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new bin laden tape
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The only reason Kerry might get elected is because his name isn't Bush. Most people don't even know what he stands for, they're both rich ****s. Obviously Bush is worse, but they are still both trash. Here are some important issues Bush/Republicans and Kerry/most democrats support:
Invasion and Occupation of Iraq:
Republicans-Support
The Bush Administration, persuaded by a group of influential neoconservatives, has pursued an unconstitutional agenda of US-imposed regime change. They've openly stated that the goal of US foreign policy should be to democratize (by diplomacy or by military force) nations deemed a threat to US interests and security. Beginning with his infamous "Axis of Evil" statement, Bush made clear that the use of force by the US against other nations will be a constant threat.
Democrats- Support
Only a handful of Democrats opposed Bush's call for an invasion. Very few have demanded the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. Kerry insists that the invasion was a mistake, driven by faulty intelligence about Iraq's Weapons programs. Criticized the Bush Administration as unwilling to use the UN, weapons inspections and diplomacy to seek a peaceful resolution to the question of Iraq's weapons. However, Kerry (and John Edwards) voted to grant President Bush authorization to wage an unconstitutional, undeclared war on Iraq. Kerry says the President has the right to preemptively strike any nation without Congressional approval, and said that the war on Iraq will be "won" if he is elected.
Patriot Act:
Republicans- Support
Created this sweeping infringement on individual rights and liberties.
Democrats-support
Democrats supported it, including John Kerry. The Democratic Platform says nothing about overturning or revising the USA Patriot Act or about the Ashcroft Justice Department's possible plans to expand the act. 332 cities, four states, and the Green Party have condemned the act's numerous violations of the U.S. Constitution.
Invasion of Afghanistan:
Republicans-supported it
Democrats-supported it
Kosovo War:
Republicans-supported it
Democrats-supported it
Military budget:
Republicans- Increase
Bush wants increases and enactment of "Star Wars" National Missile Defense.
Democrats Increase
Gore proposed even greater increases than Bush in 2000 and he supported Star Wars. Despite GOP claims to the contrary, Kerry is generally seen as a Hawk and supports significant increases in the military budget and has proposed an expansion of US Special Forces. Kerry voted for Missile Defense in 1999. SANE gave John Kerry a 20% rating in 2003.
Jewish genocide against Palestinians:
Republicans-Support
Supports Sharon's policies and the illegal "security fence" in the West Bank.
Democrats-Support
Supports Sharon's policies and the illegal "security fence" in the West Bank.
Global Warming - Reduction of Greenhouse Gas Emissions:
Republicans- Oppose
Oppose any reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. Bush withdrew the U.S. from the Kyoto Treaty to reduce greenhouse gases and fossil fuel use (oil, coal).
Democrats-Oppose and Failed to Act.
Failed to act on global warming in 1990s. Clinton and Gore sabotaged the Kyoto Treaty in November, 2000, demanding higher US greenhouse gas emissions. Clinton and Gore sought no improvement in automobile efficiency standards. Kerry says he supports Kyoto but he voted against the global climate change treaty in 1997.
Right to Choose:
Republicans-Oppose
Bush opposes abortion, ordered a ban on US funds for overseas agencies that offer abortion.
Democrats- Weak support
Support abortion rights -- but Clinton signed the same ban in November, 1999. Gore favored outlawing late-term abortion in the US. Kerry is opposed to a ban on partial-birth abortions.
Health Insurance:
Republicans-Oppose
Oppose guaranteed universal health care, support health policy based on corporate profits for insurance, HMO, and drug companies instead of human nee
Democrats-Oppose
Clinton and Gore promoted health policy based on corporate profits; deleted plans for universal health care from the Democratic platform. Kerry is unwilling to support a single-payer system, although he supports making "affordable" health care a right.
Death Penalty:
Republicans- Obviously Support
Democrats- Support
Clinton and Gore supported it. Kerry opposes the death penalty generally, but supports it for terrorists.
-------Labor: Wages and Unions:---------------
Republicans- Oppose Workers
Oppose raising minimum wages and have worked to weaken unions and labor standards.
Democrats-minimal support
Support incremental minimum wages increases, claim to support worker's rights but refuse to overturn Taft-Hartley Act restrictions on union organizing. Kerry's initial proposal is to raise the minimum wage to $6.65/hr. Democrat Platform is silent on Taft-Hartley and living wages.
(Global) Corporate Power
Trade Agreements and Institutions (NAFTA, FTAA, CAFTA, WTO) :
Republicans- Expand
Support so-called "Free Trade" Pacts (WTO, NAFTA, FTAA).
Democrats- Expand
Support the same Free Trade Pacts. Given the negative impacts of pro-corporate trade policies, many Democrats now amend their support with rhetorical demands for more "labor and environmental standards" but rarely suggest that international trade organizations like the WTO need to be seriously reviewed.
Telecommunications Deregulation - Giveaway of public broadcast spectrum to private companies.:
Republicans: Supported
Supported the giveaway of public airwaves to private companies.
Democrats: Supported
Supported the giveaway of public airwaves to private companies.
Other things Republicans and Democrats agree on : Plan Colombia
The bombing of Iraqi civilians
Refusal to ban landmines
Privatization of prisons, other public services and resources
Severe penalties for marijuana
Big corporate mergers and Wall Street bail-outs
Forest logging giveaways
Powerful agribusiness lobbies instead of family farms
Uncontrolled bio-engineering
Increased wiretaps and other surveillance
The Defense of Marriage Act
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
They both support war, poverty, and oppose workers. How can you say they are not different????????????
Invasion and Occupation of Iraq:
Republicans-Support
The Bush Administration, persuaded by a group of influential neoconservatives, has pursued an unconstitutional agenda of US-imposed regime change. They've openly stated that the goal of US foreign policy should be to democratize (by diplomacy or by military force) nations deemed a threat to US interests and security. Beginning with his infamous "Axis of Evil" statement, Bush made clear that the use of force by the US against other nations will be a constant threat.
Democrats- Support
Only a handful of Democrats opposed Bush's call for an invasion. Very few have demanded the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. Kerry insists that the invasion was a mistake, driven by faulty intelligence about Iraq's Weapons programs. Criticized the Bush Administration as unwilling to use the UN, weapons inspections and diplomacy to seek a peaceful resolution to the question of Iraq's weapons. However, Kerry (and John Edwards) voted to grant President Bush authorization to wage an unconstitutional, undeclared war on Iraq. Kerry says the President has the right to preemptively strike any nation without Congressional approval, and said that the war on Iraq will be "won" if he is elected.
Patriot Act:
Republicans- Support
Created this sweeping infringement on individual rights and liberties.
Democrats-support
Democrats supported it, including John Kerry. The Democratic Platform says nothing about overturning or revising the USA Patriot Act or about the Ashcroft Justice Department's possible plans to expand the act. 332 cities, four states, and the Green Party have condemned the act's numerous violations of the U.S. Constitution.
Invasion of Afghanistan:
Republicans-supported it
Democrats-supported it
Kosovo War:
Republicans-supported it
Democrats-supported it
Military budget:
Republicans- Increase
Bush wants increases and enactment of "Star Wars" National Missile Defense.
Democrats Increase
Gore proposed even greater increases than Bush in 2000 and he supported Star Wars. Despite GOP claims to the contrary, Kerry is generally seen as a Hawk and supports significant increases in the military budget and has proposed an expansion of US Special Forces. Kerry voted for Missile Defense in 1999. SANE gave John Kerry a 20% rating in 2003.
Jewish genocide against Palestinians:
Republicans-Support
Supports Sharon's policies and the illegal "security fence" in the West Bank.
Democrats-Support
Supports Sharon's policies and the illegal "security fence" in the West Bank.
Global Warming - Reduction of Greenhouse Gas Emissions:
Republicans- Oppose
Oppose any reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. Bush withdrew the U.S. from the Kyoto Treaty to reduce greenhouse gases and fossil fuel use (oil, coal).
Democrats-Oppose and Failed to Act.
Failed to act on global warming in 1990s. Clinton and Gore sabotaged the Kyoto Treaty in November, 2000, demanding higher US greenhouse gas emissions. Clinton and Gore sought no improvement in automobile efficiency standards. Kerry says he supports Kyoto but he voted against the global climate change treaty in 1997.
Right to Choose:
Republicans-Oppose
Bush opposes abortion, ordered a ban on US funds for overseas agencies that offer abortion.
Democrats- Weak support
Support abortion rights -- but Clinton signed the same ban in November, 1999. Gore favored outlawing late-term abortion in the US. Kerry is opposed to a ban on partial-birth abortions.
Health Insurance:
Republicans-Oppose
Oppose guaranteed universal health care, support health policy based on corporate profits for insurance, HMO, and drug companies instead of human nee
Democrats-Oppose
Clinton and Gore promoted health policy based on corporate profits; deleted plans for universal health care from the Democratic platform. Kerry is unwilling to support a single-payer system, although he supports making "affordable" health care a right.
Death Penalty:
Republicans- Obviously Support
Democrats- Support
Clinton and Gore supported it. Kerry opposes the death penalty generally, but supports it for terrorists.
-------Labor: Wages and Unions:---------------
Republicans- Oppose Workers
Oppose raising minimum wages and have worked to weaken unions and labor standards.
Democrats-minimal support
Support incremental minimum wages increases, claim to support worker's rights but refuse to overturn Taft-Hartley Act restrictions on union organizing. Kerry's initial proposal is to raise the minimum wage to $6.65/hr. Democrat Platform is silent on Taft-Hartley and living wages.
(Global) Corporate Power
Trade Agreements and Institutions (NAFTA, FTAA, CAFTA, WTO) :
Republicans- Expand
Support so-called "Free Trade" Pacts (WTO, NAFTA, FTAA).
Democrats- Expand
Support the same Free Trade Pacts. Given the negative impacts of pro-corporate trade policies, many Democrats now amend their support with rhetorical demands for more "labor and environmental standards" but rarely suggest that international trade organizations like the WTO need to be seriously reviewed.
Telecommunications Deregulation - Giveaway of public broadcast spectrum to private companies.:
Republicans: Supported
Supported the giveaway of public airwaves to private companies.
Democrats: Supported
Supported the giveaway of public airwaves to private companies.
Other things Republicans and Democrats agree on : Plan Colombia
The bombing of Iraqi civilians
Refusal to ban landmines
Privatization of prisons, other public services and resources
Severe penalties for marijuana
Big corporate mergers and Wall Street bail-outs
Forest logging giveaways
Powerful agribusiness lobbies instead of family farms
Uncontrolled bio-engineering
Increased wiretaps and other surveillance
The Defense of Marriage Act
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
They both support war, poverty, and oppose workers. How can you say they are not different????????????
So you don't detect any similarities, but you don't detect any differences either? 
I think you're logic just fell apart there.
You're right on the second part. Bush campaigned as a "compassionate conservative" but is anything but. His change in policies came after Sept. 11 when he tried to make use of his political expediency. Often, the transformation of a President's character is determined by events outside of their realm. It's why after re-election so many Presidents have been involved in 2nd term-scandals (think Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton).
I think you're logic just fell apart there.You're right on the second part. Bush campaigned as a "compassionate conservative" but is anything but. His change in policies came after Sept. 11 when he tried to make use of his political expediency. Often, the transformation of a President's character is determined by events outside of their realm. It's why after re-election so many Presidents have been involved in 2nd term-scandals (think Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton).
I'm going to try to dissect some of these...
As for the expansion of Special Forces: isn't that a good thing? We don't need infantry to track down bin Laden, we need Special Forces, plain and simple.
Also on missile defense: Kerry would cut funds for it. [LINK]
Hope that helped. I'm tired now.
Yes, JK voted for it. But here's his position: "Kerry, who voted for the Patriot Act, says he wants to retain most of it and modify - but not repeal - the provisions he considers most prone to abuse. Those involve library and bookstore searches, wiretaps and the delayed- notification searches known as "sneak and peek.'' [Link]
What's your gripe here? It was the right thing to do and the whole country supported this. So unless you think that some Afghans' lives shouldn't be improved, this is a good example of bipartisanship.
Crap. Republicans were strongly anti-interventionists as were some Democrats, but most of the Democrats supported Clinton.
The only increase Gore proposed was a 3.7% across-the-board pay increase for the Department of Defense. In contrast to Bush, who wanted to increase defense spending, the same 3.7% pay increase PLUS $20 billion for "defense R&D for post-Cold War weapons systems."
As for the expansion of Special Forces: isn't that a good thing? We don't need infantry to track down bin Laden, we need Special Forces, plain and simple.
Also on missile defense: Kerry would cut funds for it. [LINK]
Don't these two sentences contradict each other? I thought so.
Kerry is proposing "high-quality coverage to 95 percent of Americans, including every child. And because John Kerry and John Edwards believe that everyone's health is equally important, they will provide all Americans with access to the same coverage that members of Congress give themselves." [LINK]
Again, what's the beef here?
Hope that helped. I'm tired now.
mhflierman
Starting XI
Anybody see that news conference Bush gave.
"Americans will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our country. I'm sure Senator Kerry agrees with this. ... We are at war with these terrorists, and I am confident we will prevail."
Why the **** did he have to bring Kerry in to it?
"Americans will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our country. I'm sure Senator Kerry agrees with this. ... We are at war with these terrorists, and I am confident we will prevail."
Why the **** did he have to bring Kerry in to it?
S
Sir Calumn
Guest
It put's Kerry in such an awkward situation - he obviously cant say he agrees with anything Bin Laden said but in saying he disagrees he is disagreeing that he would be a better president than Bush. It does give him a little to play with, he can go on about how Bush didnt sort Bin Laden out when he should have, but I'm sure this will benefit Bush more than Kerry as people wont want to risk change and will want to see him through to the end, and people seem to trust him as a desicive military leader (rightly or wrongly). It will also do alot to help build up the fear which he has relied on to get most of his rediculous law changed through.
Politics. He's trying to put the ball in Kerry's court so the video doesn't reflect on Bush's failure to capture or kill bin Laden.
The video kind of goes both ways and balances itself out. It's bad for Bush ("He hasn't captured him!") and it's also good ("Oh no, he's still out there!"). I don't think the video will have that much influence. Americans don't like to be told who to vote for.
Man how predictable is this 
Anyway, Vagegast is right. If the Republicans can spin it in terms of fear mongering rather than the fact they have actually failed to achieve anything in this so-called 'war on terror', then it looks good for Bush et al.
Anyway, Bin Laden would much prefer a Bush victory than a Democrat one simply because it will keep people flocking to support him. A Kerry victory will probably mean a broader international coalition operating in Iraq and throughout the Middle East, making it much harder for Bin Laden to pursue an anti-American line.
So lets see, Iran want Bush to win, Bin Laden wants Bush to win, the governing council in Iraq would probably prefer a Bush win, so that just leaves North Korea to come out in support of Bush and he will basically have the entire 'axis of evil' behind him
EDIT: I forgot Elder
Anyway, Vagegast is right. If the Republicans can spin it in terms of fear mongering rather than the fact they have actually failed to achieve anything in this so-called 'war on terror', then it looks good for Bush et al.
Anyway, Bin Laden would much prefer a Bush victory than a Democrat one simply because it will keep people flocking to support him. A Kerry victory will probably mean a broader international coalition operating in Iraq and throughout the Middle East, making it much harder for Bin Laden to pursue an anti-American line.
So lets see, Iran want Bush to win, Bin Laden wants Bush to win, the governing council in Iraq would probably prefer a Bush win, so that just leaves North Korea to come out in support of Bush and he will basically have the entire 'axis of evil' behind him
EDIT: I forgot Elder
Originally posted by rhizome17
Man how predictable is this
Anyway, Bin Laden would much prefer a Bush victory than a Democrat one simply because it will keep people flocking to support him. A Kerry victory will probably mean a broader international coalition operating in Iraq and throughout the Middle East, making it much harder for Bin Laden to pursue an anti-American line.
So lets see, Iran want Bush to win, Bin Laden wants Bush to win, the governing council in Iraq would probably prefer a Bush win, so that just leaves North Korea to come out in support of Bush and he will basically have the entire 'axis of evil' behind him
EDIT: I forgot Elder
Come on North Korea!!! Jump into the party!!
You're right about bin Laden wanting a Bush victory. It helps him have an "enemy" to put a face on, and it helps people around the world to forget about him and focus more on how "Evil" Bush is.
As for a Kerry victory meaning anything in regards to an international coalition... don't hold your breath. He's losing anyway.
A known asshole who used to be a dictating president in South Korea tried to wire some political fund money to Kerry. Fortunately, Kerry knew about the type of person he was.
I bet Frostwolf would know about this, with the whole massacre that happened in his town.
Just thought I'd mention South Korea. North Korea? Whatever. I wonder if Kim Jong Il saw Team America.
Off topic that post was. Please excuse me.
I bet Frostwolf would know about this, with the whole massacre that happened in his town.
Just thought I'd mention South Korea. North Korea? Whatever. I wonder if Kim Jong Il saw Team America.
Off topic that post was. Please excuse me.