have been back to macedonia, and i have been to macedonia that now is (greek owned). i was really amazed to see most of the ppl i met in the region spoke macedonian. it was fantastic. i didnt hear a single greek word it was crazy!!! areas that you may know as MELITI, FLORINA, KASTORIJA. i have relitives from there and they all spoke macedonian too me. i was even invited to a wedding where i heard a song sung in macedonians getting repeated 100 times over saying MACEDONIANDS FROM ALL PARTS WE ARE STILL UNITED, EVENTHOUGH WE ARE VIRTUALLY SPLIT OUR HEARTS BELONG TOGETHER. WE ONLY HAVE ONE MOTHER NATION AND THATS MACEDONIA. this was sung in macedonian and not in GREEK!!!
anyways this thread i opened up to help me about a team in a soccer match not macedonian and greek history so i thank you all for your help but i dont think i will visit this forum anymore as of this previous attack!!!
lastly because i cant be fkd talking to ppl like you,
i have been back to macedonia, and i have been to macedonia that now is (greek owned). i was really amazed to see most of the ppl i met in the region spoke macedonian. it was fantastic. i didnt hear a single greek word it was crazy!!! areas that you may know as MELITI, FLORINA, KASTORIJA. i have relitives from there and they all spoke macedonian too me. i was even invited to a wedding where i heard a song sung in macedonians getting repeated 100 times over saying MACEDONIANDS FROM ALL PARTS WE ARE STILL UNITED, EVENTHOUGH WE ARE VIRTUALLY SPLIT OUR HEARTS BELONG TOGETHER. WE ONLY HAVE ONE MOTHER NATION AND THATS MACEDONIA. this was sung in macedonian and not in GREEK!!!
anyways this thread i opened up to help me about a team in a soccer match not macedonian and greek history so i thank you all for your help but i dont think i will visit this forum anymore as of this previous attack!!!
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