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Man Utd make deals with Sporting and Porto for Nani and Anderson
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Moreira_Benfica
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Haha
leegibbo23.hotm
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looks like some bad news 4 us utd fans!!.. 
find this on the utd website.
United face a legal battle over their £17million signing Anderson. The Home Office are set to reject the Brazilian's application for a work permit - putting his big-money move from Porto on hold. Current regulations specify that non-EU players must have played at least 75 per cent of their country's games in the past two years. Anderson has yet to play a full international but has been named in their squad for this summer's Copa America. United will appeal and are understood to have already started putting together a legal team for the challenge.
Ali Martin, The Sun
find this on the utd website.
United face a legal battle over their £17million signing Anderson. The Home Office are set to reject the Brazilian's application for a work permit - putting his big-money move from Porto on hold. Current regulations specify that non-EU players must have played at least 75 per cent of their country's games in the past two years. Anderson has yet to play a full international but has been named in their squad for this summer's Copa America. United will appeal and are understood to have already started putting together a legal team for the challenge.
Ali Martin, The Sun
leegibbo23@hotm;2339566 said:looks like some bad news 4 us utd fans!!..
find this on the utd website.
United face a legal battle over their £17million signing Anderson. The Home Office are set to reject the Brazilian's application for a work permit - putting his big-money move from Porto on hold. Current regulations specify that non-EU players must have played at least 75 per cent of their country's games in the past two years. Anderson has yet to play a full international but has been named in their squad for this summer's Copa America. United will appeal and are understood to have already started putting together a legal team for the challenge.
Ali Martin, The Sun
Not the only rule for a work permit. If a player shows considerable talent and is as young as Anderson is, he'll get a work permit on appeal. Plus it's the sun!
Harmsworth1
Senior Squad
Excuse me for my ignorance... But what is all this work permit problem? Can someone kindly expalin to me?
Harmsworth1;2340851 said:
For a player to be eligable to play (work) in the UK, the home office have drawn up criteria for entry. If the player is a European national (that is, born in the EU or lived in the EU for more than 3 years) then the permit is not required. (So Nani and Hargreaves are ok). For a non-EU player to qualify automatically he has to have played 75% of games for his national team (this is also dependant on the NT's FIFA ranking)
Anderson is Brazillian and has yet to play for Brazil because he is so young, therefore he won't meet criteria for automatic entry. However, because he is widely regarded as such an exceptional talent and is in the Brazil NT now, United should be able to secure a permit because Anderson will be an asset to the Premiership, rather than being likely to sit on the bench and just basically fade away. The rules were brought in to stop clubs bringing in too many non-EU nationals and basically I think it's stupid. A footballer has as much right to work in the EU as anyone else, they'll pay tax and contribute so what's the problem.
Mike
Actually it's irrelevent whether some people regard a non EU player as having "exceptional" talent. This criteria just does not exist.
We have had the same problem with Alex currently at PSV for the last 3 years. He also is in the Brazilian NT squad and that has not made a bit of diffence. He has spent 3 years playing in Europe so now he can qualify for a work permit in England. I think you will find that Man U will face the same problem with Anderson.
The Home Office seems set to reject Anderson's application for a work permit on the grounds that he has not played in at least 75% of the Brazil games he was available for over the last two years and that on its own will be enough to reject any appeal.
We have had the same problem with Alex currently at PSV for the last 3 years. He also is in the Brazilian NT squad and that has not made a bit of diffence. He has spent 3 years playing in Europe so now he can qualify for a work permit in England. I think you will find that Man U will face the same problem with Anderson.
The Home Office seems set to reject Anderson's application for a work permit on the grounds that he has not played in at least 75% of the Brazil games he was available for over the last two years and that on its own will be enough to reject any appeal.
yeah I guess.
There has been new criteria been bought in over the last couple of years to make it easier to gain a work permit in the UK, like the "Highly Skilled Migrant Programme (HSMP) ", but this deals with people who are assessed on their professional qualifications ( Degree's and so forth).
There are additional rules for sportspeople who wish to work in the UK. Apart from the normal criteria, they must be able to prove that they have indeed been offered a contract by a sporting club or institution and that they will be able to "pay their way" while in the UK. Anderson would meet these 2 demands of course but that will hardley be enough to secure himself a work permit.
He could be crafty and apply for a temporary visa of course which would allow him to work in the UK for a period of up to 6 months. The drawback with this is that he would not be allowed to recieve any pay for services rendered.
I think Man U will have a hard time with the Home Office over this. Unless the Minister concerned turns out to be a Man U fan of course.
There has been new criteria been bought in over the last couple of years to make it easier to gain a work permit in the UK, like the "Highly Skilled Migrant Programme (HSMP) ", but this deals with people who are assessed on their professional qualifications ( Degree's and so forth).
There are additional rules for sportspeople who wish to work in the UK. Apart from the normal criteria, they must be able to prove that they have indeed been offered a contract by a sporting club or institution and that they will be able to "pay their way" while in the UK. Anderson would meet these 2 demands of course but that will hardley be enough to secure himself a work permit.
He could be crafty and apply for a temporary visa of course which would allow him to work in the UK for a period of up to 6 months. The drawback with this is that he would not be allowed to recieve any pay for services rendered.
I think Man U will have a hard time with the Home Office over this. Unless the Minister concerned turns out to be a Man U fan of course.
SlowSilver
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pede54;2341338 said:
Oh right, of course. If Anderson does happen to get a work permit, you'll be banging on about this, will you?
SlowSilver;2341343 said:
Nah mate I couldn't care less one way or the other. I just thought I would contribute to the speculation here, by pointing out some hard facts about where Man U will have a hard time getting a work permit from the Home office.
Its just knowledge that some people might not be aware of, thats why I posted it.
Do I always have to post a smilie to give a clue that a comment might be humourous? Chill a little my friend.
SlowSilver
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pede54;2341355 said:
Nah mate I couldn't care less one way or the other. I just thought I would contribute to the speculation here, by pointing out some hard facts about where Man U will have a hard time getting a work permit from the Home office.
Its just knowledge that some people might not be aware of, thats why I posted it.
Do I always have to post a smilie to give a clue that a comment might be humourous? Chill a little my friend.
I'm "chilled" mate. It just sounded like you were gearing up to flame the home office if Anderson was granted a work permit - accusing them of being biased towards United. I apologise..
Ah thats cool mate
I've just been revising the home office rules for work permits....AND I stand corrected.
"A work permit is issued when: - the FIFA ranking of the player''s country is at or above 70th place in the official rankings list when averaged over the two years preceding the date of the work permit application; and - a player has played for his country in at least 75 per cent of its competitive, ''A'' team matches for which he was available for selection during the two years preceding the date of the work permit application. 2. An independent appeal procedure exists should an application fail and a club wish to present additional and supportive evidence. Football appeals panels comprise representatives from the relevant football bodies and up to three independent experts. They must agree that any evidence produced confirms that the player is: of the highest calibre; and able to make a significant contribution to the domestic game. "
So there it is. All Man U have to do is convince the home office that Anderson does indeed have the last 2 points in his favour and that should be that.
The Home Office seem to think that as long as a player comes from Brazil, then he IS of the highest caliber. Polititians never did know anything about football, so they should be easily convinced.:mexican:
Oh yeah. Denilson it seems, already held a Portuguese passport Nick.
I've just been revising the home office rules for work permits....AND I stand corrected.
"A work permit is issued when: - the FIFA ranking of the player''s country is at or above 70th place in the official rankings list when averaged over the two years preceding the date of the work permit application; and - a player has played for his country in at least 75 per cent of its competitive, ''A'' team matches for which he was available for selection during the two years preceding the date of the work permit application. 2. An independent appeal procedure exists should an application fail and a club wish to present additional and supportive evidence. Football appeals panels comprise representatives from the relevant football bodies and up to three independent experts. They must agree that any evidence produced confirms that the player is: of the highest calibre; and able to make a significant contribution to the domestic game. "
So there it is. All Man U have to do is convince the home office that Anderson does indeed have the last 2 points in his favour and that should be that.
The Home Office seem to think that as long as a player comes from Brazil, then he IS of the highest caliber. Polititians never did know anything about football, so they should be easily convinced.:mexican:
Oh yeah. Denilson it seems, already held a Portuguese passport Nick.