Most Underrated (or Overrated) Team?

[theworldgame]

moron - olympics not second

Euro is second - olympics is U/23 - means nothing, although Cameroon (2000 champions) are a good side

just get facts right

south american competition also more prestigious than olympics as proper sides there - most olympic squads are nothing like the best team - only a couple older players can be brought in, and many nations choose not to bring in overage players

 

[bennismalls]

Originally posted by theworldgame
african football is still miles ahead of CONCACAF

mexico still has some top players, and the US have a couple

but countries such as senegal, cameroon, south-africa and nigeria have greater depth and better top players

which US players can rival diouf, eto'o, okocha, martins, and more - only one from each mentioned - but many more playing in spain, italy, germany, england, france, holland

USA is nowhere near these nations in terms of footballing talent

okocha is an old bugger now douif is good martins still has a long way to go eto is overrated besides look how many ppl they have in europe and they still find it hard to compete espescially austrailia, the us squad have mostly home based players and the still make it far

 

[bennismalls]

read the second paragraph on this link

i told u it wasnt full strength. if im not mistaken jenas , amd lampard started and wasnt that lampards 1st or one of his first caps just asking

im not trying to argue for arguing sake but i dnt like whne ppl say us soccer sux but dont have proof a mexican fan said it that we are gettig better and better so if we suck or we are not good we beat portugal and they have for stars we should have at least 3.5 exactly

 

[LucianoJJ]

new team ratings

Maybe EA needs to rate teams 1 through 100. The NBA Live 2004 teams are rated that way. Since there are hundreds of teams in FIFA 1-100 is better than 1 through 5.

 

[bennismalls]

thats a great point like they should do
offense90/100
defense95-100
speed-100/100
power-100/100
and so on wouldnt that be better
or like winning eleven they should make edit player so if u fell jared borgetti is underrated u can fix him p of course some ppl would make everyone on his or her team 100 outta 100 in every stat column

 

[bennismalls]

hey UxSxAxfooty where are u when i need a point to be made

 

[Broadside]

Ben, the team was near world cup strength, the younger subs were brought on at half time but the match was pretty much decided by then

if you look at the England line up that started on the pitch it was pretty impressive and Australia was 2-0 before the younger subs were brought into play

what exactly does that have to do with US soccer anyway? not sure why you're concerning yourself

 

[bennismalls]

i have already stopped but since u started again post the line ups i was trying that australia arent good but anyteam that qualifies for thw world cup or even better the round of 16 are world class comment on lucino jj and my idea

 

[swezwakov]

But even if EA decided to give everyone a rating of 1 to 100, they would STILL be off... for anyone who has played Madden, you know exactly what I'm talking about - when you start a new franchise, the lowest rated team is about an 80 overall, and the highest rated is maybe an 86 or 87. Therefore, I've seen teams like the Cinncinatti Bengals win the Super Bowl in the first year, while a team like the Patriots, Eagles, and Cowboys all finish with 4 wins. Very unlikely scenarios.

Its kind of like they were trying to be too kind to each team...

So even on a ratings scale of 1 to 100, they won't satisfy everyone. No one will ever be happy with the ratings, in reality. If the U.S. WAS rated 3.5 stars, then people would complain they're overrated. They can't make anyone happy, but they've really tried their best. That's just my final opinion on the matter.

 

[theworldgame]

okocha too old?
martins still long way to go?
eto'o overrated?

come on - i am australian, and i reckon these 3 african guys would beat everyone in australia and especially USA

i'm just trying to point out the gap in standard between African nations and USA - seeing some Americans like UxSxAxFooty seems to think that the little confederation they belong to is more worthy of respect than Africa

US players don't compare and the only reason they went alright at the world cup was because all the top nation's players were buggered after a long season, something MLS players wouldn't know about

 

[#1 Stunna]

Originally posted by bennismalls
thats a great point like they should do
offense90/100
defense95-100
speed-100/100
power-100/100
and so on wouldnt that be better
or like winning eleven they should make edit player so if u fell jared borgetti is underrated u can fix him p of course some ppl would make everyone on his or her team 100 outta 100 in every stat column

that would be a good idea...since for example i do feel Jared Borgetti is underrated.

 

[Alex]

The whole Aussie National team is under-rated AND under-researched...

Craig Moore is possible the Scottish Premier Leagues best CB, and he isnt even put in the Australian starting side, when he is ALWAYS a starter...AND he is drastically under-rated...

Lucas Neill is another under-rated, and he is wrongly placed at CB in Blackburn, instead of RB....These are silly mistakes that just shouldnt be made...

 

[Alex]

theworldgame and Broadside...I am a bit embarrased about the way that you're bagging the USA....They are DEFINITELY under rated in the game, as are Australia...

As for the african nations being miles ahead of CONCACAF, I wouldnt be so sure...I think the two regions are pretty well on-par with each other...But its not about the whole region, we're speaking about one team, and the USA IMO should be 3.5stars. Not quite 4 IMO. So they are under-rated but not drastically...Australia should be ATLEAST 3...

The English side that took the field against Australia, when we won 3-1, was FULL STRENGTH. Apart from injuries, it was the STRONGEST English side...The side that came on in the 2nd half was the younger team. Australia led 2-0 at half time tho, and Harry Kewell, who was dictating the game, went off about 5mins after the break, which ended our domination...

 

[Alex]

Originally posted by theworldgame

No more talk about Freddy Adu either - as he is not a prodigy

Christian Vieri is more Australian than Freddy Adu is American

(in case you do not know - Vieri grew up in Aus until he was 16)

Dude, you're continuing to amaze me...

Freddy Adu, is a FREAK of a player for a 14 year old...I agree tho, that he is pretty much African (Ghanian), but he has chosen to play for the US, and to be honest they MADE him as a player..He grew up there...

As for Vieri, well he was born in Italy...Moved to Australia shortly after his birth, and then moved to Italy when he was around 15 I believe...It was a 50-50 call, he chose Italy, and his Australian born younger brother, Max, has said that he will choose Australia (Altho he is yet to be picked)...

just get over american sport - and hopefully your olympic bid fails because of your hiding of drugged up athletes and just give back the gold medals you don't deserve

and about oceania's ONE place going back to a half spot - the only reason your confederation gets in is because of money and not power

also - howcome your confederation lobby not to play against oceania or south america? because you only have the strength to take on asia, and fear the stronger nations

CONCACAF didnt used to have a half spot...Europe played Asia, we played South America...They have one now tho, and apparently the playoffs are going to be determined by a draw this time around, which is fairer, but still not a good way to decide who makes it...

 

[viduka09]

wow alex, your so informed...im impressed

 

[Alex]

Originally posted by pxpx35
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Kinda sad you have to talk about the Italian who obviously refused to play in the 'awesome' nation he was raised in.

I disagree with you here...Vieri chose Italy simply because of the opportunity it presented...Oceania get half a spot for the World Cup, the game (when he decided who he wantd to play for) wasnt in the best of shape in this country, of course he would choose Italy if given the chance...We've lost a number of players the same way over the years, simply because of poor administration, AND FIFA politics, which excist, whether you like it or not...

Your diatribe about the Olympics made no sense.

*AHEM* Carl Lewis??

And no, CONCACAF gets half your spot because you suck, not because of money. Same reason we wouldn't waste time playing Oceania team - they suck royally. Worse than some of the Carribean nations of here.

We do play South American squads quite often, and Asian nations rarely.

"Because you suck" how intelligent...And you're basing this on what? The fact that Australia has lost ONE qualifying game in the past TWO campaigns, but hasnt qualified on either occasion?

You never got our half spot either, it went to CONMEBOL...And it went to them purely for politics...They wanted an extra, Europe werent going to argue with South America, the big two were always going to stick together on an issue like that-against the minnow confederations...Asia didnt lose a spot, because its where the money is-I mean 4.5 spots for Asia? Thats ridiculous. Japan and Korea are strong nations, But thats two spots...The rest are average...Oceania has one strong nation, thats half the amount of Asia, but we dont have 2.25 spots Asia wouldnt side with Oceania, simply because they were happy that they werent losing any of theirs, Africa and CONCACAF were in the same boat...

So recapping: -You didnt get our half spot
-The reasons it was given away were political
-We dont suck, if you're going to say something like that in the future provide evidence?
-Youve gone from having some of my respect to about none...Now you and the one-eyed Aussies you're arguing with are both being childish, and ridiculous...

 

[theworldgame]

not childish and ridiculous - just believe US soccer is overrated, and we are after a fairer world cup qualifying campaign - because currently it really is up to a bit of luck

because of our location (Australia I'm talking about of course) - it is impossible to get any strong home friendlies, apart from maybe 1 just before final world cup qualifying, meaning that since we lost our world cup qualification game in Uruguay, we have only been on the pitch twice with proper squads (not just NSL misfits)

this gives no preparation for qualifiers - and then we play around 6-10 qualifying games to get through Oceania, with the only real challenge (and only game where top players brought in) is the final which is always against New Zealand. This means that over the 4 years (sinca last WC qualifiers) Australia has maybe, played 3-5 competitive high class matches, and then we are expected to play off against Uruguay, who have played around 30-50 matches in this same period of time, over 20 just from COMNEBOL qualifying group.

This makes the 2 leg play-off incredibly difficult - and also does no good for our FIFA ranking as most nations in other confederations stack up points from qualifying matches which helps them get into the top 50. It is very hard to get a team who has played 5 matches together - assuming there have been no changes to the squad in the last couple years to compete with a South American side who has played together frequently over several years, and who unlike Australia have had time to experiment with their squad and starting XI.

We also have lobbied to be joined as part of ASIA but they are too afraid that we would clearly take away one of the what would be 5 (4.5 +our.5) spots, which would no doubt happen. (perhaps New Zealand might even get in that way)

Australian soccer is underrated, and suffers more than North America ever has - and now North America is even trying to get more places at each WC - it is ridiculous.

Just let us join Asia and we will make it every time, just like the US does with their easy qualification path.

 

[bennismalls]

Originally posted by theworldgame
okocha too old?
martins still long way to go?
eto'o overrated?

come on - i am australian, and i reckon these 3 african guys would beat everyone in australia and especially USA

i'm just trying to point out the gap in standard between African nations and USA - seeing some Americans like UxSxAxFooty seems to think that the little confederation they belong to is more worthy of respect than Africa

US players don't compare and the only reason they went alright at the world cup was because all the top nation's players were buggered after a long season, something MLS players wouldn't know about

the mls season starts in april so y wouldnt they know about that. besides i think a soccer player wouldnt say that that is the reason for the americans performance also considering some of the usa's starters are in europe eg.

claudio reyna, john obrien, cory gibbs, gregg buckhalter, frankie hedjuk,, <he lsft europe when the season was over and the after a week he started in the mls> tony sanneh, Steve Cherundolo,Eddie Lewis, so thats not an excuse so zip it

 

[theworldgame]

most of US squad play in MLS, and those in Europe mainly sit on the substitute bench - and season starting in April is far better than just having finished a longer, more demanding season just weeks before the tournament

just get over it

a couple lucky results by USA and you're expecting to be labelled as one of the very top nations - just take a look around at the other countries and see who's better?

do you think you're better than Turkey? South Korea? Portugal? Mexico? Senegal? Nigeria? Japan?

get over it - you're good, but not that good

 

[nirvanaoath]

Wow, half this thread is about the US. Bennismalls is right. We should have the right to edit stats. And for the Mexico US rivary Mexico these last couple of years have been struggling with the players coming in from other countries like Argentina and Brazil. I mean Toluca's star is Cardozo. He's from Uraquay. In Pumas Ailton is superb but he's Brazilian. This is giving less chance for Mexican strikers and ect to get good. That has given the chance for USA and other teams to beat us. But they won have fair and square. In fact you don't see Mexico play their best until when they need to. They suck at friendlies but at cups and ect they get magical skills to win. That's when other teams should try us.

Another thing is that we could struggle to try to go to Spain, and Italy but Mexican players are lazy. They rather not suffer and turn to be real good, push themselves to try to be like Ronaldo, bend it like Beckham, but just live in thier mansion. Most see soccer as a job not a passion. That's the problem with Mexico. The most stunning Mexicans outside has been Alberto G. Aspe in River Plate and Hugo Sanshez in Real Madrid.

Anyways Mexico is underrated on thier top players. Other players just need a change here or there.