some months ago, i spent some time and words here trying to find out peoples' opinion about corinthians world title in 2000.
i got out of the discussion feeling that the world was 'bambinized' - yes, we call bambi sao paulo fans, who are the biggest opponents to the idea that corinthians it is actually a world champion, regardless of playing a libertadores cup...well, that's what happened with france, uruguay, argentina, germany and other countries that staged world cups.
instead of promoting a discussion - no matter if that would be transformed in a board of jokes over corinthians comparing to other clubs, as it happened here, with many germany club fans (a certain deisler) being quite rude about how 'big' bayern munich is, i also had to take an uruguayan fan use this space to kinda...hmmm...promote a 'self-help' (is it correct?) or 'confession' session, saying how unfair history had been with uruguay.
man, what a lame discussion. i promised myself don't ever come back here for that, because that made me sick. oh of course...i didn't want to participate in international fights over matters that are officially recognized...just be a little bit less ignorant and read more, and anyone can realize that.
anyway...who cares? i'm gonna post it here, anyway...no matter how much the big wise smart brainiac football guys here find it stupid or wrong. if u wanna disagree, that's ur problem. understand what fifa says about it and if u, south american...obsessed with libertadores, can't recognize it...or u sao paulo fan bambi, will never do it anyway...or u european, don't give a damn...to the hell with all of u.
here are some cuts and highlights from this text of fifa offic. web site:
http://www.fifa.com/en/comp/Clubworld/tournament/0,4133,CWC-2006-104,00.html
The idea to hold a championship to decide the world’s best team was dreamt up in the late 1950s. During those post-WWII years when sport was helping the world come together and soothe painful memories of conflict, football in Europe and South America continued its global dominance.
So as competition club football grew up with the introduction of the European Cup (1955/5) and the Copa Libertadores (1960), it was only natural that the Intercontinental Cup should be a match between clubs from these two distant continents.
But with so much riding on the matches, passions, on and off the pitch, had begun to get out of control by the late 1960s and while South American teams still viewed it as their ultimate club contest, European sides had largely come to regard the annual challenge as being more trouble that it was worth.
With the noble idea seemingly approaching a lingering death, Japan stepped in as saviours in 1980 offering to stage a one-off match, the Toyota Cup in Tokyo (latterly Yokohama).
One thing was missing though – a true world club tournament needed clubs from the whole world.
Continental club championships had long since kicked off in all confederations. First in the North, Central America and the Caribbean (CONCACAF) in 1962, then in Africa (CAF) in 1965, in Asia (AFC) in 1967, while Oceania (OFC) did not organise a tournament until 1999. World class stars were rapidly emerging from these new footballing lands but, unlike Pele in 1962, those top players were disallowed from being able to pit their wits against those from European and South American clubs because of the exclusivity of the championship.
The idea to stage a global club competition pre-dated the ultimate Toyota Cup. Having seen the financial might of European club sides only increase at the end of the 20th century and with the goal of uniting and promoting the game fairly in the football world, FIFA had wrestled with the notion of including a multi-confederation club competition on the international match calendar for some time.
In January 2000 those plans were realised when eight teams contested the first FIFA Club World Championship in Brazil, which was won by Corinthians. The second tournament did not take place as scheduled though as discussions across the globe continued in order to reach a compromise between finding space in an already rich match calendar and upholding the principle of a viable club competition involving champions from each continent.
A solution was reached in 2004. The FIFA Club World Championship would build on the foundations laid by the Toyota Cup with the six continental champions participating in a knockout tournament.
Winners
Intercontinental Cup
1960 Real Madrid
1961 Peñarol
1962 Santos
1963 Santos
1964 Internazionale
.
.
.
.
1977 Boca Juniors
1978 No competition
1979 Olimpia
Toyota Cup
1980 Nacional
1981 Flamengo
1982 Peñarol
1983 Grêmio
.
.
.
1992 São Paulo
1993 São Paulo
.
.
.
2005 São Paulo
FIFA Club World Championship Brazil 2000
Corinthians
remember: fifa said that a true competition should be created and the text 'links' it right after to the WCC in 2000.
more:
http://www.fifa.com/en/comp/Clubworld/tournament/0,6537,CWC-2006-106,00.html
okdok?
i got out of the discussion feeling that the world was 'bambinized' - yes, we call bambi sao paulo fans, who are the biggest opponents to the idea that corinthians it is actually a world champion, regardless of playing a libertadores cup...well, that's what happened with france, uruguay, argentina, germany and other countries that staged world cups.
instead of promoting a discussion - no matter if that would be transformed in a board of jokes over corinthians comparing to other clubs, as it happened here, with many germany club fans (a certain deisler) being quite rude about how 'big' bayern munich is, i also had to take an uruguayan fan use this space to kinda...hmmm...promote a 'self-help' (is it correct?) or 'confession' session, saying how unfair history had been with uruguay.
man, what a lame discussion. i promised myself don't ever come back here for that, because that made me sick. oh of course...i didn't want to participate in international fights over matters that are officially recognized...just be a little bit less ignorant and read more, and anyone can realize that.
anyway...who cares? i'm gonna post it here, anyway...no matter how much the big wise smart brainiac football guys here find it stupid or wrong. if u wanna disagree, that's ur problem. understand what fifa says about it and if u, south american...obsessed with libertadores, can't recognize it...or u sao paulo fan bambi, will never do it anyway...or u european, don't give a damn...to the hell with all of u.
here are some cuts and highlights from this text of fifa offic. web site:
http://www.fifa.com/en/comp/Clubworld/tournament/0,4133,CWC-2006-104,00.html
The idea to hold a championship to decide the world’s best team was dreamt up in the late 1950s. During those post-WWII years when sport was helping the world come together and soothe painful memories of conflict, football in Europe and South America continued its global dominance.
So as competition club football grew up with the introduction of the European Cup (1955/5) and the Copa Libertadores (1960), it was only natural that the Intercontinental Cup should be a match between clubs from these two distant continents.
But with so much riding on the matches, passions, on and off the pitch, had begun to get out of control by the late 1960s and while South American teams still viewed it as their ultimate club contest, European sides had largely come to regard the annual challenge as being more trouble that it was worth.
With the noble idea seemingly approaching a lingering death, Japan stepped in as saviours in 1980 offering to stage a one-off match, the Toyota Cup in Tokyo (latterly Yokohama).
One thing was missing though – a true world club tournament needed clubs from the whole world.
Continental club championships had long since kicked off in all confederations. First in the North, Central America and the Caribbean (CONCACAF) in 1962, then in Africa (CAF) in 1965, in Asia (AFC) in 1967, while Oceania (OFC) did not organise a tournament until 1999. World class stars were rapidly emerging from these new footballing lands but, unlike Pele in 1962, those top players were disallowed from being able to pit their wits against those from European and South American clubs because of the exclusivity of the championship.
The idea to stage a global club competition pre-dated the ultimate Toyota Cup. Having seen the financial might of European club sides only increase at the end of the 20th century and with the goal of uniting and promoting the game fairly in the football world, FIFA had wrestled with the notion of including a multi-confederation club competition on the international match calendar for some time.
In January 2000 those plans were realised when eight teams contested the first FIFA Club World Championship in Brazil, which was won by Corinthians. The second tournament did not take place as scheduled though as discussions across the globe continued in order to reach a compromise between finding space in an already rich match calendar and upholding the principle of a viable club competition involving champions from each continent.
A solution was reached in 2004. The FIFA Club World Championship would build on the foundations laid by the Toyota Cup with the six continental champions participating in a knockout tournament.
Winners
Intercontinental Cup
1960 Real Madrid
1961 Peñarol
1962 Santos
1963 Santos
1964 Internazionale
.
.
.
.
1977 Boca Juniors
1978 No competition
1979 Olimpia
Toyota Cup
1980 Nacional
1981 Flamengo
1982 Peñarol
1983 Grêmio
.
.
.
1992 São Paulo
1993 São Paulo
.
.
.
2005 São Paulo
FIFA Club World Championship Brazil 2000
Corinthians
remember: fifa said that a true competition should be created and the text 'links' it right after to the WCC in 2000.
more:
http://www.fifa.com/en/comp/Clubworld/tournament/0,6537,CWC-2006-106,00.html
okdok?
) and they consider these wins to be their greatest acomplishments (as much as libertadores)
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