NBA 2004/2005 Season Thread

[ShiftyPowers]

Originally posted by ronnifan9
[ShiftyPowers]...dude r u on your period or something...why r u always pissed...chill out bro...btw--"elightening...ignorance"<---u didnt get it...i pretty much called you stupid....la lala lala ...read my title above my name

No buddy, YOU didn't get it. I understood perfectly what you were trying to imply.

But since you obviously need a dictionary to help you...

enlighten: to furnish knowledge to
ignorant: destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified

So now how is it possible to enlighten (furnish knowledge) with ignorance (lack of knowledge)? Damn, why did I even go to high school? I apparantly could have gotten into San Diego State after 8th Grade!

Oh, and I speak three languages, but not one of them is spanish, nor do I care to learn it. Espanol.... je m'en fous!!

 

[ManU2000]

Originally posted by ShiftyPowers
Damn, why did I even go to high school? I apparantly could have gotten into San Diego State after 8th Grade!

Actually, with the exception of the two Cal Poly's, you probably could have gotten into any Cal State after the 8th grade.

Damn, Phoenix is running with the Pacific already. Hopefully we can keep up. Nice win against Milwaukee last night, Brian Cook with 25 points and 11 boards. haha, I never would have thought he'd be capable of putting up those kinds of numbers in any game.

 

[Chacarita Juniors]

thax for the dictionary help.... i really needed help....btw i hope you learn spanish...hispanic are growing in pop. really REALLY fast ....i dont know the figures in Wisconsin....but i would start learning it

 

[Oscarpuma9]

Originally posted by ManU2000
Actually, with the exception of the two Cal Poly's, you probably could have gotten into any Cal State after the 8th grade.

Damn, Phoenix is running with the Pacific already. Hopefully we can keep up. Nice win against Milwaukee last night, Brian Cook with 25 points and 11 boards. haha, I never would have thought he'd be capable of putting up those kinds of numbers in any game.

Yep Phoenix is playing really good this season.

 

[SB9Dragon]

I really think the Suns made the right decision in centering their focus on Nash. Even if Kobe is a fantastic player I think Nash makes the Suns a better team then Kobe ever could since the team already has the likes of Q and Joe Johnson running the 2.

 

[Run DMB]

Originally posted by ShiftyPowers
3) TD is

No way Shifty.

I'll give you that Duncan is the better defensive player. He's a better shot blocker and a better low post defender. Aside from that, KG has been as good or better at every other aspect of the game in recent years. Here's a couple of things that make Garnett a more complete player than Duncan:

- he's got more range on his jump shots; KG knocks down deep twos with ease and he can hit the three if he has to

- he can guard anyone at any position; When Flip Saunders put KG on Tracy McGrady, T-Mac said he's never had anyone play better defense against him

- KG is significantly better at passing; he's got great hands and eyes on the back of his head; Garnett is top 15 in the NBA in assists, ahead of many starting point guards

- KG is better at handling the ball and has more agility than Duncan; Garnett is the only 7-footer in the NBA who you see beat his defender on a crossover and drive to the hoop for an easy dunk or lay-up

- Garnett never gets injured. NEVER. He's like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable.

- KG actually shows emotion on the court and gets his teammates fired up

Garnett can just burn you in so many ways. He can score on you any way imaginable. He can kill you with his precision passing. He can kill you by completely keeping you off the boards. He'll block your shot, he'll poke the ball away from you. He's mastered every part of the game.

 

[Lennon]

the Magic won 129-108 in regular time. Eight players scored in double figures

 

[$teauA]

I love the new rule in the NBA this year the scoring is wayyyy up

 

[Oscarpuma9]

9 wins in a row for Phoenix Suns.
they won 120- 101.

 

[Jacky]

Originally posted by Run DMB
No way Shifty.

I'll give you that Duncan is the better defensive player. He's a better shot blocker and a better low post defender. Aside from that, KG has been as good or better at every other aspect of the game in recent years. Here's a couple of things that make Garnett a more complete player than Duncan:

- he's got more range on his jump shots; KG knocks down deep twos with ease and he can hit the three if he has to

- he can guard anyone at any position; When Flip Saunders put KG on Tracy McGrady, T-Mac said he's never had anyone play better defense against him

- KG is significantly better at passing; he's got great hands and eyes on the back of his head; Garnett is top 15 in the NBA in assists, ahead of many starting point guards

- KG is better at handling the ball and has more agility than Duncan; Garnett is the only 7-footer in the NBA who you see beat his defender on a crossover and drive to the hoop for an easy dunk or lay-up

- Garnett never gets injured. NEVER. He's like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable.

- KG actually shows emotion on the court and gets his teammates fired up

Garnett can just burn you in so many ways. He can score on you any way imaginable. He can kill you with his precision passing. He can kill you by completely keeping you off the boards. He'll block your shot, he'll poke the ball away from you. He's mastered every part of the game.

OH... I totally agree with this.....KG is more of a complete package .. he can do anything, play any of the 5 positions (he just doesn't want to play center)... he shows emotions and hustles/dives for lose balls... he's some crazy monster....LOL... u can give kg the ball anywhere on the court (duncan usually in the post)...

T-dunc is fundamental and his style of play fits perfectly in with the popovich coach spurs... they are a gritty defensive team....

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Originally posted by Run DMB
- he's got more range on his jump shots; KG knocks down deep twos with ease and he can hit the three if he has to

- he can guard anyone at any position; When Flip Saunders put KG on Tracy McGrady, T-Mac said he's never had anyone play better defense against him

- KG is significantly better at passing; he's got great hands and eyes on the back of his head; Garnett is top 15 in the NBA in assists, ahead of many starting point guards

- KG is better at handling the ball and has more agility than Duncan; Garnett is the only 7-footer in the NBA who you see beat his defender on a crossover and drive to the hoop for an easy dunk or lay-up

- Garnett never gets injured. NEVER. He's like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable.

- KG actually shows emotion on the court and gets his teammates fired up

Garnett can just burn you in so many ways. He can score on you any way imaginable. He can kill you with his precision passing. He can kill you by completely keeping you off the boards. He'll block your shot, he'll poke the ball away from you. He's mastered every part of the game.

Duncan may not have as much range, but he's still just as reliable from 18-20 feet in, if not more so. He has a much more advanced array of post moves too, making him a superior scorer.

Duncan can't guard all five positions, but you already gave me that Duncan's a better defender, so you have no point.

KG is a better passer, I agree.

Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquile O'Neil. None of them can cross over an opponent and take it to the rack, but they're possibly the 3 best seven footers of all time. It's a nice perk, but KG's handling doesn't set him miles apart.

TD is rarely injured either. KG has only appeared in a handful more games than TD since Duncan was drafted.

KG shows emotion, but Duncan is clearly the better leader. Phil Carlos*son and TD are probably the best winners in basketball, and neither show tremendous emotion; emotion can be good at times, but bad at other times (read Artest).

All in all, he plays boring, but Tim Duncan is just a better, more efficient player than Kevin Garnett in my opinion. What's funny is that TD came into the league a full 2 years after KG, but he's like 2 years older, so the longevity of KG's career will really be astounding if he could ever win in the playoffs.

 

[dannyeli]

i'm with you ShiftyPowers]

 

[Run DMB]

Originally posted by ShiftyPowers
Duncan may not have as much range, but he's still just as reliable from 18-20 feet in, if not more so. He has a much more advanced array of post moves too, making him a superior scorer.

Duncan can't guard all five positions, but you already gave me that Duncan's a better defender, so you have no point.

KG is a better passer, I agree.

Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquile O'Neil. None of them can cross over an opponent and take it to the rack, but they're possibly the 3 best seven footers of all time. It's a nice perk, but KG's handling doesn't set him miles apart.

Well we're talking about most complete player, not the best player. Although I think KG has been, without a doubt, both the best and the most complete player in the NBA for the past two seasons. But then again I'm a little bit biased.

I agree Duncan has better post moves but I don't think he's the better scorer. I think KG has improved as a player at a faster rate than TD, which has helped him overtake Duncan in the last couple of years. Duncan winning MVP for 2002-2003 was a travesty. Thankfully they made amends for it a year later.

Let's look at the stats from the last two seasons:

PPG - tie
RPG - advantage Garnett
APG - advantage Garnett
FG% - tie
3P% - advantage Garnett
FT% - advantage Granett
BPG - advantage Duncan
SPG - advantage Garnett
TO - advantage Garnett

The stats so far this season tell a similar story. You'd think that, being on a team which plays better defense and forces a lower opponent FG%, Duncan would have the edge in rebounds, but no. Although I will give you that he has the edge in offensive rebounds, which is partially due to the fact that the Spurs miss more shots than the Wolves.

Oh and yeah, KG is blacker than Duncan, which automatically makes him better at basketball.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Originally posted by Run DMB
Well we're talking about most complete player, not the best player. Although I think KG has been, without a doubt, both the best and the most complete player in the NBA for the past two seasons. But then again I'm a little bit biased.

I agree Duncan has better post moves but I don't think he's the better scorer. I think KG has improved as a player at a faster rate than TD, which has helped him overtake Duncan in the last couple of years. Duncan winning MVP for 2002-2003 was a travesty. Thankfully they made amends for it a year later.

Let's look at the stats from the last two seasons:

PPG - tie
RPG - advantage Garnett
APG - advantage Garnett
FG% - tie
3P% - advantage Garnett
FT% - advantage Granett
BPG - advantage Duncan
SPG - advantage Garnett
TO - advantage Garnett

The stats so far this season tell a similar story. You'd think that, being on a team which plays better defense and forces a lower opponent FG%, Duncan would have the edge in rebounds, but no. Although I will give you that he has the edge in offensive rebounds.

Oh and yeah, KG is blacker than Duncan, which automatically makes him better at basketball.

First of all, great Kanye quote.

Secondly, ok I guess I can admit that KG has a more well rounded game, but I think Duncan is the better overall player. Stats also don't take into account intangibles, such as 2 rings, leadership, etc. Don't want to sound like an ass here, and this is hypothetical and not meant to be a knock on KG, but perhaps Garnett is more concerned with stats than he is with winning. I know what he says, but that can be different from what he actually does. I mean, Dominique Wilkins was a notorious stats guy, and he was one of the best players ever, so I'm not trying to diminish what he's done. But TD has had arguably worse talent around him than KG for the past few years, and the Spurs have always out performed the T-Wolves.

 

[Chacarita Juniors]

:Bow: [run dmb]...good job bro....KG hands down

 

[Run DMB]

Originally posted by ShiftyPowers
Stats also don't take into account intangibles, such as 2 rings

I knew that was coming up.

I would be very surprised if KG is overly concerned with his stats. And I'm not sure about Duncan having worse talent around him. In, 2002-2003 Kendall Gill was one of our top scorers. That's gotta say something right there. Without KG, that team would've been playing for LeBron/Carmelo by the end of the season, rather than being the #4 seed in the West. We got Spree and Sam last season but Wally (18ppg) and Troy(14ppg) were out for most of the season with injuries. The Kandi Man was craptacular. And that team had the best regular season record in the league, and the Spurs didn't do much better than us in the playoffs.

I respect your opinion about Duncan being the better player, since you're unbiased (meaning you're not from San Antonio) and probably know more about basketball than I do. Hopefully this year the Wolves can win it all so KG can put all this talk about first round exits and no rings behind him.

 

[Jacky]

TD learned from one of the best centers in the NBA ... someone with by the name of the Admiral took him under his wings when he first got to the nba....

David Robinson's leadership skills did rub off a bit onto duncan no doubt....

but still... duncan and the spurs got in a real good position when they drafted him... LOL... everyone was injured and they won the lottery... everyone got back and they became champs a year later or so when jordan retired..and was it the year of the shortened season coz of the strike?... (I think it was like that.. not really sure of the dates when things happened)


I always thought the spurs had a better roster when they won those championships...garnett had during that period I don't know who.....

cassell and spree was at minnesota last season or so...and they went deeper into the playoffs... so yeah.. they have better players since last year...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

You're exactly right about the dates, but a couple oversights.... TD plays power forward, not center. I think Nesterovic is the Spurs center (exiled from Minnesota).

Also, the Spurs only won 1 championship in the immediate wake of Jordan retiring. After that I think it was lakers x3, spurs, and pistons. It's also worth noting that the spurs also made a western conference finals in two of the 4 years they didn't win it all (usually regarded as the REAL finals) and if Derek Fisher doesn't hit that reDONKulous shot, they probably have 3 titles right now.

Nah, I don't think I'm some sort of expert, just a guy who loves basketball. And I don't think there's a clear cut better player from those two. All I know is that if we're both starting franchises and we each get one of them, we're probably making deep playoff runs.

 

[Jacky]

yup... they both have their strengths and weakenesses... duncan is a great power forward... but this debate started coz we're talking about the most complete player..

anyway I'm no expert either... I just like to watch the game

and last year if fisher hadn't made that shot that killed the spurs' momentum we would have seen a kg vs td conference finals... would've been a great match

 

[$teauA]

Originally posted by Run DMB
And that team had the best regular season record in the league, and the Spurs didn't do much better than us in the playoffs.

Don't mean to be a drag but the Pacers actually finished with the best record in the league last year , anyway imo I don't see how you can argue between two guys like Duncan and Garnett they are both absolutely magnificent players who can take their teams deep into the playoffs, their skills I mean both players are so skilled that it seems ridiculous to compare and see which one is better the only advantages that TD has over KG is that he has been able to gain more experience while playing with Robinson, he won a championship very early which always helps a young players confidence and he is overall a more mature personality which is transferred to the entire Spurs team on the court; notice none of them have anything to do with their game because as I said they are both awesome and can't really be compared in that category.