Manchester United Thread [2007/2008]

[MiCk_10]

if that tackle by distin on gerrard or lampard...i can see the referee given the penalty to them...

 

[pede54]

Then you might be surprised to find out that Lampard has never had a penalty given in his favour, although I agree with you about Gerrard.

The thing is mate, this is now history and there is nothing you can do about it. All it will do is eat you up. Let it go because lets face it, Man U have had so many direct free kicks and penalties that they did not deserve again this season, that you look a little silly moaning about the one that you did not get.

And that article posted by Mikey in his last post, shows what a pathetic girlie Ronaldo is. If the EPL is too rough for the delicate little thing, then why not go back to a poofs league where he doesn't get his hair messed up on the pitch. He's a prima donna who thinks the world revolves around him, with an ego as big as his gob.

Its a shame that such a great player is such an immature crybaby. He makes your club a laughing stock in England.

I would be severly embarrassed to have a pussy in my club that makes these kinda noises in the media. You'll probably defend him because you think you should, but deep down everyone knows that this is just a pile of crap.

 

[Help?]

And that article posted by Mikey in his last post, shows what a pathetic girlie Ronaldo is. If the EPL is too rough for the delicate little thing, then why not go back to a poofs league where he doesn't get his hair messed up on the pitch. He's a prima donna who thinks the world revolves around him, with an ego as big as his gob.

Its a shame that such a great player is such an immature crybaby. He makes your club a laughing stock in England.

To be honest, i just fail to find anything in that article that would suggest Ronaldo is an immature crybaby? Is it the fact that he isn't happy about Distin completely tanking the **** out of him and not getting any kind of punishment for it? Or is it the part where he says that he might start playing with less skill because players don't get protected enough?

Both parts are absolutely right and i would actually like to know how you would feel if someone pulled an Eduardo on someone like Drogba or Lampard? Ronaldo is the most fouled player in the EPL, for 3-4 years we has been subject to tackles that could have easily broken his legs and many of them went unpunished, when he would go hard at somebody then it would be an immediate booking or even sending off. He got stomped into his chest this year and the guy got off unscathered like nothing happened. Is getting stomped just part of the game that all players should accept as normal? And its not just Ronaldo that's the victim, many other players have suffered as a result of potentially career-ending tackles in many different clubs with Barton leading the way in terms of attacks (even United are guilty of this, ex. Eagles).

And yet the only person i know that ever got really punished for such tackles is Roy Keane. Sure, his was 100% intentional, but that doesn't take away from the fact that we see bad tackles almost every other week and barely anything is being done, instead the FA says that they don't have the footage of the incident (which just means that they are too lazy to be bothered by this and want to go play golf already).

Ronaldo a crybaby, i beg you to differ. If anything he should be given an award for taking in all those fouls and attacks on him and still not be scared to continue with the dribbling and entertaining the crowd. Nani showed some amazing skill and talent against Arsenal a few weeks back, where in most countries people would have hailed such showing and yet in England, Nani was made as the bad guy and the fact that he entertained the crowd was bad. The crowd should have watched physical, boring, fighting game, rather than an entertaining one with all kinds of skills on show. Tell me i'm wrong.

 

[MikeyM]

And that article posted by Mikey in his last post, shows what a pathetic girlie Ronaldo is. If the EPL is too rough for the delicate little thing, then why not go back to a poofs league where he doesn't get his hair messed up on the pitch. He's a prima donna who thinks the world revolves around him, with an ego as big as his gob.

Its a shame that such a great player is such an immature crybaby. He makes your club a laughing stock in England.

I would be severly embarrassed to have a pussy in my club that makes these kinda noises in the media. You'll probably defend him because you think you should, but deep down everyone knows that this is just a pile of crap.

Personally I see your point to some extent, but we have to face up to the fact that football as a "man's game" is gone. However I can see Ronaldo's point in that an Arsenal player had his leg snapped in two just the other week (by admittedly an accident) and he's concerned that referees are just not coping with the modern game and players (particularly flair players) are at risk because of the speeds involved.

Now to be honest I'd love to see the old style of football come back when a player would get a whack and stand straight back up and then give some back in a tackle later on (but they were always "fair" challenges) at the cost of a word from the ref and a free kick.

The fact is though, football is now played by guys who are pampered from the age of 12 onwards, who have no concept of the real world and who are paid exorbitant sums of money. Just look around at how many players writhe in "agony" after a challenge only to be fine a minute later. Nani particularly annoys me in this regard - Ronaldo has had his moments too. Also though it seems that serious injury is at an all time high, maybe it's down to the ballet slippers that pass as football boots these days.

I don't want to see anyone get their leg broken, at the same time - players with sublime skills such as Ronaldo really add to our game. There has to be some kind of protection and a balance struck somewhere.

 

[Help?]

Just look around at how many players writhe in "agony" after a challenge only to be fine a minute later.

Yup, just like that Pompey player, Muntari or Diarra can't remember. Nani tapped his right foot slightly and he fell like a sack of potatoes screaming and yelling out while holding his left ankle. Everybody stopped playing and told Nani to kick the ball away, the second he kicked it away, the player got up and went back to his position like nothing happened. You could see Rooney giving Nani a talking about this shortly after the incident.

 

[farmboy]

Also though it seems that serious injury is at an all time high, maybe it's down to the ballet slippers that pass as football boots these days.

Those new vapors made of carbon fibre are a horrible idea. if it rips, you get basically fiberglass splinters only much finer and with really nasty barbs (if you have the misfortune of getting pierced by one). not pretty.

 

[mnj2x]

Its a shame that such a great player is such an immature crybaby. He makes your club a laughing stock in England.

I would be severly embarrassed to have a pussy in my club that makes these kinda noises in the media. You'll probably defend him because you think you should, but deep down everyone knows that this is just a pile of crap.

ronaldo a crybaby? If you ask me...he is the real deal. A real man with balls to actually remain in england after what happened in the world cup. He could have left england for good. But chose to stay...endure the jeers by almost the whole of england, proved those dickheads wrong with a remarkable season and bagged both the PFA player of the year and young player of the year! Courage with a capital C!

 

[pede54]

Thats not courage my friend. Thats arrogance and ego. Do not confuse the two.

I watched Robben get his leg intentionally broken at 'boro. Replays show quite clearly the intent of the challenge. This leg break changed Robben as a player forever. He became the pussy that you all now regard him as. Dodging tackles and diving away from defenders boots. Yup he lost his nerve.

So yeah, I do know what you are talking about, and it might be a good thing to look outside of only Man U, and realise that hard tackles against skillful players do exist for every club that has them. Saying that though, I do not want these special (not in my opinion), players treated any differently from any other player.

You lot talk as if Ronaldo is the first skilful player to play in England. Zola didn't have a problem with the tackling in the EPL. He relished it and he overcame it with his magnificent skills. Thats because he was a man in a mans game.

So instead of whinging like the baby he is, Ronaldo needs to adapt his game and get on with it, like many other more skillful players have done in the past. Either that or fu<k off and play where its much safer for the poor little lad.

The days of football being a physical game are not over and never will be, whatever you or your prima donna player would like to think.

 

[Help?]

So basically you are saying that he should stop dribbling or leave England.


Sorry man, but i just fail to see how you can accept the kind of tackles that are going on in EPL these days. And like i said United aren't the only victims by far.

 

[pede54]

It used to be a lot worse mate, and nobody complained like Ronaldo does.

Zola didn't stop dribbling did he? Maybe thats because Zola was a better player and a better man huh?

 

[phrase]

Who is Zola? What did he ever won? He was an old fart on his last legs with Chelsea.What makes him look so good was because he had crap players alongside him at that time.Try comparing Ronaldo with someone somewhat on par in terms of skills,speed,agility and finesse...ouh yah,a winger who can score 30 goals too.Comprende?

 

[::shinji::]

Zola didn't stop dribbling did he? Maybe thats because Zola was a better player and a better man huh?

So now we're going as far as to measure a man's worth based on how he copes with tackles in football? I believe you've officially just started talking out of your ass..

 

[b-ytter]

i think Zola was one of the best player's in the premier league at his best day's at chelsea!
anyway camparing the two would never cross my mind,two different players with very differen attitude!
when that is said i would like to point out that the tackles i have seen this season got to be some of the worst in the premier league history and there is a need to take actions to "clean "the game!
i am old enough to remember the old days before the premier league and the game was hard but so was the players!
most of the players in the league today are lightfooted players with dribblingskills and not the type of english players in the 70's and 80's so we have to accept the fact that the game change and so does the players.
i dont like the whining of nani and somtimes ronaldo but i guess the majority of players fake sometime's and i hate to see that.other times i see tackles so bad it hurts to see it on tv,and the ref's just flash there arms and tells the players to get up!
I loved the old days with hard playing fotball and hard player's but the game today is way more entertaining with fast and skillfulled player's!

 

[Zakov]

Who is Zola? What did he ever won? He was an old fart on his last legs with Chelsea.What makes him look so good was because he had crap players alongside him at that time.Try comparing Ronaldo with someone somewhat on par in terms of skills,speed,agility and finesse...ouh yah,a winger who can score 30 goals too.Comprende?

lol, was wondering when the fanboys would come out to defend their whiny little winger!! pede wasn't comparing the two's abilities, rather their ways of coping with tackles in the premier league.

And just who the hell are u mate? Being a great player doesn't mean winning plenty of trophies, Cruyff never won the world cup yet he would always be mentioned in the same bracket as Pele and Maradona.

Mentioning Zola as an old fart during his time with us is actually a compliment to him, since he was already nearly 30 when started joining us, u can say that we would've been better if he joined as a 20 year old, since he did amazing things for us at his "old" age.

I could imagine as an old fart, Zola would fare better against Ronaldo when he also becomes an old fart.

@@shinji - he said "maybe", he's not using ronaldo's whiny reaction to tackles as a way to prove a man's worth, aren't u, pede? XD
But by right its his opinion, u can just disregard his opinion rather than say that he's talking out of his arse.

This thread is getting out of hand, lets get on to real news shall we,

Apparently the FA is asking for Sir Alex and CQueiroz to write a letter to them. (Regarding u know what). At least they're not getting a touchline ban, let alone a fine.

 

[Help?]

What i love is that they have no problem dealing with managers publicly and tarnishing their reputation as trouble-makers, but for referees they never mention a thing in the media, keep it all quite and save their reputation if not boost it by making managers apologize. Total bull****, gotta love the democracy in football.

 

[1966+2006]

Who is Zola? What did he ever won? He was an old fart on his last legs with Chelsea.What makes him look so good was because he had crap players alongside him at that time.Try comparing Ronaldo with someone somewhat on par in terms of skills,speed,agility and finesse...ouh yah,a winger who can score 30 goals too.Comprende?

Zola was one of the best strikers to ever play in the Premiership you retard.
The fact that he was older makes his achievements and the way he played all the more remarkable, I always loved to watch him play and score some magnificent goals.
I do agree that referees need to protect players more in general, some go over the top with their tackles as much as other players go over the top with their diving and playacting.
I also think it would help if the FA scrapped their rule about not punishing players who have been booked when the ref perhaps didn't see how bad a tackle actually was.

 

[Fernandez]

Then you might be surprised to find out that Lampard has never had a penalty given in his favour, although I agree with you about Gerrard.

The thing is mate, this is now history and there is nothing you can do about it. All it will do is eat you up. Let it go because lets face it, Man U have had so many direct free kicks and penalties that they did not deserve again this season, that you look a little silly moaning about the one that you did not get.

And that article posted by Mikey in his last post, shows what a pathetic girlie Ronaldo is. If the EPL is too rough for the delicate little thing, then why not go back to a poofs league where he doesn't get his hair messed up on the pitch. He's a prima donna who thinks the world revolves around him, with an ego as big as his gob.

Its a shame that such a great player is such an immature crybaby. He makes your club a laughing stock in England.

I would be severly embarrassed to have a pussy in my club that makes these kinda noises in the media. You'll probably defend him because you think you should, but deep down everyone knows that this is just a pile of crap.

If you think that tackles like Joe Cole's on Ronaldo are alright, then I hope someone like Rooney or Vidic breaks his legs at Stamford Bridge. Then we'll see who will moan.

 

[adedawson]

we were talking about this very thing last week.

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145586&page=137

I totally agree that the diving etc needs to be put to a stop and Ronaldo but more particularly at the moment Nani can be the complete drama queen. Ronaldo sort of grown away from it in recent years like Drogba. Its all ******* embarrassing if your asking me.

But... Each of those players and anyone in the league needs to be protected from horrible fouls no matter who they are. Ronaldo getting knocked around is part of the game, it happens too all great players.

Look at pele, best etc some games they had the crap kicked out of them as players couldn't stop them it being important to get them out/locked from the game was/is important.

Every team does it. Every team has a player regarded as a threat to the other. Ferdinand and vidic for example put hard tackles in. I'm sure a lot of them have been dangerous and I'm sure there will be more too come. The game would be such a sissy fess if every tackle a player makes there having to double check the move. Perhaps would cause even worse injuries with hesitation causing miss timing.

I think they could a put all this to a end with video refs. Easy to decide if someone's diving for example or someone's been abused, did a ball cross the line etc. At the end of the day, injuries of Eduardo nature are not common place and never will be. I don't feel the game needs any great change but it would be stupid not to put to use the technology we have today and update some rules.

As for Ronaldo and the cry baby comment give the guy a break, I'm sure if I was in ronaldo's shoes and felt I was getting knocked around a lot I'd voice my concerns especially after what happened to eduardo. Its human nature too object to things especially things you fear (bone crunching tackles). Where would we be today if we took **** from everyone. But at the same time there are limits and hate over exaduration if players are that bothered perhaps they should go play netball.

 

[Help?]

When you are 22, regarded as the best player in the world and other players publicly state that they are out to hurt you, yeah you are not gonna sit back and laugh it off. Bad tackles happen to almost everybody, but with Ronaldo its much higher than the typical average. Calling Ronaldo a crybaby is nothing more than ignorant. Case closed, move on.

 

[Zakov]

If you think that tackles like Joe Cole's on Ronaldo are alright, then I hope someone like Rooney or Vidic breaks his legs at Stamford Bridge. Then we'll see who will moan.

By saying that, I just lost every ounce of respect I had for you, I myself condemn people breaking other people's leg.
and how the fook did this get to Joe Cole?

Liverpool got thru, must've pissed the hell out of ya Mancs.