NK FOOTBALL © - Lets go Old Skool

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

Remember the good old days when I and many other editors would simply release work after work and give it a 1.0, 1.1 name and you guys would give feedback 'on the fly' to aid the community to a better gameplay?

I'm talking about 2001! I'm not sure who's been here that long, to be honest a lot of your username's are new. But hell, I remember how it works. I release a beta, you guys give me feedback, I fix it up, release a new one, and so on. Until we agree it's good, last feedback and BOOM you have a new Final release.

Here's a quick update to WE4 for SG. Beta 4.1. It only works for FIFA 07 cause that's my main title. I simply make the update compatible with UEFA as it's more of a spin-off game than the yearly release.

And hey my apologies for opening new threads on this. But sticking all this sh!t into one long thread is just a bitch to read through when it piles up. And yeh, I spoke to you like a true SG peep, so i'm on your level here. No Mr.professional. So hey, let's get f*cking busy.

click here to download WE4.1 beta
NK.

 

[cosminnfs]

Now this is what I call an awesome thread ! Let's get busy !

Now first we all have to set the possible variables of the game the same as everybody cause we'll approach the difficulty thing like a stair with steps like for example we consider the normal/realistic fifa to be the semi-pro difficulty, then the a little bit difficult than normal will be the pro setting, the hardest (but still realistic) to be legendary and of course the beginer to be the easiest. This will be better for NK because if he has a variable in the gameplay upates files that handles let's say the CPU keeper's skill: Let's say the value is 0,5 for begginer. In that case for semi pro it will be 0,8 in pro 1 and in legendary 1,2 so you see...like rising numerical values. Don't you agree NK ?

So...i will download the 4.1 beta and test it on Semi Pro so when you will have the final OK for the semi-pro level you will incresease/decrease the variables for the other skill levels by a numerical percent value. If the difficulty for semi-pro is 100% the difficulty values for pro will be 120% (20% higher than semi-pro), also for begginer it will be 70% (30% lower skill values than semi-pro)...anyway you get the ideea.

And i almost forgot. We will also set the speed value to "slow" so it will be as real as possible cause I don't like playing football as if it was a ping-pong match.

Well...I'm off to "work" and i'll let you in for some feedback soon. Once again NK you rock!

 

[cosminnfs]

- so first thing NK in my opinion is to make the normal passes bounce but not that much as it bounces now and make them just a bit more fast. That would be great.
- second... try to make the pressuring defenders not chase you all way to your half of the pitch. Make them mark "zonally" for example I was with messi against Roberto Carlos (who i know isn't playing for RM anymore sadly) and they both have contradicting possitions as defender/striker and roberto carlos and another midfielder i don't remember who chased me to the centre of the park so that's got to be fixed. So when Messi is out of Roberto Carlos' mark zone then Roberto Carlos should pool back and let him go. I think that's the main reason we can't make more than 2-3 passes. The marking.
- third... you see the problem is that as soon as I make a pass the player that is supposed to receive the pass often dosen't receive it cause the player that marks him rushes with blistering speed toward him to take the ball. So make the pressuring players not so aggresive. Give the guy some slack !
- forth... please i beg you please stop making them pull your shirt and pulling you down every single time cause it's annoying and honestly...because of this the CPU players are like bullies who won't leave you alone. It makes you wanna punch them if you were the real player in the game. And also make them not stay so close to you like glue and also this would be very cool cause it is overlooked, that is to make the CPU players some times (not every time) fooled by fake passes and fake-crosses because again...they're so close to you that you can't move and if you want to fake a pass i don't know how and why but they seem to know EVERYTIME that it is a fake and they ALWAYS take the ball from you so faking is not possible at this time.
- I also noticed that in general when the CPU has a 4 man deffence all the 4 men come toward the centre of the field in front of the box to block a players shot. And I can only "shoot" with messi cause i can cut toward the midle from the flanks with him, with eto'o...no change cause he can never receive the ball...so anyway when i shoot with messi there are at least 3 defenders directly in front of me at a distance less then 1 metre so that's got to be fixed. Make the game "wider" make it run more freely cause it's squeezed at the center of the field. Like for example when I have a counter attack the 3 defenders that stayed back all come toward the middle to get the ball. Remember Ronaldinho' first goal again Real last year in the 3-0 match ? It was the same scenario but all Real's defenders that stayed back were all stretched out not bobbed down in the middle. Man right now fifa is like a rugby match defensively =))
- Also when I have a player that escaped on the wing when he crosses low into the box even tho the striker is 1 metre in front of the last defender the defender still gets the ball because he has a lightning fast acceleration. Make low crosses more possible to score goals from like... 35% percent to score goal from a low cross.
- Also all the CPU players are like horses. If they barelly touch you it's a foul they're like statues...unmovable. Try and fix that.
- 1-2 passes: make them faster than normal passes because 1-2 passes are famous for they speed that catch defenders off guard.
- Finesse shot: totally usseles and stupid-looking. Try and implement the original fifa07 finesse shot technique and then we'll try and improve it but I think it is the best the original one cause I remember playing fifa07 with stock gameplay and the finesse shot was excellent.
- Also close shots. They embaress the player. I mean I was in practice mod Barcelona versus Osasuna with the option set to Osasuna only one player (the keeper) and so I was with ronaldinho i finally managed to dribble the keeper to the left of ronaldinho and then i turned with the ball and made a simple pass to Deco who was maximum 1,5 meters from the goal standing in front in the center of the goal and he totally missed that shot. As I said...my grandma could shoot better than Deco at that particular situation. And I would of been reeeaaaaly pissed if that wouldn't have gone in.

 

[cosminnfs]

And also I got a new ideea moments ago (i'm really happy about this work and so i'm in the mood :P) that you noticed how people complain about players shooting always wide of the goal ? Well...i have an ideea and the ideea is to make the players in stead of shooting towards the sides of the goal to make them shoot toward the middle but not dead middle like I mean...cause in reality players shoot towards the centre but toward the sides wheter in fifa they shoot wide hoping to go in...so here it will be the opposite: shoot in the centre but hope it goes in the corner. And I also noticed that when a player shoots from outside the box with power (D key + C key) they shoot with an outside curl that is originally pointed towards the low corner but because of the bend it goes outside but if you make them shoot toward the middle they'll shoot toward the middle but because of the bend the ball will go toward the sides of the goal. You know what I mean....

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

WE4.2beta download here

Changes made according to feedback. Nothing guaranteed until tested

(the shooting idea will try to implement into 4.3 )

NK.

 

[cosminnfs]

WE4.2beta download here

Changes made according to feedback. Nothing guaranteed until tested

(the shooting idea will try to implement into 4.3 )

NK.

Yeah...you know NK i was thinking...maybe we should I mean you should release a new 0.X version at every couple of feedbacks not just one. For example all the feedback that I said until now should be 4.2, then after a couple of more feedbacks we'll have 4.3 cause else we'll end up having version 15.5 ! And I've got an ideea. Let's choose the final version to be version 7.0 cause you know..it's fifa 07...

And btw i tried 4.2 beta and i will write/edit this post as I find things to add:

- the defenders still are like bullies and they try to take your ball like it were the end of the world.
- the pass speed is better but the ball still jumps to high

OMG NK i've finally seen some improvement on counter-attacks but it ended veeeery very ugly. I defended a corner and my defense cleared it with the head down to messi, messi passed it to ronaldinho who was waiting on the left-centre side and he outrunned a RM midfielder, than he beautifully faked/avoided Helguera and the whole stadium was screaming for a goal and I was left alone with Casillias with eto'o on the right, I passed to Eto'o and Eto'o from 2 metres with an empty goal he missed veeery badly. Although Helguera did "guess" where I was going so I kinda ran through him. I will try and upload it on youtube. You see...I have beautifull plays but incredibly stupid finishing. I can already see the improvement NK! It's looking good !

 

[elhelmiey]

i've just play a couple of games on legendary mode using the updates:



WE4
CPU players are seems passive and that's why all the skills/ signature tricks can beat them easily

WE4.1 BETA
CPU players are now very aggressive. now that's really make me struggle to win the game! but sometimes it feels like they're just too aggressive. just look how both of ballack and kalou chasing for the ball...

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

I see, well we shall see how this feedback process goes as right now I am working on 4.3 to try and get through the shot mechanic issue. However, it won't be released until more feedback is posted

Thanks buddy
NK.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

i've just play a couple of games on legendary mode using the updates:



WE4
CPU players are seems passive and that's why all the skills/ signature tricks can beat them easily

WE4.1 BETA
CPU players are now very aggressive. now that's really make me struggle to win the game! but sometimes it feels like they're just too aggressive. just look how both of ballack and kalou chasing for the ball...

I know the reason for this and it is now fixed! Thanks you very much, continue to post bro. Very important is feedback like this.

NK.

 

[cosminnfs]

Yeah but that's Legendary difficulty. It's sorta normal to chase you like that. But anyway what do you say NK ? should we all use the same difficulty level to give you feedback ? Would that be easier for you ?
And BTW here's my video (poor quality due to camera phone) of Ronaldinho vs. Real Madrid run and Eto'o miss. Notice how Helguera who was the last defender instantly knew where Ronaldinho was gonna go and the two sorta crashed into eachother. That should be fixed too cause remember how ronaldinho dribbled Helguera in that 3-0 match last year. Helguera was left flat-footed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fvymba5X7I

- I also noticed in practice that you cannot dribble a defender by suddently accelerating alongside him. Like let's say you attack from left to right and you are with a skilled player (yes again Ronaldinho) and you hold down E and right arrow and then you press Shift (which knocks the ball further) and a diagonal direction let's say right and down so he'll try and pass by him on the right to shoot afterwards with his right foot, when he presses shift i don't know why but he does knock the ball beside him but i don't know...when hi's foot touches the ball it's like he decelerates greatly and so the defenders get the ball with now problem. Video coming soon.
Oh man...I can't even try and experiment certain things i want to experiment cause the pressing is just...choking. I won't do anymore testing until the new update cause i'm getting frustrated...I just whished i knew how to modify a gameplay like you do...

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

Yeah but that's Legendary difficulty. It's sorta normal to chase you like that. But anyway what do you say NK ? should we all use the same difficulty level to give you feedback ? Would that be easier for you ?
And BTW here's my video (poor quality due to camera phone) of Ronaldinho vs. Real Madrid run and Eto'o miss. Notice how Helguera who was the last defender instantly knew where Ronaldinho was gonna go and the two sorta crashed into eachother. That should be fixed too cause remember how ronaldinho dribbled Helguera in that 3-0 match last year. Helguera was left flat-footed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fvymba5X7I

- I also noticed in practice that you cannot dribble a defender by suddently accelerating alongside him. Like let's say you attack from left to right and you are with a skilled player (yes again Ronaldinho) and you hold down E and right arrow and then you press Shift (which knocks the ball further) and a diagonal direction let's say right and down so he'll try and pass by him on the right to shoot afterwards with his right foot, when he presses shift i don't know why but he does knock the ball beside him but i don't know...when hi's foot touches the ball it's like he decelerates greatly and so the defenders get the ball with now problem. Video coming soon

Hmm interesting! I will look into this.

Are you a Semi-pro player? Most players' here are world class/legendary. I don't see a problem if you test on semi-pro, it will add more diversity to it. Although you can test ball physics, player collisions, stuff like this. The shot mechanic also isn't AS difficult on semi-pro, this is EA's hard-code, something I can't touch.

I'm working on a 4.3. The shooting thus far is like you mentioned. Easier to hit it right at the keeper, but it's harder to score. CPU puts more away thought!! So a warning

NK.

 

[cosminnfs]

Hmm interesting! I will look into this.

Are you a Semi-pro player? Most players' here are world class/legendary. I don't see a problem if you test on semi-pro, it will add more diversity to it. Although you can test ball physics, player collisions, stuff like this. The shot mechanic also isn't AS difficult on semi-pro, this is EA's hard-code, something I can't touch.

I'm working on a 4.3. The shooting thus far is like you mentioned. Easier to hit it right at the keeper, but it's harder to score. CPU puts more away thought!! So a warning

NK.

You say it's not that difficult but as you can see from the video, when i had the original ea gameplay that would have been a goal 1000000% so your
gameplay did influence that particular play/build-up.

And yes I play on semi-pro cause I detest that beastly pressing from the CPU cause it's like I said it's like being harassed by bullies who won't leave you alone and especially cause I like to play fifa like a real match not like an arcade game and so because I play with Barcelona in fifa I want to be able to make 2-3-4 passes, 1-2's you know...Joga-Bonito but I can't even make a pass in professional so....and i kinda insist we play on the same difficulty level cause you can't work with 4 (ok...3) difficulty levels at the same time like one time on semi pro you fix the shooting and on another difficulty level you fix the dribbling. It's not right.

Also I tried some freekicks and the bending is too little it goes almost straight. I think the curl value of the original ea game play is perfect. Try that and I'll tell ya if it's good. Also try and make the ball dip just a litle bit more cause top players really have great fk technique. Also i noticed that as soon as the player hits the ball the keepers is already charging full speed ahead toward the part of the goal where the ball will travel. That's not realistic cause there has to be a delay. Does such a value exist ? If it does set it in a way in that when the ball is over the wall only then the keeper will react cause he can't see the ball behind the wall, can he ? If you could do this the FK will be perfect (at least the direct free kicks on goal)

Allright...I'm through with practicing freekicks. With Ronaldinho against a Seguna Division keeper I haven't managed to score not one goal in real 15 minutes. I tried with holding s h i f t and down arrow, shift and up arrow, with no s h i f t. with outside curl...everything. The keeper always knows where I'm gonna kick it...:X

 

[elhelmiey]

i've just watched my friend just right beside of me playing pes6 on top player mode (the highest difficulty in that game) which is i think really similar to just NK FOOTBALL ©'s semi-pro mode lol
- really lots of space on the field and CPU always use the short pass.. but with very good and brilliant passing. if u watch nowadays matches for example the final UEFA CL between ac milan and liverpool that they dont play as scripted like that. they do more troughpasses, lob troughpasses, crosses and sometimes players like kaka' will try to blast for a goal from a very far range
- bad marking of the ball
- bad marking of the players

AGGRESSIVENESS
pes6<real life<fifa07

 

[jackbauer]

You say it's not that difficult but as you can see from the video, when i had the original ea gameplay that would have been a goal 1000000% so your
gameplay did influence that particular play/build-up.

And yes I play on semi-pro cause I detest that beastly pressing from the CPU cause it's like I said it's like being harassed by bullies who won't leave you alone and especially cause I like to play fifa like a real match not like an arcade game and so because I play with Barcelona in fifa I want to be able to make 2-3-4 passes, 1-2's you know...Joga-Bonito but I can't even make a pass in professional so....and i kinda insist we play on the same difficulty level cause you can't work with 4 (ok...3) difficulty levels at the same time like one time on semi pro you fix the shooting and on another difficulty level you fix the dribbling. It's not right.

Also I tried some freekicks and the bending is too little it goes almost straight. I think the curl value of the original ea game play is perfect. Try that and I'll tell ya if it's good. Also try and make the ball dip just a litle bit more cause top players really have great fk technique. Also i noticed that as soon as the player hits the ball the keepers is already charging full speed ahead toward the part of the goal where the ball will travel. That's not realistic cause there has to be a delay. Does such a value exist ? If it does set it in a way in that when the ball is over the wall only then the keeper will react cause he can't see the ball behind the wall, can he ? If you could do this the FK will be perfect (at least the direct free kicks on goal)

Allright...I'm through with practicing freekicks. With Ronaldinho against a Seguna Division keeper I haven't managed to score not one goal in real 15 minutes. I tried with holding s h i f t and down arrow, shift and up arrow, with no s h i f t. with outside curl...everything. The keeper always knows where I'm gonna kick it...:X

Bottom line...keep the EA original shot mechanic and we're almost home. I really like the 4.0 update. I'm playing on World Class. My only game so far was a 1-0 loss to Chelsea at the Emirates.

 

[gru]

gameplay difficulty?

Hi NK,

Thanks for the great work!

I remember you mentioned a couple of weeks ago some results that you got, like 0:6 to Brazil or something like that. That was really promising!
Personally, thats the main reason why I love your updates - because you can provide challenging gameplay.

WE4 looks good from the beginning but after a couple of matches I noticed the following:
1. Very passive CPU 90% of the time (same as before actually). It seems to be capable of playing well but it look like it doesn't want to : ). I am not sure what exactly triggers CPU attacking behaviour on and off.
2. That' probably just a small glitch in WE4 but nasty:
when you run straight at defender without accelerating and just before the contact point your player at 45 angle then defender doesn't attempt to take the ball from you and makes funny round about you move and starts running after you (slowly). This happens all the time and you can end up with like 3-4-5 opposition players running after you. You can take any player with rating 60 and move from your half through any opposition to the box 75% of the time (unless there are occasionally two players in front of you - not just one). The trick is - don't press accelerate button.

I am really worried about the focus of your updates as you now incorporate feedback from people having difficulties playing Barcelona on Semi-pro and asking you to improve Ronaldinho. Or ball jumps to high or defence too tight.

I play on world class difficulty, career mode with club with average ratings around 60 in English Premiership. And any gameplay version after X-R was too easy.
WE4 seemed OK first but glitch No2 described above makes it unplayable.

And CPU aggresiveness in attack is still the weakest point,IMHO.

Thanks mate and good luck,

 

[gru]

Re: gameplay difficulty - some fixes are in 4.2 already

Just a quick update:
after installation of 4.2 glitch no.2 seems to be gone!
Now if you try to go slowly past defender - he actually tries to get the ball or wrestles you to the ground like in good old days of X-R.

Cheers,
Alex

 

[bruno167]

Hi nk.
How can i compress the videos produced by fraps? I have recorded a full match of your gameplay but the file has 1.7GB

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

Just a quick update:
after installation of 4.2 glitch no.2 seems to be gone!
Now if you try to go slowly past defender - he actually tries to get the ball or wrestles you to the ground like in good old days of X-R.

Cheers,
Alex

It's even tougher now! I've reverted back to some good old X-R values that will allow me to pile on the pressure.

And don't worry about the Semi-pro and Legendary levels. These are quite different challenges, I have no problem passing through the best teams on World Class, although now it is much harder.

The testing for WE4, well. Hmmm, I've decided to find new talent. It seems I only get feedback like this when it's out and that is too late. So I need people that can spot this stuff right through the beta stage, hence this idea to bring back 'quick' beta testing.

I personally will see to it that bugs like the one your experienced in WE4 are gone. I can't rely on 2+ testers. Not everyone spots bugs. In fact most people just notice the score-line, or how difficult it was. But not what's really going on and the reasons for, example; An easy goal. The feedback will simply be "scoring was too easy", but why?!?! See, I can't work with that. Because it's them playing THAT specific match, not me. And all for I know my playing style won't show this 'problem' up so I'll think it's fine and release it. See where the problem is?


bruno167; You need Windows movie maker and import the recording (avi file) into that and then do as you want with it in the maker and then have the program compress it and get it out to us wonderful bunch! (although you have it upload it yourself, but that'd be one hell of a program to do that for ya!)

Thanks buddy,
NK.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

downloads WE4.3beta now!

Feedback as always please

Thanks,
NK.

 

[Tizmo]

Hi nk.
How can i compress the videos produced by fraps? I have recorded a full match of your gameplay but the file has 1.7GB

Windows Movie Maker.