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Mus

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Mus' Musings:
10/10 - The Curious Case of Udinese and Giampaolo Pozzo

The Curious Case of Udinese and Giampaolo Pozzo.
Udinese, Granada and Watford - Or rather, Udinese A, B and C?


There's no doubt that Udinese has a fantastic youth setup, with the club becoming a stepping stone for many large profile signings in recent years such as Alexis, Asamoah, Inler and Zapata, but it is the investment by Pozzo into other clubs, namely Granada and more recently Watford which is most thought provoking.

For those who do not know, in 2009 Udinese invested heavily into failing Spanish Segunda B3 side Granada, forming a partnership with the club not unfamiliar with the parent/feeder club system thoroughly used in FM. Udinese continued business as normal, scouting for talent across the globe only now, they were able to regularly ship off players to their Spanish counterpart Granada. Success immediately followed and Granada earned back-to-back promotions into La Liga largely due to the influence of Udine imports and talent discovered domestically via the use of Udine scouts.

Pozzo did not rest on his laurels and quickly looked towards the huge market of England, holding talks with Charlton F.C before eventually setting his purse upon for sale Championship side Watford. An Italian manager none other than Gianfranco Zola followed shortly and the next piece of the Udine puzzle was in place, with promising youngsters such as Neuton and Matěj Vydra joining at the beginning of the 2012/13 season.

Udinese now have at least 150 players under contract, with a large porportion of that players under 24 years of age and it is seemingly only a matter of time before they directly start to reap the benefits of these partnerships. What I believe is that it is only a matter of time before more and more clubs adopt this policy, with greater than ever interest in growing players due to increasing debts and the overlooking financial fair play rulings.

We've seen a recent trend of multi millionaires investing of clubs to great success, most obviously Chelsea's 2012 Champions league title and Manchester City's 11/12 Premier league title, is this a new direction for more modest budget clubs to keep pace? Much has been made of many tongue-in-cheek comments of Arsenal being a feeding club for Manchester City in recent seasons and may the time have finally come for the "shoe to be on the other foot?" Or so to speak.
 

Mandieta6

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Isn't that illegal, though? I think Roman had a stake at CSKA and he had to give it up because FIFA wouldn't allow two teams owned, even partly, by the same person.
 

Mus

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Just looked it up, it's because they were both Champions league participators at the time, but yeah there's a rule, they both can't be in the same competition e.g. Real Madrid and Castilla
 

Mus

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He's also allowed an infinite amount of loaned players in a season to Watford instead of the 4 under and 4 over rule through some loophole
 

Filipower

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I think that's a fantastic piece of business, if anything. Good on Udinese, more clubs should do that. I mean, for them it's great, and I can't see it really hurting the smaller clubs.
 

Mandieta6

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Well, it depends on how sustainable the model is, and its longevity. If Udinese keep loaning Watford and Granada players they otherwise wouldn't be able to get, on a yearly basis, then these teams can perform better and spend their money (which would be increased) more shrewdly and efficiently. But if the good players are only there temporarily and keep getting refreshed, it's gonna be hard for the feeder clubs to evolve.

How many players are being loaned to each team?
 

Mus

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Right now, Granada has 6, Watford 10.

Some players like Alan Nyom and Dani Benitez have had over 100 appearances for Granada whilst still being owned technically by Udinese.


Something interesting popped into my head,

How would this work in a competition with a salary cap such as the MLS? Do loaned players count towards that? Are loaned players even allowed? I don't really have much knowledge of their rules
 

Mandieta6

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I have no idea how the MLS works, which I believe is the only such league, right? I'm not sure even the American members here know how it works. Although American sports always seem infinitely more complicated than needed.
 

Mus

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The A-League also does it, with one player per team being exempt from the salary cap
 

ShiftyPowers

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Mandieta6;3319282 said:
I have no idea how the MLS works, which I believe is the only such league, right? I'm not sure even the American members here know how it works. Although American sports always seem infinitely more complicated than needed.

They're more complicated because they value parity instead of 1 or 2 clubs at the top every single year. No one knows the MLS rules because no one cares about the MLS, but I could tell you how the finances work in the NFL, NBA, and MLB.
 

yoyo913

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Mandieta6;3319282 said:
I have no idea how the MLS works, which I believe is the only such league, right? I'm not sure even the American members here know how it works. Although American sports always seem infinitely more complicated than needed.


They are more complicated. And it is needed based on the type of league they have.
 

4ndr3i

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Loving this. I think that way more club owners should be doing what Udinese does. Instead of losing promising players or loaning them for peanuts to other clubs (where they might not even play) why not keep them in your own little club system.

And it seems to be working for the players too. Case in point: Torje (H)
 

Mus

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Interesting development now we have, Manchester city, new York city and Melbourne city in a similar set up, Chelsea and vitesse in a almost similar set up (just with best friends for owners) and Juve looking to enter the Portuguese market
 

Bobby

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Mus;3319273 said:
Something interesting popped into my head,

How would this work in a competition with a salary cap such as the MLS? Do loaned players count towards that? Are loaned players even allowed? I don't really have much knowledge of their rules

Yeah, loans are allow, though I'm not sure how they work re: the cap. MLS has some really stupid ass rules.

Recently MLS announced a partnership with the USL to establish farm clubs within the USL Pro Division (officially USLP is the third tier, below the NASL) where MLS teams loan young talent to USL clubs. LA Galaxy took this a step further and set up a full blown USL franchise (LA Galaxy II) and based it at their training ground, other MLS clubs are going to follow this model soon.

To a much lesser extent some MLS and NASL teams have feeder clubs in the semi-pro USL PDL or NPSL though I'm not totally sure how those work.
 

Mus

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So does anything stop Man City from loaning all their fringe players to NYCFC and dominating? In the A-League there's no such thing as loans, just "guest players" which have a limit on how many games they can play
 


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