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Middle East war

The_Knight

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REVEALING NEWS
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/745185.html

No Rocket Launches from Qana
B17245 / Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:18:32 / "War on Terror"

It now appears that the military had no information on rockets launched from the site of the building, or the presence of Hezbollah men at the time

The Israel Defense Forces had said after the deadly air-strike that many rockets had been launched from Qana. However, it changed its version on Monday.

The site was included in an IAF plan to strike at several buildings in proximity to a previous launching site. Similar strikes were carried out in the past. However, there were no rocket launches from Qana on the day of the strike.

And from eye-witnesses in Qana

Red Cross workers and residents of Qana, where Israeli bombing killed at least 60 civilians, have told IPS that no Hezbollah rockets were launched from the city before the Israeli air strike.

The Israeli military has said it bombed the building in which several people had taken shelter, more than half of them children, because the Army had faced rocket fire from Qana. The Israeli military has said that Hezbollah was therefore responsible for the deaths.

"There were no Hezbollah rockets fired from here," 32-year-old Ali Abdel told IPS. "Anyone in this village will tell you this, because it is the truth."

Abdel had taken shelter in a nearby house when the shelter was bombed at 1 am. When the bombings finally let up in the morning, he went back to the bombed shelter to search for relatives.

He found his 70-year-old father and 64-year-old mother both dead inside.

"They bombed it, and afterwards I heard the screams of women, children, and a few men -- they were crying for help. But then one minute after the first bomb, another bomb struck, and after this there was nothing but silence, and the sound of more bombs around the village."

Masen Hashen, a 30-year-old construction worker from Qana who lost several family members in the air strike on the shelter, said there were no Hezbollah rockets fired from his village. "Because if they had done that now, or in the past, all of us would have left. Because we know we would be bombed."

Qana had been a shelter because no rockets were being fired from there, survivors said. "When Hezbollah fires their rockets, everyone runs away because they know an Israeli bombardment will come soon," Abdel said. "That is why everyone stayed in the shelter and nearby homes, because we all thought we'd be all right since there were no Hezbollah fighters in Qana."

Lebanese Red Cross workers in the nearby coastal city of Tyre told IPS that there was no basis for Israeli claims that Hezbollah had launched rockets from Qana.

"We found no evidence of Hezbollah fighters in Qana," Kassem Shaulan, a 28-year-old medic and training manager for the Red Cross in Tyre told IPS at their headquarters. "When we rescue people or recover bodies from villages, we usually see rocket launchers or Hezbollah fighters if they are there, but in Qana I can say that the village was 100 percent clear of either of those."

Another Red Cross worker, 32-year-old Mohammad Zatar, told IPS that "we can tell when Hezbollah has been firing rockets from certain areas, because all of the people run away, on foot if they have to."

Sounds a lot like the first Qana incident in 1996, which was another case where Israel provided what also proved to be materially false assertions and statements, on a strike that similarly killed many innocent children, at that time who were under the protection of a U.N. compound. More than a 100 were killed that day.
 

rhizome17

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The_Knight said:

And with that map we can see a part of the bigger picture... for example, why certain countries remained silent after the violent government clampdowns on 'dissent' in Uzbekistan (to the extent that the British government fired their own ambassador to the country after he highlighted the plight of the people who were boiled to death by government forces there) AND why Russia was allowed a free hand in Chechnya - quid pro quo. Thats the pipeline I was banging on about way back when Afghanistan was attacked ostensibly to remove the Taliban and 'bring Bin Laden to justice'.
 
rhizome17 said:
Thats the pipeline I was banging on about way back when Afghanistan was attacked ostensibly to remove the Taliban and 'bring Bin Laden to justice'.

Yeah I remember you mentioning that.. ah, and that must also be why the US is being so friendly with Musharraf who came to power by overthrowing a democratic government (even though spreading democracy is one of the big arguements to justify the Iraq mess). Big picture indeed..
 

The_Knight

Senior Squad
An Insider's prespective

Stressed out and anxious in Beirut
By Hugh Sykes
BBC News, Beirut


People keep asking me, "Do you know when it will stop?"

I shrug my shoulders, and say: "Your guess is as good as mine."

Then they ask: "But Beirut - will they bomb Beirut again?"

"What would be the point?" I reply.

Then they bombed Beirut again.

Dozens of displaced children living in a school in a quiet neighbourhood near the city centre heard terrifying loud bangs in the middle of the night.

Four massive thumps one night, and six the next, as Israeli bombs or shells slammed into the ground a few kilometres away.

Or into the children's homes.

Their families fled with them from their apartments in the suburbs, before the first Israeli attacks in mid-July.

Most have not been back since. They hope and pray their flats are waiting for them to return - silent and gathering dust, but intact.

'Miscalculation'

People keep saying to me, "We are not Hezbollah - why are they bombing our homes?"


There are few who find the Israeli bombardment understandable

The Israelis say that these renewed attacks on Beirut are justified because they are targeting Hezbollah. But for the hundreds of thousands of people in this city who don't support Hezbollah it feels like collective punishment.

Hezbollah's primitive, unguided Katyusha rockets hit civilians too - although far fewer have died in Israel than have been killed in Lebanon by the massive Israeli munitions.

Many Lebanese readily agree that Hezbollah gravely miscalculated when they captured those two Israeli soldiers on 12 July - but now they go on to say: "We were never Hezbollah. But we are all Hezbollah now. The Israeli response is completely unjustified."

I have met some who curse Hezbollah, and who say the Israeli bombardment is understandable. Some, but not many.

And I don't think "But we are all Hezbollah now" is just talk. The more Israel destroys, the more supporters Hezbollah will be able to recruit.

'This is terrorism'

There is a widespread and deeply felt sense of grievance here that the majority of Lebanese are suffering for the continued existence of the military wing of Hezbollah - something their weak government was not in a position to do much about.

Uncertainty - and incomprehension that any of this is happening - is eroding energy here, and wearing people down.

Beirut streets are power-cut dark at night. Shops close early. Cafes and restaurants are struggling to survive, often serving barely one tenth of the usual number of customers.

Taxis apologise in advance in case they run out of petrol before they reach your destination.

And faces grow taut with exhaustion at the stress, and the fear of explosions.

Smoking hubble-bubble at a cafe one evening, I heard the sound of a fighter-bomber overhead.

A young man at the next table leaned over to me, gestured in the direction of the menacing rumble, and said: "This - this also is terrorism!"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5248500.stm
 
Yossarian said:
Wow...........His kind aren't given a milli-second of air time here in North America.


Very refreshing, it is.

f*ckin' right, even on the most liberal of networks around here this guy wouldn't have been given so much as 10 seconds of air time. Or he'd be labeled a terrorist sympathizer simply for having a realistic view of the world, remember what happened to Bill Maher, Howard Stern? As soon as they openly uttered a true yet unpopular opinion to the masses (unpopular with the government, and conservatives that is) they got muzzled.
 
Except for the actuality that this Galloway guy is speaking from a perspective based on known facts. While Anne Coulter is a complete ignoramus who can't even be taken seriously. She's been quoted as saying she believes we can end terrorism by simply invading Muslim countries and forcing them to convert to Christianity..
 

rhizome17

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::shinji:: said:
Except for the actuality that this Galloway guy is speaking from a perspective based on known facts. While Anne Coulter is a complete ignoramus who can't even be taken seriously. She's been quoted as saying she believes we can end terrorism by simply invading Muslim countries and forcing them to convert to Christianity..

The interesting thing being that many of the Zionist fundamentalist chrisitans in the US who openly support Israel and the Republican Party (financially as well) believe that the Bible predicts a future war between Israel and 'the forces of the Devil) where 2/3rds of the Jews will be wiped out, and the third who are left will convert to Chrisitanity. :kader:
 

Aleex

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Life Ban
Jambo Den said:
Galloway is a commie tosser. I'm embarassed he's from within 100 miles of me.

why would you say this? Could you explain for me? Cause I think he speacks unbiased truth...

will wait for you reply, mate :ewan:
 

RobbieD_PL

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Isn't Galloway a multi-talented pianst? In the point that he can play many keyboards simultaneously. Oh, and he can stick a stick of C4 up his crack. :fool: :ewan:
 

Jambo Den

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Aleex said:
why would you say this? Could you explain for me? Cause I think he speacks unbiased truth...

will wait for you reply, mate :ewan:


Look, I know all about George Galloway and his many dodgy acts.

The man said it would be 'morally justifiable' for a suicide bomber to kill Tony Blair. Unlike most of you, I've lost friends and family as a result of terrorism. It's not nice.

If you didn't notice in the interview, he loves the sound of his own voice. He is very much an egomaniac and loves enforcing his disgusting support for Jihad/Stalinist ideals on everyone.

He has been involved in charities where money has mysteriously 'gone missing'.

He lied under oath in the US Senate when he vociferously denied any allegations he received any oil allocations from Saddam Hussein's reign in Iraq. It's been reported he set up a leukaemia-based charity to transfer these barrels of oil.

And to top it all off, he went in the Big Brother house here, pretended to be a cat and played chirades in a spandex suit with a flat out weirdo. Don't believe me?




Now I realise that most people on here hate America and the Big Bad West no matter what. Nothing will most likely change that as you'll read all the same questionable news sources (who seem very, very good at making the West feel very bad/guilty no matter its course of action) and continue to vilify America regardless of what it does. But trust me, Galloway is a sorry waste of sperm.
 

Aleex

Banned [Multiple Accounts]
Life Ban
Jambo, thank you for taking the time and expanding on George Galloway. I really appreciate it. I see you point now.
 


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