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NBA 2005/2006 Offseason Thread

Chacarita Juniors

The artist formerly known as ronnifan9
ShiftyPowers said:
There's nothing wrong with Bogut, but he doesn't fit with the Bucks. We are an up and down athletic team and Bogut is unathletic and doesn't really run the court. Marvin Williams on the other hand fits perfectly. I would be REALLY happy with a lineup like

TJ Ford
Redd
Mason
Marv
Gadzuric

In my opinion that's better than TJ, Redd, Mason, Joe Smith, Bogut. Plus Marv offers more flexibility because he is athletic, can play multiple positions, and can guard multiple positions. Bogut can't. Plus I don't think he will be as big a star in the league as Marv. I think Bogut is the clear #2 in the draft, far ahead of Chris Paul, but Williams is the best player and he fits in much better to Milwaukee so therefore he MUST be the #1 pick. I'll be peaved if we take Bogut.
Yup. Many of the Fantasy Drafts are now putting Marvin in as the top PROSPECT, ...that's why I say the Buck should take him. He's gonna be a Superstar, while Bogut is well ...he's white. Trust me, he's gonna be no Larry Bird. Marvin has a career headed to the path of like a Rasheed Wallace (in talent of course), but in his first year he'll be something like Josh Smith.

Here is a Mock Draft:

1. BUCKS — Marvin Williams, 6-9 SF, UNC
If the Bucks succumb to peer pressure, they'll draft POY Andrew Bogut. If they're smart though they'll take the most talented player in the draft in Williams. Milwaukee currently has a cat named Zsa Zsa holding it down on their front line, making Bogut the tempting choice. But we're big proponents of taking the best player available, and while Marvin is just a young gun still learning his way, you can't pass him up.

2. HAWKS — Chris Paul, 5-11 PG Wake Forest
Yes, Chris is undersized but he will be a great fit for the young Hawks. Get Chris in there right away with Josh Smith, Josh Childress and Al Harrington to grow. They might not win a lot of games at first, but know this: you're gonna see hundreds of sick lobs to Josh Smith.

3. BLAZERS — Andrew Bogut, 7-0 C Utah
On a squad filled with misfits and turmoil, Bogut could provide some solace and hope for Blazer fans. He's got an upside — a seven-footer with good hands and solid post moves — if he can pry the ball from Zach Randolph.

4. HORNETS — Deron Williams, 6-3 PG Illinois
B.Diddy is gone. Shifty Dickau could be on the way out 'cause he's a free agent this summer. So, the lowly Hornets must draft a point guard and Deron is their man. He's as thick as Baron, and what he lacks in explosiveness, he makes up for with his absurd basketball IQ. Any time a guy can totally dominate a late-round NCAA tournament game while only scoring two field goals like we saw Deron do this year, dude is something special.

5. BOBCATS — Martynas Andriuskevicius, 7-3 C Lithuania
He's young, he's a project and he makes Paris Hilton look like she needs to go on Weight Watchers. But he'll do well in an expansion environment in Charlotte where he has time to develop and can work with Primoz Brezec — a project made good.

6. JAZZ — Raymond Felton, 6-0 PG UNC
Utah thought they had a promising replacement for Stockton in Carlos Arroyo but that was just a figment of their imagination. Felton isn't the definite answer at point guard but he could be the best guard left for the Jazz, who were banking on landing a pick in the Top 5.

7. RAPTORS — Gerald Green, 6-8 SF Gulf Shores Academy
He's the best high school player in the draft. He's smooth, relentless on the defensive end and he possesses great NBA size. Toronto should grab him if he's still available because in three years a combo of Green and Bosh could be one of the deadliest in the league.

8. KNICKS — Chris Taft, 6-10 PF/C Pitt
Has there ever been more of a lock than this pick? Of all the debates in the office, we all agreed that Zeke goes with the hometown baller — even if he is another relatively undersized forward on a roster full of 'em.

9. WARRIORS — Channing Frye, 7-0 C Arizona
Of all the squads in the draft, it's the Warriors who have the most potential for '05-'06, so this draft is important. And for G-State, it's important to fill the middle this year. Frye is a poor man's Tim Duncan in the sense that he's fundamentally sound with solid footwork and a mid-range jumper. He won't be as dominant as Duncan but you know what you're getting and that's rare to say these days.

10. LAKERS — Fran Vasquez, 6-11 C Spain
The Lakers aren't exactly a patient bunch. They are a franchise that's used to being good every year, so for them to be in the lottery has to be aggravating in itself. So, needless to say, they are not looking to bring in a project who will be able to help them a few years down the road. They want a big man and they want results now. That's why we can see them taking Vasquez, the most polished foreign prospect on the board. Fran is athletic shot-blocker who can board a little. He needs to bulk up, but he can give L.A. meaningful minutes next year.

11. MAGIC — Martell Webster, 6-7 SG/SF Seattle Prep
O-Town needs some shooters and Webster is a straight up gunner. He can stick it from anywhere on the court and he's an exciting slasher. The Magic desperately need his outside shooting.

12. CLIPPERS — Tiago Splitter, 6-11 SF/PF Brazil
Like a lot of young foreign players, Tiago has the body of a center with the skills of a guard. He's more rugged than you would think though and unlike a lot of his peers, doesn't mind mixing it up in the paint.

13. BOBCATS — Antoine Wright, 6-7 SF Texas A&M
This guy is a diesel wing player that could most definitely contribute right away for the Bobcats. He can score (he averaged close to 18 a game in 2004-05) and despite his position he relentlessly attacks the glass.

14. TIMBERWOLVES — Danny Granger, 6-8 SF New Mexico
The T-Wolves need some new guards in a hurry and Granger — a huge guard — can be the answer. No one's stock has risen faster than Granger's because of his versatility and athleticism. If he kills in workouts like we expect that he will, he could be taken even higher than 14.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
ronnifan9 said:
Yup. Many of the Fantasy Drafts are now putting Marvin in as the top PROSPECT, ...that's why I say the Buck should take him. He's gonna be a Superstar, while Bogut is well ...he's white. Trust me, he's gonna be no Larry Bird. Marvin has a career headed to the path of like a Rasheed Wallace (in talent of course), but in his first year he'll be something like Josh Smith.

First of all that's the absolute worst mock I've seen, it's just terrible. Secondly, Marv isn't Sheed, he's Antawn Jamison if you want to compare him to another Tar Heel, but a really good comparison that's out there is Jamal Mashburn without the injuries and a little more unselfish and a team player. And he's a good defender, but he's NO WHERE NEAR Josh Smith, that kid because of his athleticism is just on another planet.

I now believe the Bucks should take Bogut and sign Tyson Chandler in the off season. I think Marv will be the better player, but we could have Ford, Redd, some free agent SF from next season (we will have 10 Million next summer too), Chandler and Bogut. Plus we have Dez off the bench and maybe we could look at someone like Damon Jones starting at PG and bring TJ off the bench. That team is so damn solid, but it doesn't work without Bogut. Do you realize that Bogut's rookie salary keeps him in Milwaukee for at least 5 years and he'll make less money than Adonal Foyle! Wings are a dime a dozen, especially if you have a foundation like that plus 10 million to spend.
 

Chacarita Juniors

The artist formerly known as ronnifan9
It's FSN's Mock Draft.

...and I may not know much about drafts, but Frye as a lottery pick is pretty bad. He's Lauren Woods w/ like 5 more pounds on him. The same goes for Prince and Chandler although they're much more athletic.
 

SRB

Senior Squad
unless some idiot spends a ridicilous amount on chandler, he's not going anywhere. he's a restricted FA, which means that bulls hold all rights to him, and the front office has kept saying they will match any offer on him. of course, if somebody was to make a really high offer, i don't think the bulls would whip out the checkbook to keep him.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Yeah, but I think for a team like the Bucks he would be worth a rediculous offer, and I just think the Bulls if they were forced to keep one of the two, they would keep Curry. Anyone who rips Chandler doesn't know anything about basketball or has never seen him play, he's one of the absolute best defenders in the league; I think he could win multiple NBA Defensive Player of the Year Awards in his career.

I have no idea how the draft will wind up at the point, but if I was to make a really early mock of the lottery in 5 minutes I'd say

Bucks - Bogut
Hawks - M. Williams
Blazers - Green
Hornets - Paul
Bobcats - D. Williams
Jazz - Felton
Raptors - Splitter
Knicks - Frye
Warriors - Taft
Lakers - Webster
Magic - Vasquez
Clippers - Wright
Bobcats - Granger
Timberwolves - McCants

If anyone wants me to explain what I was thinking for any of the picks just ask.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
In my opinion the Bobcats should be trying to build a successful team and not just appease the fans with a lesser player with a local connection. I would hope the front office isn't as short sighted to take a player who will have a minor effect on attendance and jersey sales when there's a better player at the same position still on the board. And if Deron does well, he WILL put butts in the seats; if Felton struggles the people who came for him will start to drift away. Williams is just the better player and in the long term the better player is always the better pick.
 

SlayerDeuS

Starting XI
You say Deron is the better player but where is he the better player and by how much? I don't think the difference is too profound to draft him over the local kid who will create buzz and $. Felton has the advantage in quickness, explosiveness, dribble penetration, and his style is very fun to watch. Although I don't think that it is likely the Bobcats will keep their two picks, they might trade the picks for a top 3 to get Marvin or CP.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
The Bobcats won't trade away two lottery picks for one, especially since they really only have 1 good player on their roster. They NEED those picks.

Deron is a better shooter, a better passer, a better defender, and a better leader. And to be honest it's not even close in any of those categories. You can have the quicker, more explosive, more fun point guard, and I'll take the guy who can shoot, pass, defend, and lead. I'm willing to admit it's probably close in shooting, but Deron is better. In addition it's not like Williams lacks athleticism or anything, I mean he's 6'3'' but he can still lead the fast break and throw it down.

Deron Williams might have the best vision of any point guard since Kidd and he is a phenomenal defender. For a franchise point guard, those might be the two best qualities to have.
 

$teauA

Superstar
Now I didn't see as much of Williams as I did of Felton this past season but in my opinion Felton is the better pointguard but not by a lot. Also last year the Bobcats drafted a national championship winner and he ended up with a top ten selling jersey now if we draft another national championship winner not only will he sell probably even more jerseys cas he played for a more popular program but he will also bring even more attention around this franchise which we really need because we weren't so hot last year.

edit: and no we are not gonna trade away two picks for one, bernie has made that clear.
 

SlayerDeuS

Starting XI
With the shooting I'd say its a wash because neither was a phenomenal scorer and both can hit the open jumper, passing I could give it to you because Deron had less talent around him, and leadership is a trait for all pg's if you suck as a leader you are most likely not a point guard. Felton also is no slouch defensively, if I'm not mistaken he would be the all-time leader in steals at UNC if he stayed at Carolina for his senior year. It is closer than you put it, there are the top three PG's in my opinion (CP, Deron and Felton) and then there are the rest...Jarrett Carlos, etc. The consensus top three is CP, Marvin and Bogut. Gerald Green is very good, but a team like the Blazers are full in the wing/small forward position (Patterson, Miles, Abdur-Rahim) and they need a center. I think Bogut might end up in Portland.
 

Jacky

Senior Squad
Bogut's comments on Washington post (link from today's hoopshype.com):
"The problem these days is money, and the guys just all want to be all-stars," Bogut said. "That [Dream Team] was all all-stars, the best of the best. But they were professional in their manner, on and off the court. They weren't immature kids coming out of high school. Not to knock the high schoolers, but those players had had been through the college process. They learned to gain respect from coaches, Dean Smith and so on. Then they got to the NBA and they got beat up by other teams before they succeeded, Jordan getting beat up by the Pistons and so on.

"They learned to respect the game and they were unselfish when they played. One game, Magic scored 20. One game, Jordan scored 20. It didn't matter. 'Who cares? We're beating up on the world.'"

Bogut went on: "These days, guys play 82 games a year where the ball is going through them every game. All of a sudden, they train with the best of the best and there's not enough basketballs on the court. It's a cliche, but it's so true, I think. They really need to get more role players on the USA team, in my opinion, that aren't Dream Team caliber but just understand their role. You know, 'If you're open, shoot the three, defend your rear off and rebound. That's all we want from you.' There are guys in the league that do that, and every other country has that now except the USA. I think that's why the past four years everybody has caught up and started to beat up on the U.S."

Bogut was asked for specifics of the American attitude toward the game, what he does not like. Guess who's name came up?

"There's no one I really hate, but Kobe [Bryant] had a demeanor of being very cocky," he said. "What happened with Shaq. . . . If I had a chance to play with Shaq or Tim, if they told me to buy them groceries, I don't care, I buy them groceries. It's a gift to play with somebody like that. Kobe is probably one of the guys that, everybody knows it, he's got that cocky arrogance to him, everything has to surround around him the whole time. Otherwise, he doesn't function. That's the biggest example.

"If you're playing with Shaquille [O'Neal], a Hall of Famer, you keep your mouth shut and play if you want more rings," Bogut continued.

Candid? Definitely. Harsh? No more than what many current and former players have said about Bryant. The most striking aspect of Bogut's comments, though? An Australian, a foreigner, honestly telling Americans how basketball used to be in their country.

anyway I'm looking forward to see LA vs Mil or any team that drafts Bogut... guess who Kobe's gonna crown first? LOL

And regardless if Kobe crowns him or goes off against him for 50 or even averages 50 for the rest of his career... it won't prove Bogut wrong..... Bogut was referring more to the fact that superstars should stay together in the interest of winning titles. Kobe and Shaq went down that road a few times already so I think disinterest might have played as big a role as ego.... but still, I think it's an honest, interesting perspective from a foreign player who's played within the team concept a lot both collegiately and internationally.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Well Bogut would be a good pick, but Milwaukee has been the place where every stiff white center for the last 20 years has ended up. I think Bogut's different, but he probably needs to shut the hell up until he proves something. It's one thing to give a dumb little interview, but it's another thing to guarantee Kobe's nuts will be in Bogut's face more than his wife's.
 

SlayerDeuS

Starting XI
Haha, but it's not like people didn't already know this about Kobe. It would be just like him to go out there and try to dunk on Bogut everytime he's on the court, I tend to agree with Bogut.
 

Frostwolf

Starting XI
Bogut's gonna get dunked on badly. (H)

He's right, but someone who's not even in the NBA yet shouldn't be talking like that about established stars.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Recent Draft News: Chris Taft is losing millions of dollars every day with poor workout after poor workout. There's the possibility that he could slip out of the first round at this point because he's just SOOOOO lazy and has no heart. He's completely on cruise control, but he had a bad college season this year so it's not like he can point to something he's actually done. What a dumbass.

Tiago Splitter pulled out of his 3rd draft in a row. Luis Scola over at Tau in Spain I guess is comming over in the summer (to who else, the Spurs) and they don't want to let both Scola and Splitter in the same offseason. And Splitter doesn't have an NBA buyout, so he's pretty ****ed; and for that reason he's pulled his name out of the draft. Basically all of the Euros are out except for Vasquez actually. There won't be the invasion of previous years.

Wayne Simien measured at just under 6'10'' and wasn't 6'7'' which a lot of scouts thought he was. His stock is rising because of that and because Taft is falling. In the same boat is Ike Diogu who measured in at somewhere around 6'8'', but has a 7'4'' wingspan which means he can play much bigger than his height. Both have a shot at the lottery, but if I was to predict which one of them would crack the lottery I'd say Diogu.

Andrew Bynum's not killing his stock and has gotten into shape, so with his obvious post skills and the fact that he's a legit 7 footer could mean some team will give him a first round promise and he won't go to UConn.
 

Chacarita Juniors

The artist formerly known as ronnifan9
Yes, I 'member Diogu was a probably lottery pick if he'd come out his fresh. year.

at 6'8" he's probably like an Elton Brand, but with a 7'4" wingspand...is that righ?! WOW!
 

Jacky

Senior Squad
Here is the summary of the saga between Portland and Charlotte:
Portland have the 3rd pick and the entire world know they want Green.
Charlotte has the 5th pick and the entire world know they want Paul
NO has the 4th pick and the entire world know they gave a guarantee to Deron Williams.
So why everybody don't just take who he wants?
Simple, Nash thinks he is too smart and if he takes Paul, the Bobcats won't have another choice than to give him Green and something else for Paul, and he wants this thing to be the 13th pick. The Bobcats wants to give the Raps pick next that they have instead. So here come the smoscreens.
Nash(Por) says bad stuff about Green, and that he has an offer for a team with 2 picks.
Ernie(Cha) says that he will take Green at 5 so ernie knows that Green will be gone before Utah and Toronto picks.
Nash now says he like Webster just to tell Ernie that even if they take Green they can deal Paul to Utah or Toronto for Webster and a pick.
What will be Ernie's next move?
Who will win at the end?
Stay Tuned!
This is turning into a struggling mindgame or it could also be a comedy show.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
No ronni, Diogu's stock wasn't ever higher than it is right now. He was great his freshman year, but he was still a 6'8'' power forward who couldn't shoot.

Yeah, Nash knocking Green is just a HUGE smoke screen, but I think Portland will trade down. NOT to Charlotte though. The Bobcats will not give up the 13 because they only have one player on their team so they need the picks to take young talented kids. I think Utah trades up ultimately to #3 and takes Paul, but I don't know what they'd give up in addition to their pick.

Mock currently looking like this

Bucks - Bogut or Williams (probably Bogut)
Hawks - Williams or Bogut
Blazers - Paul (traded)
Hornets - Deron Williams
Bobcats - Felton
Jazz - Green (traded)
Raptors - Granger
Knicks - Frye
Warriors - Vazquez (good luck with Biedrins gives them confidence to take the kid)
Lakers - Diogu
Magic - Webster
Clippers - Wright
Bobcats - Warrick or Graham
TWolves - McCants or Warrick
 


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