Next Leap 2006 PES6!

[MightyTic]

Rumor #4: Pro Evolution Soccer 6 will be released on next-generation consoles.

Source: An interview with Shingo "Seabass" Takatsuka posted on the Konami UK site. The interview has since been pulled--although a cached version is still viewable on Google (for the time being).

The official story: Konami of America had not offered a response as of press time.

What we heard: As is the case with FIFA and Madden, the release of a Pro Evolution Soccer game is an annual certainty. In the interview, Takatsuka was talking about the next installment in the ultrasuccessful footie franchise, which will--shocker--be released next year for the PlayStation 2. However, Takatsuka also displayed some refreshing candor about game development--at least enough candor to get the interview removed from the Web. "It's the end of the life cycle for the PlayStation 2," he said. "Therefore we're only really looking ahead to PES5, and we already have ideas--we're starting to work on it already. However for the future...PES6, we're thinking of next-gen platforms so we're just constructing ideas about that." There it is--straight from the horse's mouth.

Bogus or not bogus?: Not bogus.



I tried the link to the story but it was gone... pulled!


As Ive said before on the last Interview with Seabass where he too also went to far for Konamis liking , saying that all he wanted to put into PES4 AI and so on couldn't be done as the PS2 was crammed with what now is PES4, so if they had to leave AI and other inprovements out of PES4 as regards the PS2 I don't hold out for many if any real improvements in PS5 as that will still be built on the PS2 and ported.

If they want to add new things into PES5 which they couldn't get into PES4 , the only way I can see them doing anything is by taking something out !! Im talking gameplay and AI an so on ., not clubs offical kits and so on , there might be more of them...

But it looks like 2006 before we see the next step better AI and so on!

 

[Jace11]

I don't really keep up with console technology anymore, but I have heard exciting things about IBM/Toshiba's new CELL chips. Reputed to be mini "supercomputers" they are infact several seperate chips each designed to do specific functions. As we reach the maximum heat/size/die threshold of traditional processors, these CELL chips are thought to be the next way forward. At least 10 times more powerful than the latest Pentiums they are rumoured to be able to produce "movie-like" graphics.

Now the best bit, apparently they are going to used in many different machine for many applications, but the first public use will be when they emerge in the Playstation 3....

Sorry if this is old news..

 

[soccerulez]

Great news!!!

 

[Rocky]

sounds gooooooooood

 

[jefferson goh]

thx for the info

 

[jimbo118]

Originally posted by Jace11
At least 10 times more powerful than the latest Pentiums they are rumoured to be able to produce "movie-like" graphics.

i'll believe that when i see it,remember ps2's launch and all the fuss over bouncer etc,10 times more powerful than the latest pentiums,i read in a tech mag thats its about 4ghz speed so its not 10 times more powerful ,cant wait though

 

[Kibble]

It's clear to see how much games have developed over the course of the PS2's life and how much they've been able to squeeze out of it. I'm sure we will see the same pattern with the PS3. It may take a while for games to realise the full potential of it's capabilities. These kind of things always happen gradually. The problem is when people expect miracles - we are not going to get 100% lifelike looking players and matches indistinguishable from watching them live on TV in PES6.

 

[JODECIUK]

Apprently it runs as fast as the latest pent 4 if not faster, but by the time it comes out, pc cpu's will probably have doubled the speed of it.

 

[jimbo118]

yes it runs faster but pcs will be more powerful within 6 months but that doesnt mean the consoles wont have amazing games

 

[Neoptolemus]

This is why I hate console ports, they are always limited by the console it is based on. Even Xbox ports, with the exception of Chronicals Of Riddick, always look dated when compared to games built for the PC. The PS2 by comparison looks like the dogs dinner.

I sincerely hope one day a PC developer will create a footy game designed especially for cutting-edge PC technology, so we PC users will get high poly-counts, high resolution textures and some nice fancy effects like rain glistening on the ball and players.

If you ask me, consoles will NEVER be able to beat the most up-to-date computers, even the PS3 probably wont be as powerful as the more powerful PCs on the day it comes out, and it will quickly be outstripped by mainstream PC technology, which is evolving at a ridiculous rate.

 

[deftonesmx17]

Originally posted by jimbo118
i'll believe that when i see it,remember ps2's launch and all the fuss over bouncer etc,10 times more powerful than the latest pentiums,i read in a tech mag thats its about 4ghz speed so its not 10 times more powerful ,cant wait though

Thats just it guys. Your not understanding what the processor can do. you are looking at the raw speed figure. Example. My AMD Athlon XP 2500+ is only clocked at 1.83 Ghz. It computes and runs programs just as fast an efficent as a 2.4 Ghz Pentium 4. With the same respect. You have to remember that this chip is not an x86 32-bit chip. The main core is a 64-bit "powerpc" chip. The 8 APU's will each do different things. I also would like to add that no the PS2 does not have the GFX of others out there. The main reason for this is the fact that most GFX for the PS2 are in a software render. Pretty amazing if you think about it. The PS2 does have the most powerful CPU between xbox and gamevube. The PS2 has more raw computing power than a current Pentium 4 processor. This next time around Sony is using Nvidia for the GFX department. This will take load off the "Cell" CPU. All GFX will be in hardware this time. Remember also that the 8 APU's will each have a different function based on what it is programed for. Say one APU could control the physics engine. While another calculates the A.I. The other calculates the geometry engine. The list goes on and on. So say if you have only 4 things that need calculated for one game, this leaves the other 4 APU's free to double process everything. It is all in the hand of the developers. The fact that the chip does over 250Gflops is amazing. A current pentium 4 does around 20 Gflops.

 

[jimbo118]

Originally posted by deftonesmx17
Thats just it guys. Your not understanding what the processor can do. you are looking at the raw speed figure. Example. My AMD Athlon XP 2500+ is only clocked at 1.83 Ghz. It computes and runs programs just as fast an efficent as a 2.4 Ghz Pentium 4. With the same respect. You have to remember that this chip is not an x86 32-bit chip. The main core is a 64-bit "powerpc" chip. The 8 APU's will each do different things. I also would like to add that no the PS2 does not have the GFX of others out there. The main reason for this is the fact that most GFX for the PS2 are in a software render. Pretty amazing if you think about it. The PS2 does have the most powerful CPU between xbox and gamevube. The PS2 has more raw computing power than a current Pentium 4 processor. This next time around Sony is using Nvidia for the GFX department. This will take load off the "Cell" CPU. All GFX will be in hardware this time. Remember also that the 8 APU's will each have a different function based on what it is programed for. Say one APU could control the physics engine. While another calculates the A.I. The other calculates the geometry engine. The list goes on and on. So say if you have only 4 things that need calculated for one game, this leaves the other 4 APU's free to double process everything. It is all in the hand of the developers. The fact that the chip does over 250Gflops is amazing. A current pentium 4 does around 20 Gflops.

in english pls

yea get your point about overclocking etc also the consoles dont have to run all those background tasks that hog memory,my comp uses nearly 300mb of ram on background tasks alone

but anyway i saw a screenshot of a guy who overclocked his 3.8ghz pent 4 to 6.4ghz 1,lol imagine how fast that is

 

[MightyTic]

Story out in a UK retail mag MCV this moring , Xbox2 Xmas 2005!

http://www.computerandvideogames.co...computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=114925



If that is true and MS are trying to get in 1st with the next gen, it would have been good if Konami could make a speial version of PES5 and not a port of what will be again a port of the PS2 version

 

[deftonesmx17]

Originally posted by jimbo118
in english pls

yea get your point about overclocking etc also the consoles dont have to run all those background tasks that hog memory,my comp uses nearly 300mb of ram on background tasks alone

but anyway i saw a screenshot of a guy who overclocked his 3.8ghz pent 4 to 6.4ghz 1,lol imagine how fast that is

Ok for the simple man. They are not lying when they call it a supercomputer on a chip. This thing is faster than anything out there. Maybe not in Ghz/Mhz speed but in raw computing power. Pretty much if you read the enitre link at the bottom, if this thing is easy on programers then it might very well take over the market for the PC CPU. It is also what IBM will start using for their super-computer servers and mainframes. If that helps you understand this puppy.

this is from the article linked below.

"Cell Will Demolish The PC On The First Day
One point that has been made to me is that claiming the Cell will demolish the PC on the first day is inviting criticism.

This claim is based on the fact that the similar technology in GPUs is already demolishing general purpose CPUs by hundreds of percent margins. This is not in theory, this is happening in real life applications today. GPUs are used in a variety of ways to accelerate different research applications, they can be used for a lot more than graphics.

The above claim may seem shocking to many PC users but if you are aware of what GPUs are capable of you'll not find it surprising at all. Your graphics chip can already outgun your CPU by a massive margin. You could consider Cell a more general purpose version of the same technology. "

Since graphics processors are far more powerful than a current CPU's. Imagine say your new ATI Radeon x850 clocked @ 4 Ghz instead of the 590 Mhz that it is. Thats why the 4 Ghz doent make since to most people. They dont understand the way the chip is designed. For its design, 4 Ghz is super uber fast.


http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cells/Cell0.html

So if put together with a codenamed "geforce7", (which nvidia has talked about using two GPU's) we will no doubt have games that look almost as good, if not better, as the intro movie to PES4. Think about it. That movie was made on a current supercomputer. Well, if the Cell is faster than anything we have now, those GFX in game are not a dream but a mere reality if programers can do it. The chip is powerful enough, now it is up to the programers to see it through.

 

[jimbo118]

yeah interseting,i know about stuff like the new graphics cards being faster than cpus etc,i highly doubt it'll be the end of pc gaming,they always say that but i'll definately be geting a ps3,what most devs say is that the future of gaming lies with online gaming,hopefully the ps3 will have better support for this particurly in europe,anyway i dont expect the ps3 in europe until say mid 2006,so no need to worry yet.

the ps3 really needs to perform though ,the ps2 couldnt even handle medal of honor:allied assault which was a quake 3 game ffs,max payne 2 aswell and ofcourse it has no chance with half life 2 etc,anyway the pc has alot o look forward to this year with stalker,fear etc

 

[deftonesmx17]

Originally posted by jimbo118
yeah interseting,i know about stuff like the new graphics cards being faster than cpus etc,i highly doubt it'll be the end of pc gaming,they always say that but i'll definately be geting a ps3,what most devs say is that the future of gaming lies with online gaming,hopefully the ps3 will have better support for this particurly in europe,anyway i dont expect the ps3 in europe until say mid 2006,so no need to worry yet.

the ps3 really needs to perform though ,the ps2 couldnt even handle medal of honor:allied assault which was a quake 3 game ffs,max payne 2 aswell and ofcourse it has no chance with half life 2 etc,anyway the pc has alot o look forward to this year with stalker,fear etc

It wont take over PC gaming, it may in fact be your processor in your PC for gaming in the future. Also you can not compare Half-Life 2 to a PS2 game. The PS2 was completed in 2000. It is 2005 and even a current GFX card can only run HL2 at around 60 FPS. try and run HL2 on a GFX card made in 2000 like a geforce 2. You will only get like 5-10 FPS even with a Pentium 4 3 Ghz. GT3 (as will GT4) ran at 60 FPS no problem and look at it for 4 years ago.

 

[jimbo118]

Originally posted by deftonesmx17
It wont take over PC gaming, it may in fact be your processor in your PC for gaming in the future. Also you can not compare Half-Life 2 to a PS2 game. The PS2 was completed in 2000. It is 2005 and even a current GFX card can only run HL2 at around 60 FPS. GT3 ran at 60 FPS no problem and look at it for 4 years ago.

yeah i know,just making the point on how the ps2 was overtaken so quickly,i mean medal of honr,come on,cant wait to see what hideo kojima will do with a ps3

 

[Paco de Lucia]

Why is this good news or news at all?

According to Eurogamer, release dates for Xbox 2 are late Oct./early Nov. (this year) for the U.S., with Europe following several weeks later.

We're gonna be playing an old-generation WE9/PES5 until August 2006 -- nearly one year after Xbox 2 launches??? -- if this release date holds true.

Konami should be working on a next-gen Xbox 2 PES game as we speak (for Nov. release) instead of merely tweaking the existing game by adding a few new stadiums and extra animations!

 

[deftonesmx17]

Originally posted by jimbo118
yeah i know,just making the point on how the ps2 was overtaken so quickly,i mean medal of honr,come on,cant wait to see what hideo kojima will do with a ps3

No doubt dude. The MGS on PS3 will be insane. So will the next crop of soccer games.

Originally posted by Paco de Lucia
Why is this good news or news at all?

According to Eurogamer, release dates for Xbox 2 are late Oct./early Nov. (this year) for the U.S., with Europe following several weeks later.

We're gonna be playing an old-generation WE9/PES5 until August 2006 -- nearly one year after Xbox 2 launches??? -- if this release date holds true.

Konami should be working on a next-gen Xbox 2 PES game as we speak (for Nov. release) instead of merely tweaking the existing game by adding a few new stadiums and extra animations!

As with the xbox comming out 20 months after the PS2, any person knows thats why it is more powerful. The xbox2 that will die when PS3 comes out. Xbox2=current technology. PS3=future technology.

 

[jimbo118]

Originally posted by deftonesmx17
No doubt dude. The MGS on PS3 will be insane.




As with the xbox comming out 20 months after the PS2, any person knows thats why it is more powerful. So enjoy the xbox2 that will die when PS3 comes out. Xbox2=current technology. PS3=future technology.

yeah cant wait for e3 to see if mgs4 will be announced,still remember when mgs2 was announced,the hype for mg will the began again,

20 months did you say so the ps3 wont be here till 2007!tell me your joking

edit:what graphics card is the xbox2 using,a overclocked 6800 ultra i heard or dual 6800s

and what is ps3 using?