MESSAGE FOR ITALY82 AND ALL YOU OTHER ITALY FANS THIS IS THE REASON LEAGUE ANIT CRAP

[Juninhio]

Im sick and tired of all your crying about penalty shoot outs.
First of all in 94 thank god for the Italians that there was a penalty shoot out if there wasnt god knows we would have seen Baresi having a heart attack or stroke with Romario running circles on him.

Next yeah you bring up Baggio and Rossi gee I wonder if people think Zico and Rivaldo are better.
Lets see Zico like Cryuff never won a world trophy but is forever imortalized around the world.

Next why reward a team that plays solely on the defensive stance?? You desevered to lose in 98 in 94 in 90. God willing you will lose ever time you try some crap like having 5 defenders and 5 midfielders and no strikers.

The only reason Italy has a good league is because of each teams best player is a foreigner. Except for inter that has Vieri -who is number 2 to Ronaldo when fully healthy no Italian player on a MAJOR team is the number one guy. By the way Inzaghi and Del Piero are not at the same level of Zidane.

So here is a hint if Italy is ever going to actually win lose the catacannio and dont think your going to win by passing the ball around in your own half for 120 minutes. Because if your entire team is full of chokers when it matters oh well better for the Brazilians.

By the way 1970 Brasil 4 Italy 1
Greatest offensive explosion ever. The greatest team ever.

 

[Italy82]

Brazil did deserve to win in '74 ,but not in 94.2nd they never used 5 defensemens .They usually put4-4-2 .Recently it was change to 3-4-3.

 

[Juninhio]

First of all it was in 1970 - the greatest world cup ever.

Second in 1994 and 1998 they used 5 men at the back.

Zoff and his counter parts only do ambitious "Brasilian" attacking 3-4-3 or 4-4-2 with wing backs only against weaker nations.

Look at the world cup 98. Against France when ever the Italians touched the ball what did they do?? Keep it in their own end.

They played with one attacker Vieri.

And put del piero - later baggio in midfield.

Same in 94. Massaro the only striker 5 at the back and they put roberto baggio in midfield.

So if they dont attack and go for the penalty shootout they deserve to lose especially to Brazil which always makes it a point to continuiously attack.

 

[Italy82]

If Brazil couldnt score against Italy ,it meant Brazil had a weak offense or Italy had a better defense .And the thing about France is bull ,cause in Extra time ,Italy was attacking and incase you did not see Baggio almost scored in extra time ,France dominated Italy in the first 2 halfs,but Italy were dominating them in extra time.

 

[Juninhio]

Actually Italy82 you should do a little research. In 1994 Brasil was voted as the team that had the best DEFENSE!

They let in 3 goals all tournement. 2 against Netherlands and 1 against Sweden.

In addition it is quite obvious that Italian Clubs need to rely on South American talent to help their clubs.

Just look at Lazio they are ready to sell Nesta - Italy's best defender just to get Rivaldo - who is quite frankly better than any Italian player in the last 10 years.

 

[PolishPower]

Italy deserved to lose both in 94 and 98 because of the stupid coaching decisions.

94: no Signori in the final, the one player who might have actually made some good runs vs the Brasil defense, he never even gets in the game as a sub!

98: they dont start their best player, R. Baggio, and when they finally bring him in as sub he has the best chance of the game!

Italy is so conservative when they play away its disgusting considering their talent, what about their defensive tactics vs Poland and Georgia in away games in WC 98 qualifiers? Its a mystery that Italy cant find a coach who would trust his players to go out and kill the opposition.

 

[Cecco]

I agree with what Polishpower said,
regarding Nesta, you surely don't believe that Cragnotti will sell him? Keep dreaming, Nesta will never wear another teams colors! Trust me on that one.
Juninhio, I truly believe that you're f***ed in the head, if you think Brazil is great, good for you, I believe that Italy isn't the best team in the world but with the right coach they can be.
As far as Brazils defensive qualities, well please, don't make me laugh.

And one more thing **** for brains...
do you remember WC82?
I rest my case!

 

[edu]

what about 82?

do you mean when attractive football (Brasil) lost to butt ugly defensive football (u know who).

Thats what you get when you try to put on a show.

"Zico, Socrates, Falcao and Eder could not stop attacking and Brazil paid for it when they lost 3-2 to a Paolo Rossi hat-trick"

CECCO DO You remember Mexico70?

4:1

 

[Italy82]

Its weird but the 82 italian team was the most offensive team that they ever had ,with Paolo Rossi scoring all their goals through out the World Cup.Another thing that was funny is that no one ever tought they would win that year cause they played in the same group as Germany and Argentina.I guess Zoff and Rossi showed them whos better.And Paolo Rossi showed to those Brazilians by scoring a hat trick .That win was in revenge for their loss in wc'70.

 

[edu]

"that team was the most offensive team that they ever had"

You mean the most offensive by Italian standards right?

 

[Italy82]

You are wrong again,look at Juventus they have a strong defence when u look at guys like Ferrara ,Pessotto,Iuliano or even Parmas Cannavaro,Thuram,Bennarivo or even Milan's Maldini,Costacurta,Sala .First of all the reason that Lazio want to give up Nesta is cause they have already talented defensemen (Mihailovic,Pancaro,Couto,Favalli,all of them play with their national teams)

 

[Juninhio]

I totally agree with you edu. Italian standards of beautiful football is with 4 defensive defenders 2 defensive midfielders a support striker and maybe one attacking midfielder and a striker.

Every 20 or so years hey, they get lucky (Italy 3 Brazil 2)

Gee, I wonder who is better Pablo Rossi or Zico??
Just like saying i wonder who is better Johan Cryuff or Daniel Passarella??
It must be Passarella right Italy82, I mean he beat them and won the world cup right!!!

Check out the World Soccer century of Soccer Readers poll:

Zico 390 votes Rossi 104

 

[PolishPower]

Italy 82: 12 goals in 7 games, with 3 goals in the final.

Brasil 94: 11 goals in 7 games, 0 goals in the final.

How can you knock that game? yeah Italy was so defensive they scored after 5 minutes! It was a great game, and the final was great too, Italy was unstoppable...

 

[Juninhio]

hmm, why not compare against Brazil in 62 or 58 or 70??

By the way polish, whos better zico or rossi.

 

[PolishPower]

How could you pick, they were both great, but you have to admit Rossi was a bigger surprise star at WC 82.

 

[Juninhio]

kind of when a mother says she likes both her kids the same, but deep down she knows which is better.

Well im not afraid to say Zico was superior even without a world cup.

Arnt all you Italian fans relieved that 1994 ended in a penalty shootout???
I mean, what if the match were sudden death.
I think some azzuri would have died. They are not used to the 30+ degree cel heat and running all afternoon in the sun is a stroll in the park for the Brasilian national team.
Thank god no one in the Italian defense died that day. That would seriously be shame no one deserves such fate.

 

[Italy82]

First of all 94 ,we had player who could of enduered the the temperature(They are used to it anyways).The reason why Rossi got less vote than Zico is cause he just performed well during the 2 world cups that he had played,he didnt do much in the seasons though.What rank is Dino Zoff ,im sure hes way ahead of Zico,if hes not then the World Soccer century of Soccer Readers is a sham.

 

[Cecco]

Edu and Juninhio, I think that you both can't take the fact that we kicked Brazil's ass in 82, something that you can't say about Brazil in 94. You must go back 30 years to find out the last time Brazil kicked Italy's ass.
Sorry dickheads but it seems that even in this debate Italy is kicking Brazils ass.

2-1 for us....losers

 

[Juninhio]

Go back 30 years?? Hey genius, 1994 isnt 30 years ago.

I admit that Brasil lost in 1982. Unfortunately I also admit Rossi was better than Zico in that tournement. But you should also admit that without a doubt comparing careers Zico is much superior to anyone on that Italian Squad.

Im just curious was 1982 - 17 years ago - the last time Italy won a tournement of any kind?? Can any of you tell me??

How did they do in Euro 1996?? My god, really?? And in 1998, no way just like in 1994- but surely they won in 1990 I mean the tournement was in their own country right?? What do you mean!

 

[Italy82]

in my almanach 96,it says Italy faced Brazil 11 times in history(including friendly games) .4 wins for Italy ,4 wins for Brazil
3 ties.I dont see how Brazil ever dominated Italy.Junihnio ,face the face the fact ,Brazil did not beat Italy in 94.They just beat them in penalty kicks and not on 11 on 11 ,it proves that they cant beat them .Wc'70,Brazil did deseve to win against Italy and Italy did prove they were a better team then Brazil in 82.But Brazil didnt prove anything by winning in 94.