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Muslims upset at in-your-face lesson in Dutchness

PhiLLer said:
Some of you haven't been following the news properly...maybe using SG as #1 news source?

There's two versions of this film. The one sent out to muslims does not contain the scenes of a topless woman or two guys kissing. The "regular" version of the film does.


I guess this renders this discussion useless, thank me later :p

Let me be the first to thank you now for putting a quick end to this non-sense.

Who's all in favour of restricting fh_29's ability to make new threads say "I" :rolleyes:
 

Paul

Fan Favourite
Why don't we just banish him to a 3rd world country, tie him to a tree, and force him to watch the video over and over again. :ewan:

If that's not enough, we'll just shoot the bugger.
 

jatin

Reserve Team
"force him to watch the video again and again"..i think he would be one 14 year old who would quite enjoy that...or u wanted him to enjoy himself while tied to a tree? :ewan:
 
PhiLLer said:
There's two versions of this film. The one sent out to muslims does not contain the scenes of a topless woman or two guys kissing. The "regular" version of the film does.


I guess this renders this discussion useless, thank me later :p
Do you have a link to an article that says that? I can't find anything online.

If that's true, then yeah, might as well close this thread.
 

PhiLLer

Fan Favourite
Run DMB said:
Do you have a link to an article that says that? I can't find anything online.

If that's true, then yeah, might as well close this thread.

They had a spokeswoman for the Dutch goverment on BBC Radio 5 who said it.

http://www.expatica.com/source/site...e+greets+integration+test+abroad+for+migrants

"The video made to illustrate Dutch life shows gay men kissing and topless women on the beach.

As possession of such images are illegal in some countries, a 'sanitised' version has been made without the breasts and gay kissing."

These immigration tests are bollocks anyway, some of the questions in there Dutch people don't even know. I don't know much about the geography of Holland yet I've been living here for 10 years and speak the language fluent so it proves nothing.
 

INFESTA

Official
PhiLLer said:
They had a spokeswoman for the Dutch goverment on BBC Radio 5 who said it.

http://www.expatica.com/source/site...e+greets+integration+test+abroad+for+migrants

"The video made to illustrate Dutch life shows gay men kissing and topless women on the beach.

As possession of such images are illegal in some countries, a 'sanitised' version has been made without the breasts and gay kissing."

These immigration tests are bollocks anyway, some of the questions in there Dutch people don't even know. I don't know much about the geography of Holland yet I've been living here for 10 years and speak the language fluent so it proves nothing.

Super Phil saves the world! (H)
 

rpvankasteren

Fan Favourite
Although Phil is right, the Dutch are not closely as open-minded as their image might lead you all to believe. And the current government is an extreme at that, actively trying to cripple immigration into the Netherlands. They'd send gay and/or christian Iranians, who have found political asylum in the Netherlands, back to Iran if they get the chance, claiming the country is completely safe for them to go to. :nape:
 

King

My ass smells like your mom
Why are muslims so offended because of the topless babes on the beach? I still don't get it, don't there mother breast feed them? don't they look at those boobs bouncing up and down while ripping the pussies of there 4 whory wives at one time (I mean thats the total of 8 boobs :O ). I mean they also get turned on by females in Burkha.
 
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Virgo

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PhiLLer said:
Some of you haven't been following the news properly...maybe using SG as #1 news source?

There's two versions of this film. The one sent out to muslims does not contain the scenes of a topless woman or two guys kissing. The "regular" version of the film does.


I guess this renders this discussion useless, thank me later :p


that's exactly the same thing. Muslims should be treated like everyone else, end of.
 

Hans

How big is YOUR penis?
king said:
Why are muslims so offended because of the topless babes on the beach? I still don't get it, don't there mother breast feed them? don't they look at those boobs bouncing up and down while ripping the pussies of there 4 whory wives at one time (I mean thats the total of 8 boobs :O ). I mean they also get turned on by females in Burkha.
(H) !!!!!
 
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IceBlu

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Daniel David said:
But you gotta admit that those proceedings are, at the very least, over-zealous. A two hours video? C'mon...


speaking of over-zealous...



July 25, 2005

Iran: Gay Teens Executed by Hanging
In the city of Mashhad in north-eastern Iran, two gay teens have been executed. One was 18 and the other is thought to have been 16 or 17. First they were lashed 228 times, though. Not long after the execution there were howls of outrage from the Iranian parliament - not at the execution itself, but at the temerity of journalists to report it.

According to the website Age of Consent, which monitors such laws around the world, in Iran “Homosexuality is illegal, those charged with love-making Irangay_teens_2 are given a choice of four deathstyles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword, or dropped from the highest perch.

Source: http://atheism.about.com/b/a/187568.htm



:nape:



Just another story to reiterate what we already know. Parts of the Muslim world live in the stone age and practice barbaric rituals... and the worst part is that they intend keeping it that way.

Some of you might come and defend islam saying that this isn't something preached by the Koran. Perhaps not. I haven't read it and don't intend reading it either. The point is that so many atrocities have been committed in the name of Islam so whether you like it not, the religion has instigated people to act they way they do.
 
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Virgo

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IceBlu said:
are given a choice of four deathstyles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword, or dropped from the highest perch.

I bet that's their notion of democracy and right to choose (H)
 

Dreath

Senior Squad
You lot do understand that in the Islamic faith, they do not like nudity, especially of the female kind. The are against homosexuality and other things. But that is their religion, you've gotta respect that.

Religious ideals are pure conservatism based on tradition and it will be nigh on impossible for them to change. It may seem out of touch in the modern days illusion of liberalism, but you've got to respect it. Otherwise the liberal nations/people aren't being liberal are they?

My question is to you. Are you in the position to say what is right and wrong? Surely their word is just as valid as yours? If so then, them being against homosexuality is just as right as your support of freedom of sexuality.
 
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Virgo

Guest
Dreath said:
You lot do understand that in the Islamic faith, they do not like nudity, especially of the female kind. The are against homosexuality and other things. But that is their religion, you've gotta respect that.

Religious ideals are pure conservatism based on tradition and it will be nigh on impossible for them to change. It may seem out of touch in the modern days illusion of liberalism, but you've got to respect it. Otherwise the liberal nations/people aren't being liberal are they?

My question is to you. Are you in the position to say what is right and wrong? Surely their word is just as valid as yours? If so then, them being against homosexuality is just as right as your support of freedom of sexuality.


Lawl this post is hilarious

in case you haven't noticed you're defending their freedom to not let their citizens be free.

Furthermore it's been proven cientifically that you don't choose your sexual orientation.
 

Dreath

Senior Squad
It's quite simple, you and I have been brought up in societies which have especially since world war two, been very pro-liberal. But parts of the middle east haven't. They've kept with a more conservative style of government. So we are brought up into believing freedom of speaech is the way to go, a lot of people from the middle east have been brought up nder a practical theocracy, where muslim law is what goes. We think we're right, they think they're right. Who is to say who is right?

In a lot of Muslim statesthe power lies not within the individual but in the society on the whole. So yes, it is the governments freedom to restrict the freedom of their people. Because in that government system, the power lies in as I said, the society on the whole not the individuals as would be what democracy would want us. It's like the republic.

And you act as if science is the end all of all knowledge. Science is only a belief in something until proven otherwise.
 
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Virgo

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Dreath said:
It's quite simple, you and I have been brought up in societies which have especially since world war two, been very pro-liberal. But parts of the middle east haven't. They've kept with a more conservative style of government. So we are brought up into believing freedom of speaech is the way to go, a lot of people from the middle east have been brought up nder a practical theocracy, where muslim law is what goes. We think we're right, they think they're right. Who is to say who is right?

In a lot of Muslim statesthe power lies not within the individual but in the society on the whole. So yes, it is the governments freedom to restrict the freedom of their people. Because in that government system, the power lies in as I said, the society on the whole not the individuals as would be what democracy would want us. It's like the republic.

And you act as if science is the end all of all knowledge. Science is only a belief in something until proven otherwise.


man... really the hole is getting deeper, you're defending dictatorships now.

that last sentence is so brilliant though. Sig material (H)
 

Bobby

The Legend
Come on come on
I see no changes. Wake up in the morning and I ask myself,
"Is life worth living? Should I blast myself?"
I'm tired of bein' poor and even worse I'm black.
My stomach hurts, so I'm lookin' for a purse to snatch.
Cops give a damn about a negro? Pull the trigger, kill a nigga, he's a hero.
Give the crack to the kids who the hell cares? One less hungry mouth on the welfare.
First ship 'em dope & let 'em deal the brothers.
Give 'em guns, step back, and watch 'em kill each other.
"It's time to fight back", that's what Huey said.
2 shots in the dark now Huey's dead.
I got love for my brother, but we can never go nowhere
unless we share with each other. We gotta start makin' changes.
Learn to see me as a brother 'stead of 2 distant strangers.
And that's how it's supposed to be.
How can the Devil take a brother if he's close to me?
I'd love to go back to when we played as kids,
but things change, and that's the way it is.

[Bridge w/ changing ad libs]

(Come on, come on) That's just the way it is. Things'll never be the same.
That's just the way it is. aww yeah...
[Repeat]

I see no changes. All I see is racist faces.
Misplaced hate makes disgrace for races we under.
I wonder what it takes to make this one better place...
let's erase the wasted.
Take the evil out the people, they'll be acting right.
'Cause mo' black than white is smokin' crack tonight.
And only time we chill is when we kill each other.
It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other.
And although it seems heaven sent,
we ain't ready to see a black President, uhh.
It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact...
the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks.
But some things will never change.
Try to show another way, but they stayin' in the dope game.
Now tell me what's a mother to do?
Bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you.
You gotta operate the easy way.
"I made a G today" But you made it in a sleazy way.
Sellin' crack to the kids. "I gotta get paid,"
Well hey, well that's the way it is.

[Bridge]
[Talking:]

We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.

And still I see no changes. Can't a brother get a little peace?
There's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East.
Instead of war on poverty,
they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me.
And I ain't never did a crime I ain't have to do.
But now I'm back with the facts givin' 'em back to you.
Don't let 'em Carlos you up, back you up, crack you up and pimp smack you up.
You gotta learn to hold ya own.
They get jealous when they see ya with ya mobile phone.
But tell the cops they can't touch this.
I don't trust this, when they try to rush I bust this.
That's the sound of my tune. You say it ain't cool, but mama didn't raise no fool.
And as long as I stay black, I gotta stay strapped & I never get to lay back.
'Cause I always got to worry 'bout the pay backs.
Some buck that I roughed up way back... comin' back after all these years.
Rat-a-tat-tat-tat-tat. That's the way it is. uhh

[Bridge 'til fade]
Some things never change.
 


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