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matrix revolution (WARNING: Spoilers)

rahulmvora

Senior Squad
no hakeem , i dont think Neo dies . after everyone explodes and when Neo returns to its normal world , the machine says to Neo something like"the job is done " or something like that .Oracle and others were returned back to normal so if Neo would have died in the Matrix then everybody would have died . so i dont think he dies in the movie and i thought that the machine shown in the last few seconds was to send him back to Zion (but i maybe wrong though) ...
 

m3th0d

Starting XI
i think they should make a MATRIX FOR DUMMIES book.. :crazyboy: cuz yeh, i didn't really get the ending either. :confused:
 
C

Callan

Guest
OK people, here are things that could have happened.

Oracle talks about having oppisites to everything, She is the oppisite to the architect... he balances things, she unbalances things, the french man is all about the past events of the matrix, she can tell all about the future..... possibly, Neo is + and smith is -, if this is true, once one dies in the matrix the other dies, they both cancel each other out....

What I think has happened is that.... remember the first movie? Where Neo kills Smith? He flys into his body.... the same thing has happened, Neo allows Smith to take over his body, however he is still in controll of his mind, thats why he smiles and nods when the 'oracle smith' asks if it is over..... and he doesnt say anything because every other time Smith takes over somebody they say something, neo is different.... anyway after he nods he breaks up Smith from the inside like he does in the Matrix one...and the Machines Carlos him out of the matrix and tell him that it is over and Neo is possibly in the coma again.... or maybe he is dead I am not sure I still have to think about this to make a decision. But anyway, once Neo destroys the real smith from the inside out all the others die and go back to the people that they already are.

Once this happens the sorce code for the matrix is handed over by the one... the peace is made and the Matrix is 'reloaded' and started again.

It is different because every other time the one has just taken the other door from the architects tv room and saved Zion by letting the machines destroy it then choosing 23 people to rebuild it. This time, Neo takes the other door, knowing that he has something else to do he creates a peace in the real world between the machines and the humans.

At the end of the movie, the oracle says that they will see Neo again, this is possibly saying that he is not dead and the machines are taking him back to Zion.

The architect is going to free the minds that only want to be free.

The little girl I believe has something to do with beauty... once Smith took her over the skys went grey and it rained.... But then that doesn't really explain why she is up for deletion and in the train station.

Neo wakes up in the train station... possibly because he cannot die in the real world. At the end of reloaded he dies.... but doesnt... he goes into a coma and wakes up in the trainstation... then they free him from there and he enters the matrix again. But that is just a theory, I am unsure if it is true.... I cannot really think of much more to explain it, it doesnt make sense how he gets there in the first place, he just 'wakes up' there....

I liked the movie.... I thought the action sences were good, but the Machine war went on for too long and was getting boring. Personally, I would have liked to see more scenes in the Matrix and not the Real World, like the first Matrix.

I think the first Matrix takes the cake, the second and third I am still deciding on which is better... but the first is definatly the best.

Well that is my outlook on it. Hope you enjoy. :)

See the movie! :D
 

Paul

Fan Favourite
oooooooooooooooooooh


:D

I'm waiting to rush blow on over so I can watch it in an empty cinema :) (H)
 

Hakeem

Superman
Originally posted by rahulmvora
no hakeem , i dont think Neo dies . after everyone explodes and when Neo returns to its normal world , the machine says to Neo something like"the job is done " or something like that .Oracle and others were returned back to normal so if Neo would have died in the Matrix then everybody would have died . so i dont think he dies in the movie and i thought that the machine shown in the last few seconds was to send him back to Zion (but i maybe wrong though) ...

one of the reasons I think neo dies, is because he's supposed to, as has happens with all the other "ones" while trying to save zion. just like the architech explained in reloaded.
and also, Trinity died, and she cant come back to life, so I dont think they made the story end with neo alive and trinity dead.


and what I understand from the oracle-little girl talk about 'seeing neo again' is because, again as explained by the architech in reloaded, every 6 years I think it was, everything is gonna happen again. the peace will end, there's gonna be a war, the machines will win, 23 people will be chosen to rebuild zion again, and we'll have "a new Neo", etc, everything again. so I guess thats the neo she talks about.



callan's explanation of why Neo lets smith take him over and why they explode could be true, but still lets me unsure.
we gotta get the wachoskies to come to SG and explain it to us :p
 

DeadManInc2709

Youth Team
Originally posted by Hakeem
callan's explanation of why Neo lets smith take him over and why they explode could be true, but still lets me unsure.
we gotta get the wachoskies to come to SG and explain it to us :p

Well this is my theory: Remember what little girl's parents said at the train station, that when a program has no purpose, it is deleted. Smith's purpose was to take over everyone in the matrix. Neo was the last one, so neo knew that if smith took him over, then the program smith would be deleted. So he sacrificed himself. That make sense. What do you guys think?

But I still have no idea if his still alive?
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
Neo didn't sacrifice himself. If you remember in the 1st Matrix, he wen't inside Smith also destroyed him.

I think Neo is still alive and that the machines will take him back to Zion.
 
C

Callan

Guest
Originally posted by Hakeem
one of the reasons I think neo dies, is because he's supposed to, as has happens with all the other "ones" while trying to save zion. just like the architech explained in reloaded.
and also, Trinity died, and she cant come back to life, so I dont think they made the story end with neo alive and trinity dead.


and what I understand from the oracle-little girl talk about 'seeing neo again' is because, again as explained by the architech in reloaded, every 6 years I think it was, everything is gonna happen again. the peace will end, there's gonna be a war, the machines will win, 23 people will be chosen to rebuild zion again, and we'll have "a new Neo", etc, everything again. so I guess thats the neo she talks about.

But all the other ones didn't take the door that Neo took in Reloaded, they took the other door, which lead them to the source code, which in time lead to the destruction of Zion and the ones selection of 23 other individuals to rebuild the human city.

Neo takes the other door, saves trinity and then has to walk all the way to the machine city, then he calls a peace between the Machines and the Humans.... in order for him to destroy the program Smith. This hasn't been done before by any previous one... that is why the architect says "how long do you think the peace will last?" to the oracle at the end of the movie.... it hasn't been done before... if it had been done before he would have said something like "the peace will only last a certain amount of time before the machines start to attack again"


Also here is another theory of the Smith v Neo battle:

Neo and smith are both numbers... unballanced equations..... Neo is obviously 1 and smith is -1 (his oppisite as explained by the oracle) And the oracle has created Smith, thats why he calls her mum in the movie, because she created him as an oppisite to Neo.

Neo realizes that only he can destroy Smith, he knows that once a program has no purpose it is deleted, and Smiths purpose is to destroy everything in the Matrix, however if a program is set for deletion, I believe that is the job of an agent, so that means that Smith can only be destroyed by Neo and no-one else.

Neo knows, that if the two become one, that means 1 + -1 = 0.0 = a balanced equation. Neo lets smith take him over, the matrix becomes balanced out, smith has no purpose anymore, he has completed what he has to do.... copy himself to everything in the matrix.... so he dies.

But I do not like this theory, because Neo tells the machines that once Smith has taken over the Matrix he will begin to spread into the Machine world, thats why the Machines make the deal with Neo about peace, because they know that once Neo destroys Smith he would have saved the Matrix and the Machine world also.

Here is another theory:

Neo gets taken over by smith on purpose, the machines realise the code and delete the virus (that would explain the sudden burst of energy from the machines into neo when he is taken over)

I also do not like this theory because Neo says that he is the only one that can stop smith, the machines cannot do that... unless he is talking about he being like a link between the two worlds, and the machines can use him to get into the matrix because he is the last remaining Human that can plug into the matrix and match up to smith.... but i still dont belive this theory it contradics the story about the 'one'

I will still go with the theory I had before... Neo let smith take him over, he needed that extra push by the machines to give him the powere to destroy smith from the inside out like he did in the original and the best.. 'The Matrix' And once the original smith is destroyed, they all are. :)

I have a theory on the little girl.... she is Mother Nature. :)

Every movie... when in the matrix, is very dull, has a green tone in it.... at the end of the Matrix 3 the scene is different. It is a lot more natural and beautiful. It looks great. :)

little girl = mother nature. :)
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
 

Fotbalguy

Senior Squad
That machine battle part was soooooo long. It got really boring.... Kinda disappointing for the the final movie.... I expected much better.
 

rony31

Team Captain
this movie was so sh*t it was unbelievable :kader: they extended EVERYTHING to make it twice as long

every part sucked ass (including the big Zion vs Machines part) except for the last fight with Neo and Agent Smith (loved the way all the Agent Smiths were just standing there, and there were like a million of them)

all in all, whole movie: 1/10, final fight scene: 9/10

my advice is to just sneak in for the last 20 minutes or so :rolleyes:

what a waste of $7.50
 
i thought it was good :rolleyes:

it isnt that complicated really - - smith died because neo was gone and there was no longer a reason for his existence..... and in the matrix a program with no purpose is erased ;)
 

Hakeem

Superman
I liked the neo giving himself to smith so smith gets deleted theory. Im going with that one.

I still think that neo dies cuz trinity died andshe cant come back to like any way and it be horrible for neo to live without her
 

Paul

Fan Favourite
havent seen the movie yet, but:

it appears that Neo's existance is because of:

a) Agent Smith
b) Trinity

Despite all that, how do we know they're not still in the matrix... and they/we/whoever is being made to think there is not another? (H)

:p
 

JTNY

Starting XI
You people are writing ridiculous amounts about a movie which is not real. I saw it today an I read most of this thread so I can get what happened because I am not good at getting film plots. I liked it.
 

Budge

Starting XI
nah i found it funny, his face went all ****ed up

there are a coupla good lines in the movie....

'like what ive done with the place' smith in the street

'i think u will have to drive' neo after bein blinded

theres one more but i forgot:crazyboy:
 

Elder

Starting XI
Saw the movie yesterday and have mixed feelings on it.

I really wish they would have kept things simple like the first movie. Not that the movie was a simple omvie, but it was so revolutionary. I just couldn't get into the "defending" of Zion part.. Somehow it was just silly as hell. It looked like millions of those machines were coming in there, yet one kid with his robot thing finds a way to get past all of them flying over his head to open the door. I know it's just a movie, but man.. That kind of stuff isn't what made the first movie so great.

The original movie pioneered new technology that everyone seems ot be using now. The slow motion, the walking on walls, the bad ass leather cladded Trinity.. At the end it just seemed forgotten, or maybe not so special anymore. In the second movie they overdid it. I saw something on the preview before the movie saying that the first Matrix had 500 or so digital effects, while the next movies had over 2000. That is a problem in my view.

What was good. When Trinity died, it actually felt like she and Neo had something. I think they had very good on screen chemistry.

Flat out, I am going to miss Trinity. She is this generations Princess Leia (however you spell that) in my book. I don't think another bad ass female character will come along like her in a looong time. Jada Pinket and her tought girl attitude just doesn't cut it.

What happened to Morpheous? He seemed to get demoted as the trilogy went on. I didn't care about the council that much, or the commander who was defending Zion and always pissed off. Smith was great as always, but I cracked up when he did the horror movie laugh. Like from Austin Powers.

Somehow, the makers of this triogy really blew it. They had something special at the beginning. Some new, something fresh.. I think that money and Hollywood executives clouded their minds. Especially when you ee "Matrix" cups at like McDonalds and ****.

Oh well, Return of the King comes out next month. There is no way that will be a disapointment.
 

cchow32

Youth Team
Originally posted by rony31
this movie was so sh*t it was unbelievable :kader: they extended EVERYTHING to make it twice as long

every part sucked ass (including the big Zion vs Machines part) except for the last fight with Neo and Agent Smith (loved the way all the Agent Smiths were just standing there, and there were like a million of them)

all in all, whole movie: 1/10, final fight scene: 9/10

my advice is to just sneak in for the last 20 minutes or so :rolleyes:

what a waste of $7.50


I think if they made it any shorter than 2 hours fans would've complained that it was too short. However I do agree with you about the movie being stretched out too long. Too much emphasis on special effects that really aren't that cool anymore. Plus I dun like the fact that Neo is invincible. Its just boring to know that he's gonna win every time, but I guess that can't be helped.

My theory on Neo in the end is that he is being returned to the source by the machines so they can reset the Matrix, cuz if not, the Matrix will crash and all the human beings plugged into it will die, just as the architect said. You see the Matrix changing everything in the end, undoing the destruction of Smith. When the oracle saids that they might see Neo again someday, I think she meant the next time an anomaly appears in the Matrix (the one)

There are still some things I dun understand though..like how Neo is able to extend his powers into the real world. Is that just something "The One" can do? Did the previous anomalies know they can do this? Did they use it? etc.

Some other things I found funny/didn't make sense

How Smith claimed he thought the Matrix was a zoo and feeling disgusted by it in the first one and then claiming its HIS world in the third one.

How is the architect going to tell the humans plugged into the Matrix that they have a choice of getting unplugged? tell them the truth or what?

The fact that Trinity takes sooooo F***ing long to die. A girl sitting next to me was CRYING. OMG

How the kid goes screaming in the end like hes some god-damned hero when he didn't do Carlos ****.

The Captain and his war cries when he's fightin the sentinels in that APU

Sentinel nicknames: Squidies, Calamari....seems like all the machines are modelled after insects........symbolizing that they are a hive mind under AI?
 


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