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Manchester United Thread [2004-2005]

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Fernandez said:
I'm sure he will die soon. He is old and with him as a top target for us fans, I won't be surprised if we start the new season without him as owner.
I think it's not about him getting richer, he already had his fun with Tampa. I think it's him trying to set up a nice retirement pension for his sons and thier children, that's why Joel and his brother are the board members.
 

Andrejs

Starting XI
Sisters kick back at Glazer

By DAVID JONES


THE sisters of the American businessman who has bought Manchester United have warned supporters his interest in the famous soccer club is only financial.


Marcia Shapiro, 79, and Jeanette Goldstein, 83, have warned that Malcolm Glazer would "buy players, sell players, raise ticket prices, do whatever will make him money".

Mr Glazer, 76, owner of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers gridiron team, took control of Manchester United when Irish investors J.P. McManus and John Magnier sold him their stake. He has since increased his holding to the point where he is close to taking the club back into private ownership.

Supporters have protested furiously outside the club's Old Trafford ground and there are fears that the upheaval could force out United's abrasive but brilliant manager, Sir Alex Ferguson.

"Sir Alex Ferguson will do Malcolm's bidding or he won't be managing the team," Mrs Shapiro said.

"There's always been an expression in our family 'It's Malcolm's way or the highway'. This manager might have a temper, but my brother can shout and rant with the best of them. He can take on the world. How do you think he got where he is today?"

Glazer, 76, claims he took sole control of the family jewellery and watch-repairing business at the age of 15 after his father, Abraham, died from stomach cancer aged 51.

He says his father, a Jewish refugee from Russia, had left an estate of only $400, which Glazer turned into a billion-dollar, fish oil-to-trailer parks empire on his own.

His sisters say he is a liar.

"Four hundred dollars? That's a bunch of rot," Mrs Shapiro said. "Father left us a nice house in the best section of Rochester, New York. We had a full-time maid and a Steinway piano and a new Cadillac. We all had nice vacations. Is that nothing?"

In Tampa Bay, Florida, gridiron fans are grateful to Glazer for bankrolling their team, the Buccaneers, to a Super Bowl victory two years ago. But there is no affection for him.

Soon after buying the "Buccs", he raised ticket and merchandise prices and charged fans to park their cars on match days.
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Heh :)
 

barthez4

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This man is a disgrace to my city. You know you're not wanted when your family is knocking you in the press. I don't see why someone doesn't just kidnap the old piece of shiet and force him to stop or die. Surely there's someone out there crazy enough to do it.
 

reddebil99

Youth Team
A lot of you guys don't understand many aspects of business. He probably will not make the company private, and keep it as a publicly traded company with him holding the vast majority.

Second of all, all the profits we get from shirt sales go directly to Nike, not us. Nike signed a huge chunk of cash back in 2002 (I think).

I have my worries, but I'm not worried that the team will be run into the ground, I find that absolutely impossible.

If you plan on boycotting the team then just go **** off to Chelsea. You have a situation in front of you, not continuing to buy tickets and merchendise will hurt the team to a certain degree. Some of you have crazy consipracy theories in your head anyway, the majority of the debt won't be covered by the fans. I'm positive he will use many other resources to cover the debt. He might look like a piece of **** but he IS one of the best businessmen in the world, you cannot deny him that, right?

I've been a United fan since I was a toddler, so I'm sticking with the team through thick or thin.
 

James007

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reddebil99 said:
I've been a United fan since I was a toddler, so I'm sticking with the team through thick or thin.

Many of us will too, but you can't deny this either - the only way Glazer, although he is a good businessman, can understand football in the UK and Europe is by reading his little books, tryign to follow United, when he probably doesn't give a damn. He's not in this for the love of the club, he's in it for the money.

Granted, many of us "probably dont understand the aspects of business." (no sarcasm meant) So we don't probably see he may do well for the club, he may mean well. But all we see here in Europe is a fat American trying to take over one of the world's most historic clubs.
 

PhiLLer

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reddebil99 said:
I've been a United fan since I was a toddler, so I'm sticking with the team through thick or thin.

Nobody said they wouldn't stick with the team, it's the PLC part of the club they won't be sticking with.
 

Daz

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does anyone know where there is a summary of the FINANCIAL effects of the takeover are please?

cheers

daz
 

Bobby

The Legend
Fernandez said:
Changing the stadium's name is destroying the identity of the club. It's not like we changed stadiums or anything. Even if we sell our stadium name rights, I doubt the amount will be enough to repay the debt + interest.

No it doesn't.

How many people called the riverside "The BT Cellnet stadium"?
 

Kulixs

Starting XI
Andrejs said:
Sisters kick back at Glazer

By DAVID JONES


THE sisters of the American businessman who has bought Manchester United have warned supporters his interest in the famous soccer club is only financial.


Marcia Shapiro, 79, and Jeanette Goldstein, 83, have warned that Malcolm Glazer would "buy players, sell players, raise ticket prices, do whatever will make him money".

Mr Glazer, 76, owner of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers gridiron team, took control of Manchester United when Irish investors J.P. McManus and John Magnier sold him their stake. He has since increased his holding to the point where he is close to taking the club back into private ownership.

Supporters have protested furiously outside the club's Old Trafford ground and there are fears that the upheaval could force out United's abrasive but brilliant manager, Sir Alex Ferguson.

"Sir Alex Ferguson will do Malcolm's bidding or he won't be managing the team," Mrs Shapiro said.

"There's always been an expression in our family 'It's Malcolm's way or the highway'. This manager might have a temper, but my brother can shout and rant with the best of them. He can take on the world. How do you think he got where he is today?"

Glazer, 76, claims he took sole control of the family jewellery and watch-repairing business at the age of 15 after his father, Abraham, died from stomach cancer aged 51.

He says his father, a Jewish refugee from Russia, had left an estate of only $400, which Glazer turned into a billion-dollar, fish oil-to-trailer parks empire on his own.

His sisters say he is a liar.

"Four hundred dollars? That's a bunch of rot," Mrs Shapiro said. "Father left us a nice house in the best section of Rochester, New York. We had a full-time maid and a Steinway piano and a new Cadillac. We all had nice vacations. Is that nothing?"

In Tampa Bay, Florida, gridiron fans are grateful to Glazer for bankrolling their team, the Buccaneers, to a Super Bowl victory two years ago. But there is no affection for him.

Soon after buying the "Buccs", he raised ticket and merchandise prices and charged fans to park their cars on match days.
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Heh :)
The last thing i want to do is to protect Glazer, but his sisters are probably just bitter after he took them to court over his mother's will :(
 

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reddebil99 said:
A lot of you guys don't understand many aspects of business. He probably will not make the company private, and keep it as a publicly traded company with him holding the vast majority.

Second of all, all the profits we get from shirt sales go directly to Nike, not us. Nike signed a huge chunk of cash back in 2002 (I think).

I have my worries, but I'm not worried that the team will be run into the ground, I find that absolutely impossible.

If you plan on boycotting the team then just go **** off to Chelsea. You have a situation in front of you, not continuing to buy tickets and merchendise will hurt the team to a certain degree. Some of you have crazy consipracy theories in your head anyway, the majority of the debt won't be covered by the fans. I'm positive he will use many other resources to cover the debt. He might look like a piece of **** but he IS one of the best businessmen in the world, you cannot deny him that, right?

I've been a United fan since I was a toddler, so I'm sticking with the team through thick or thin.
I understand the way a business is run pretty well and when it is Glazer with his history, than i see no good in it at all. Of coarse he can't just pull a Leeds United 2 after 5-10 years, because the fans will absolutely kill him, literally kill him and if he will be dead by that time, then they will kill his sons. And also he will of coarse use other sources to cover the debts, but how many other sources can you think of that cover the debts, without the fans money involved in it? Cup revenue? He won't get that much from winning cups. Sell prized players? That's always bad for the team. Yes, Glazer is a good businessman and that's the problem. Businessmen don't do business with heart, they do business thinking of money and money only. Just like Glazer's sisters said, that Malcolm is a big liar and he will screw the fans over and it's been proven in the past. The point for boycotting in bringing in any money to the club is to have the dramatic decrease in revenue, which would immediately make the team much less attractive to income and Glazer would look then somewhere else to make his money, instead of using the team.


Just remember one thing, that there is no friends or passion in conducting a business, it's only you and you trying to make as much money as possible in whatever way. And i don't know about you, but i certainly won't give anything to that **** that has that russian money-grabbing blood in him, that same one that Roman Abramovich has.
 

PhiLLer

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I think what concerns us, the United fans, is that Glazer hasn't outlined what his plans will be. Nobody knows exactly what he going to do except put us 256m into debt. He has mentioned 20m being available each season (which, by the way, is peanuts in todays tranfer marker) but other than that he hasn't made anything clear on how the club will be run, how he intends to make the club bigger, how he wants to invest money etc.
We can't stop him taking over, it's happened and it's a damn shame and I wish it could be undone, I don't want him at United but now that he has taken over the least he could do is outline his policies.
I think this adds to the sceptism and worries of the supporters.
 

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PhiLLer said:
I think what concerns us, the United fans, is that Glazer hasn't outlined what his plans will be. Nobody knows exactly what he going to do except put us 256m into debt. He has mentioned 20m being available each season (which, by the way, is peanuts in todays tranfer marker) but other than that he hasn't made anything clear on how the club will be run, how he intends to make the club bigger, how he wants to invest money etc.
We can't stop him taking over, it's happened and it's a damn shame and I wish it could be undone, I don't want him at United but now that he has taken over the least he could do is outline his policies.
I think this adds to the sceptism and worries of the supporters.
And it also shows how much he doesn't give a damn about the club and his supporters. He said that this is a investment takeover and that's the only thing he has on his mind.
 

James007

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exactly, many people here could own United, do horribly business-wise, but at least we would konw the expectations, and actually care for the club and fans, and not just worry about making a few thousand pounds here and there. it's just sick.
 

houston3721

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is that Glazer has about 74% shares now? If he gets 75% then he has to buy all the rest(100%) to make it private???

I hope he doesnt ruin our club...but he is the owner and he can do whatever he wants...we just want to know what he is going to do

and i watched the news report on TV that the fans in Manchester went to protest and burnt the paper Glazer. :p
 

TheBlueBalla

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houston3721 said:
is that Glazer has about 74% shares now? If he gets 75% then he has to buy all the rest(100%) to make it private???

I hope he doesnt ruin our club...but he is the owner and he can do whatever he wants...we just want to know what he is going to do

and i watched the news report on TV that the fans in Manchester went to protest and burnt the paper Glazer. :p
What is the deal now? He has been at 74.whatever for the last day or two now. Has there been progress, because if hes only being left to clean up a few minor holders im wondering why it hasnt been done

Actually, i really just wanted to get the 7000th post in this thread (you manc bastards) (H) :(

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Dont front bobby: you were too late :)


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