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Manchester United F.C Thread [2010/2011]

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ArgVega

Yellow Card - Racism; Exp. 31/08/2013
mnj2x;2946803 said:
The way Rooney is going about this one is utterly disrespectful. Its not like he has been putting in world class performances to be demanding ludicrous amount of money (if reports are true which I believe is very likely).

Seriously?

- He scored 40 goals last year
- Equalled CR7 2007-2008 Campaign with 26 league goals
- Was named PFA player of the year
- Was neck and neck with Messi for the golden boot, until the Bayern injury

and you guys don't think he deserves a raise?

Now you guys put all your hope on Berba who most of you wanted out...,
 

cfdemarco

Reserve Team
For those who haven't seen it, here is Rooney's statement:

"I met with David Gill last week and he did not give me any of the assurances I was seeking about the future squad,'' said Rooney. "I then told him that I would not be signing a new contract.''

"I was interested to hear what Sir Alex had to say yesterday and surprised by some of it,'' continued Rooney. "It is absolutely true, as he said, that my agent and I have had a number of meetings with the club about a new contract. During those meetings in August I asked for assurances about the continued ability of the club to attract the top players in the world.

"I have never had anything but complete respect for MUFC. How could I not have done given its fantastic history and especially the last six years in which I have been lucky to play a part?

"For me its all about winning trophies - as the club has always done under Sir Alex. Because of that I think the questions I was asking were justified.

"Despite recent difficulties, I know I will always owe Sir Alex Ferguson a huge debt. He is a great manager and mentor who has helped and supported me from the day he signed me from Everton when I was only 18. For Manchester United's sake I wish he could go on forever because he's a one off and a genius.''

So, either it's Glazer's fault for limiting the transfer budget, or Ferguson's fault for claiming ridiculously that there was no value in the market.
 

Help?

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Its clearly the Glazers. The numbers don't lie, we are not only broke but are in deep water of debt which will only get worse. The Glazers are just stupid for not selling to the Red Knights, looks like Malcolm didn't teach them that much really.

Rooney leaving is just the start, Nani will follow not long after im afraid
 

pede54

Team Captain
Well, as previously noted, Fergie is under orders to fully back the Glazers, so he's been in a very difficult position for a while now. I'm sure he would like to tell the World how these incompetent Yanks have ruined his club but unless he's thinking of quitting United himself, he has no choice but to toe the line. So the blame for United's steady decline can only be blamed on the owners.

United fans......Some of the stuff you have written here before you had even heard both sides of the Rooney saga, is fickle to the extreme. It never ceases to amaze me how United fans always turn so hatefully against their own players, when their manager tells them that a certain player will be leaving. The Rooney episode is not the first time we have witnessed it either.

So now you know that the reason Rooney wants out is because the Glazers have no intention of keeping United a competitive club for the future. David Gill could not assure Rooney that there will be investment in the squad.

Look at the squad you have. It is still a squad of hopefuls and has beens. If you were Rooney's age would you want to commit to a club with such limited ambition?

This is NOT the Manchester United of legend we are talking about here. This a completely different club altogether now. They have no money to spend any longer as is evident from the players they have to use of very limited ability.

These players 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago would never have trod on the turf at Old Trafford, and well you know it. So the writing has been on the wall for you all to see for a long time now.

Think of what Rooney has done for your club over the last 6 years instead of what has happened in the last 6 days. To do otherwise is fickle, ungrateful and ignorant.

Don't forget that Rooney is simply an employee of the club. He isn't a Man U fan and has never claimed to be one. His responsibility is to himself and his own ambitions, and if your club cannot match his ambitions then you have to blame the club, the owners and the board, for the mess you are now in.

Look at Liverpool and begin to worry.
 

mnj2x

Senior Squad
pede54;2946877 said:
Well, as previously noted, Fergie is under orders to fully back the Glazers, so he's been in a very difficult position for a while now. I'm sure he would like to tell the World how these incompetent Yanks have ruined his club but unless he's thinking of quitting United himself, he has no choice but to toe the line. So the blame for United's steady decline can only be blamed on the owners.

United fans......Some of the stuff you have written here before you had even heard both sides of the Rooney saga, is fickle to the extreme. It never ceases to amaze me how United fans always turn so hatefully against their own players, when their manager tells them that a certain player will be leaving. The Rooney episode is not the first time we have witnessed it either.

So now you know that the reason Rooney wants out is because the Glazers have no intention of keeping United a competitive club for the future. David Gill could not assure Rooney that there will be investment in the squad.

Look at the squad you have. It is still a squad of hopefuls and has beens. If you were Rooney's age would you want to commit to a club with such limited ambition?

This is NOT the Manchester United of legend we are talking about here. This a completely different club altogether now. They have no money to spend any longer as is evident from the players they have to use of very limited ability.

These players 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago would never have trod on the turf at Old Trafford, and well you know it. So the writing has been on the wall for you all to see for a long time now.

Think of what Rooney has done for your club over the last 6 years instead of what has happened in the last 6 days. To do otherwise is fickle, ungrateful and ignorant.

Don't forget that Rooney is simply an employee of the club. He isn't a Man U fan and has never claimed to be one. His responsibility is to himself and his own ambitions, and if your club cannot match his ambitions then you have to blame the club, the owners and the board, for the mess you are now in.

Look at Liverpool and begin to worry.

Yea...A club that has won 3 Titles and a CL and a couple of carling cups over the last four season is made up of has beens and hopefuls. Only lost to you guys by a point last season. Yes we clearly have no ambition.

Rooney just wants a handsome pay check and hasnt got the balls to admit it.
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
AsmodaiPlay;2946780 said:
We've allowed the likes of Tevez and Ronaldo to go without truly replacing them and I think the money we have had available hasn't been spent as effectively as it could have given the fees paid for unproven players like Bebe and Smalling (Van der Vaart was only an extra 1mil than Bebe, thats not value for money on our part).

We can't afford Van Der Vaart's salary. Isn't it obvious? Thats why we now have to buy unproven players and hope they flourish so that we can sell them with profit later on.
 

cfdemarco

Reserve Team
We didn't look all that great today, but whatever, a win is a win at this point.

Interesting blog from ESPN's James Martin:
Good riddance. That was my knee-jerk reaction to the news that Wayne Rooney wanted out of Old Trafford. A day later, after reviewing the developments that have more twists and turns than a soap opera, I still feel that Manchester United would be best served to let Rooney go. The sooner, the better.

At Tuesday's press conference, manager Sir Alex Ferguson looked like a hurt father, scorned by a wayward son who no longer wanted his advice. Instead of the surly Scot renowned for giving his stars the hair-dryer treatment, Ferguson solemnly spoke about keeping an "open door." He seemed resigned to the fate that he'd lost control of a player. He bemoaned that these days clubs have to deal with agents instead of parents.

In short, he sounded out of touch with the modern game in which mercenary outfits such as Manchester City buy a player's loyalty one check at a time.

Ferguson shouldn't keep an open door. He should slam it shut.

See ya, Roo. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

While Ferguson's demeanor was a surprise, we shouldn't be too shocked that Rooney wants out. Yes, he has said that he would spend the rest of his career at United, but do we believe anything professional athletes say these days? Their words are too often only as good as what their agents are telling them. Besides, as a friend of mine reminded me today, Senor Shrek used the exact same tactic when leaving Everton. "You reap what you sow," my buddy wrote.

What is United losing? One goal -- a penalty kick -- this season from a player whose off-field life would fit right in on the Jersey Shore.

This isn't Cristiano Ronaldo, Part II. Ronaldo, more than any other United player, deserves credit for United's recent success. Since he left, the team has yet to replace his peerless skill -- and goal tally.

Of course, letting Rooney go isn't that simple. He was the best player in the league last season. He is a worldwide star. He's one of the faces of EA Sports FIFA Soccer 11, for goodness sake. Does it get any bigger? United's American owners, the Glazers, want to continue to expand the Red Devils' brand on a global scale to help bring in revenues and pay off their massive debts. Without a star like Rooney, and no other stars on the squad right now, that becomes a much more difficult proposition.

The Glazers keep insisting the money is there for Ferguson to spend on marquee players, but no one believes this, do they? After all, the club hardly touched the £80 million pounds from the sale of Ronaldo. Instead, the Red Devils welcomed Antonio Valencia and Chris Smalling, among others.

It's naïve to think that the Glazers' business plan would fold like lawn chairs after Labor Day if Rooney left. The Old Trafford turnstiles have seen many stars come and go, and the club remains one of the biggest and most popular in the world. The reason, of course, is the continued success on the pitch more than any one player. And that's where "Rooney Gate" becomes intriguing.

It's not necessarily critical that United sells Rooney and uses the money to buy another EA-worthy star, though fans would surely welcome such a move. What's important is that the Red Devils use the opportunity to strengthen the team so it can stay in the top four of the Premier League and keep its spot in Europe's premier competition, the Champions League. Those are not exactly the ambitious goals you associate with United. Reality sometimes bites.

Given the bad feelings between Rooney and Ferguson and knowing that Rooney is clearly not the type of player who's going to hang around like Paul Scholes or Ryan Giggs but instead will more than likely burn himself out at a much younger age, Ferguson needs to cut bait. Frankly, United has firepower up top without him. Dimitar Berbatov has found his scoring boots this season, and Javier Hernandez is proving to be an asset in front of goal. The Mexican international should only get better.

Instead, the Red Devils should use this opportunity to their advantage. If they're smart, they won't trade striker for striker but bolster the team's midfield.

For example, you could see a situation developing between United and Real Madrid in which Rooney heads to the Bernabeu and Karim Benzema, who Ferguson wanted a season ago, heads to Old Trafford (with some extra coin to compensate United for its troubles). And Jose Mourinho has told reporters that Rooney should "give me a call" if he decides to leave. It wouldn't be a bad move getting Benzema, whose style would fit in with the Premier League, but if Real seriously pursued England's No. 1 striker Ferguson might want to consider Kaka instead. The Brazilian playmaker has been injured this season. He also was patchy last year, struggling in particular when he was on the field with Ronaldo. Perhaps a move to Old Trafford could reignite his career.

Another option could be Real's Lassana Diarra. He's not the most creative type, but he would add a welcomed bit of pace and muscle to United's midfield, which aside from veterans Scholes and Giggs is as barren of talent as "America's Got Talent." Real's Esteban Granero, who can be a creative playmaker or sit behind the strikers, is another option, especially since he's not getting much playing time at Real.

This isn't to suggest either of these players are world-beaters or the equivalent of an in-form Rooney but Diarra and Granero would be a step up from United's current midfield options. Anderson, who also wants out, makes so many wayward passes and runs, he might as well wear sunglasses and hold a tin cup. Michael Carrick, once a rising star, has seen a precipitous dip in his form and is not the answer. Wednesdays' Champions League match proved it again.

Wherever Rooney ends up -- Man City, Chelsea, Real, Barca, Bayen Munich, which are the clubs that could afford him -- United should treat Rooney like a Band-Aid. Don't pull it off slowly, but rip it off quickly. It'll hurt, but only for a second. Trade him in the January transfer window, and move on. Otherwise, he'll continue to be a distraction on a team that's already struggling to put points on the board and keep pace with league leader Chelsea.

Ferguson has always put the club first, the player second. Yet he appeared soft and emotional on Tuesday. That, and not Rooney's decision to leave, is perhaps the most surprising development of this soap opera.

Hopefully, the surly old Scot whom United fans love and critics love to hate will come out of the witness protection program and slam the door on Rooney.

A Rooney/Kaka swap could be pretty interesting...
 

cfdemarco

Reserve Team
Another interesting article from an ESPN writer:
LONDON -- Now that we know Wayne Rooney is likely gone from Manchester United, the $64,000 question -- or should that be the $79 million question, reflecting his possible transfer value -- is why?

Why, indeed, would the 24-year-old want to leave one of the biggest clubs in the world, a place where he's turned into a hero, made tons of cash on and off the field and honed his skills working under revered boss Alex Ferguson, as well as alongside consummate pros Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes?

Yes, at this point, there are more questions than answers, even if Rooney shed some light on the situation with a statement on Wednesday.

Let's further speculate for a second.

Two theories are making the rounds, assuming we can rule out a bust-up with Ferguson. Fergie went to great lengths Tuesday in his somber press conference to emphasize no such argument occurred, and as far as we know, Rooney never got a boot in the face. He didn't mention anything untoward in the statement.

So theory one: It's the cash. Greed, to be blunt. Of course, Rooney would never admit it.

Rooney is making roughly $140,000 a week, a tidy sum, although relative pocket change for Manchester City's owners. Reports suggest Rooney could land a staggering $365,000 a week should he make the short hop to the blue side of Manchester. Even though Ferguson said Tuesday that United's contract offer on the table for Rooney would be hard to beat, City will come out on top if it's just a matter of which club has the deeper pockets. Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini, earlier Wednesday, sidestepped the issue of a potential January swoop.

"Rooney is a great player, but I think he'll stay at United," Mancini told reporters, understandably playing it safe and mirroring the words of Real Madrid boss Jose Mourinho.

The second theory, and the one Rooney predictably followed, states that Rooney's departure is all about ambition. Rooney sees that United is in debt, knows the manager can't buy the players he wants, knows Scholes and Giggs won't be around much longer and thus rationalizes he won't get any league or Champions League titles in the next few years. That was the theory being put forward by Manchester United Supporters' Trust (MUST).

It's also ridiculous. MUST likes to take a pop at United's owners, the Glazer family, anytime it can.

Fergie has shown enough times in the past he can restructure -- "rebuilding" overstates matters -- squads. If a committed Rooney stays, United still challenges on all fronts. If he goes, you can bet Fergie will be allowed to spend the proceeds on another world-class performer or two.

What megastar has moved to another team based on potential? In recent seasons, Cristiano Ronaldo left United for Real Madrid, his boyhood club; Kaka swapped A.C. Milan for Real Madrid; Ronaldinho went to A.C. Milan after Barcelona; and Thierry Henry moved from Arsenal to Barcelona.

Rooney won't go abroad. He's not the continental sort, so we're talking primarily about City as his destination. City isn't even assured a spot in next season's Champions League. If striker Carlos Tevez sustains a long-term injury, the Blues are in big trouble. Yet Rooney has the nerve to say, "It's all about winning trophies."

So, as much as Rooney can dress it up as ambition, it's the money that appears to be the motivating factor in this saga. A sad truth, but one becoming more and more frequent.
 

pede54

Team Captain
mnj2x;2946886 said:
Yea...A club that has won 3 Titles and a CL and a couple of carling cups over the last four season is made up of has beens and hopefuls. Only lost to you guys by a point last season. Yes we clearly have no ambition.

Rooney just wants a handsome pay check and hasnt got the balls to admit it.

Like I said dipstick, we aint talking about the Man U of legend. We are talking about the club as it is right now and more relevantly for the foreseeable future.

Rooney is a multi-millionaire mate. Money would be his last motivation I would think.
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
pede54;2946944 said:
Like I said dipstick, we aint talking about the Man U of legend. We are talking about the club as it is right now and more relevantly for the foreseeable future.

Rooney is a multi-millionaire mate. Money would be his last motivation I would think.

The ambition is certainly there, man. You've got players like Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand, Fletcher who will always fight to win games. The thing is, quality is lacking. We don't have a proven world-class player who can win games on his own. Although Nani is on his way there. But he'll be sold for sure once he reaches his peak.
 

adedawson

Senior Squad
unless he had gambling & prostitution problems with a wife potentially wanting to take him to the cleaners :D

Cant believe he wants to leave, but so be it. I just hope we can recover.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
pede54;2946944 said:
Rooney is a multi-millionaire mate. Money would be his last motivation I would think.

Knowing what I know about professional athletes, this is totally wrong. They don't have long careers and they are VERY aware of that fact. They try to squeeze out as much money as they can before they are forced to retire, because they don't want to be selling used cars when they're 64.
 

cfdemarco

Reserve Team
Honestly...I wouldn't be surprised if Rooney is looking for big money now so that he's not left broke when his wife finally gets fed up with his antics and kicks him to the curb.
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
Wasn't Rooney involved in a lawsuit or something? He lost 4.3 millions or something ion that. Wouldn't be surprised if he chose to leave because of the money.
 

Help?

Fan Favourite
pede54;2946877 said:
It never ceases to amaze me how United fans always turn so hatefully against their own players, when their manager tells them that a certain player will be leaving. The Rooney episode is not the first time we have witnessed it either.

What else are we supposed to do when a player disrespects our club like that? We support and stick up for our players and then they go talking **** like United has no ambition. Maybe United is heading for bankruptcy but show some respect, bigger miracles have happened before. Now thanks to Rooney every star is going to seriously question moving to United, he basically called the club with its current squad "a middle-table team".
 

rony31

Team Captain
rhizome17;2946741 said:
Looks like Fergie is occupying that perch that he knocked Liverpool off.

Gonna be fun pushing him off it now (H)!


Where have you been all my life?! (H) Definitely making that my new facebook profile picture hahaha.

PS: Update the sig mate, SWP now needs saving FROM City. :(
 

VanTheMan

You'd better behave yourself this time!
pede54;2946944 said:
Like I said dipstick, we aint talking about the Man U of legend. We are talking about the club as it is right now and more relevantly for the foreseeable future.

Rooney is a multi-millionaire mate. Money would be his last motivation I would think.

no offence but how many multi millionaires have you come across mate ?
in a country here like India when Ive dealt with clients like Ogilvy & Mather , Reliance , The India head of BMW, etc...their main intent is to keep gathering money
asfter one stage..if they are earning 1,50,000 a week and it lasts till 2 years, they feel like they aint progressing and are worth nothing more..
the greed keeps rising alot in them...

There are a very few who feel that OK, there was a time when I earned 15 pounds a week and now it 1,50,000...so Im surely set for my whole life and the next 2 generations..

Rooney's statement was really amateur and he clearly jumped on the bandwagon..what more, he made hsi team mates look like non ambitious fringe players...

If he wants to leave he can..but Im just sick of the concept of the attitude of players of this modern era...they so easily give statements like " Im here for life" , " best club in the world " , etc and then in short notice counter thier own words..
 

rhizome17

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creativemantra;2947044 said:
he made hsi team mates look like non ambitious fringe players...
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Obertan, Park, Macheda, Smalling, Rafael, Carrick, Owen... yup. You pretty much summed them up.


(H)
 

VanTheMan

You'd better behave yourself this time!
rhizome17;2947049 said:
Obertan, Park, Macheda, Smalling, Rafael, Carrick, Owen... yup. You pretty much summed them up.


(H)

Id say Park, macheda, Smalling, rafael
they are worth being in the squad
Macheda , Smallig and Rafael have huge potential

Park is an amazing Utility player and can change games with hsi energy


players like Carrick seem to be going down day by day and owen is a waste of space
 
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