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Okay seriously...

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zimismygod

Club Supporter
I've been lurking for a while and I have posted a couple of times but all I have read is ranting and raving about how this game sucks and they don't even try. Do any of you know what goes into coding a game, muchless a multi-console sports game???

Everyone wants a new one every year, and so does EA or they don't remain competitive, which means less money, and less funding for the next game. They probably have about 10-11 months to finalize the game so it can be released. With games like Madden and NHL they will get bigger budgets, because they sell tons and have been around longer (Madden 15 years/NHL 12 years)

So in 10-11 months they have to write the base code, the menu interface, do the faces, kits, ball physics, AI, controls, animations, IGM, new free kick system, new corner kick system, stadiums, leagues, stats, player specific moves, rosters, crowds, commentary(and have it follow the play of the game), console specific base code so the game will run, plus try to add more new features that people want, compile (which can take hours depending on how big the code is), playtest, debug, recode parts, compile, playtest, repeat, repeat, repeat. This all takes a lot of time even with 50 people working on the game.

If you want to see how long a simple program takes to code alone, write a program in C++ with a GUI and a button that will draw a high-res fractal.

With millions of lines of code to write, debug and get to all work together this isn't easy, trust me . *sigh*

And as for the PES/FIFA arguments each company went different ways with their base code, (licensing, gameplay, etc.) Deal with it and buy the one you like more and plaese shut up about it.

All better now....
 
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simcut

Youth Team
did they have monkeys doing the playtesting???

I just spotted another bug, in the bottom of the screen the crowd face the wrong way, they are looking the opposite way to the pitch, LMAO! omg.... :|
 
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ishan1990

Senior Squad
Footie's right, it's a long and hard proccess to make a game. It's even more time consuming than madden, because there are more players, leagues and teams. EA did a great job.
 
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ey215

Club Supporter
Re: Okay seriously...

Originally posted by zimismygod
I've been lurking for a while and I have posted a couple of times but all I have read is ranting and raving about how this game sucks and they don't even try. Do any of you know what goes into coding a game, muchless a multi-console sports game???

Everyone wants a new one every year, and so does EA or they don't remain competitive, which means less money, and less funding for the next game. They probably have about 10-11 months to finalize the game so it can be released. With games like Madden and NHL they will get bigger budgets, because they sell tons and have been around longer (Madden 15 years/NHL 12 years)

So in 10-11 months they have to write the base code, the menu interface, do the faces, kits, ball physics, AI, controls, animations, IGM, new free kick system, new corner kick system, stadiums, leagues, stats, player specific moves, rosters, crowds, commentary(and have it follow the play of the game), console specific base code so the game will run, plus try to add more new features that people want, compile (which can take hours depending on how big the code is), playtest, debug, recode parts, compile, playtest, repeat, repeat, repeat. This all takes a lot of time even with 50 people working on the game.

If you want to see how long a simple program takes to code alone, write a program in C++ with a GUI and a button that will draw a high-res fractal.

With millions of lines of code to write, debug and get to all work together this isn't easy, trust me . *sigh*

And as for the PES/FIFA arguments each company went different ways with their base code, (licensing, gameplay, etc.) Deal with it and buy the one you like more and plaese shut up about it.

All better now....
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This post was good enough that it made me register to post a response.

Well done!
 
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mohawk

Senior Squad
With this thread I was about to cry until I remembered that EA makes millions on Fifa and they are one company that cares the least about their users....
 
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sclink

Club Supporter
stfu if ea cant make football games then it should hand over all the licenses to a company that can (pes3). game programers make alot of money as it is so dont excuse them for doin stupid mistakes:f***:
 
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valioso

Fan Favourite
hand over a license they paid a bunch of money for? lol... riiigghttt... this is business... is all about money.. not only for EA but for Konami, Eidos and whatever other company you want to speak off..
No company really cares about customers.. they care about bottom lines... obviously most companies try to make the best available game possible.. so more people will buy it.. EA sells millions off games just by being EA so they have gotten lazy over the few yrs and I think are trying to right the ship... but you cant go from nothing to everything in 11 months... it used to take 11 months to create a game back in the times of the sega genesis.. and now technology is much more complex..AI is more complex.. everything takes more time, but we still expect the games to be ready in the same amount of time...
 
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mohawk

Senior Squad
valioso: EA have whole developing teams working on different components of the game...and don't tell me they can't come out with an decent game after 11 months because that is total rubbish...just look at the AI in 2004 it looks like they took 5 minutes to code that!

I know EA don't need to care about their users...but at least address user's concerns and address problems after the product has been released...this is not an alien concept...

It seems that as soon as EA has released the game and taken our money thats it for another year and if we want more we will have to shell out what is another flawed product next year....

Thankfully this year for all those PC's users that have had to endure Fifa soccer we have got a choice.
 
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FIFAfreak

Youth Team
Well I agree a lot goes into the games but let's face it... EA has the resources and the talent to put out a better FIFA game... Those guys at EA Canada working on it are English for f**ks sake so I hope it will blow the 2003 version away. (2003 is the best PS 2 version they've put out but even it had major shortcomings).

They should be taking lessons from the team that put out NCAA Football 2004... one of the best EA games I have. Talk about capturing realism and the feel of the college game!!! Not only that but the menus are well designed and the type in small caps is great.

:f***: And another message for EA should be this.... I don't give a crap about having ALL the players rendered realistically down to their EVERY facial hair AND being editable!!! Talk about a waste of time and space... none of this matters when you play the game the majority of the time in stadium/wide view camera mode. Put more stadiums in you fools and stop focusing all your attention on getting Henry's face rendering right!!
 
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Hamilton

Youth Team
If this is true then they need to stop pushing unfinished products out of the door and complete a single decent game first... maybe it will win back some of EA's fanbase...
 
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valioso

Fan Favourite
Originally posted by FIFAfreak
And another message for EA should be this.... I don't give a crap about having ALL the players rendered realistically down to their EVERY facial hair AND being editable!!! Talk about a waste of time and space... none of this matters when you play the game the majority of the time in stadium/wide view camera mode. Put more stadiums in you fools and stop focusing all your attention on getting Henry's face rendering right!!
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you personally may not.. and a lot of people personally may not.. but obviosuly the majority of the people do. you have to appeal to the masses..
 
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zimismygod

Club Supporter
:rolleyes: *sigh* not to beat a dead horse, but seriously if anyone says it's possible to do everything the people in these forums want done in 11 months you are cracked. Remember the people who code these games have lives, I doubt they are there 24/7 coding. They add what features they can and put the rest in for the next year, patience people. Must not be a lot of programmers in here.
 
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Elder

Starting XI
I think FIFA is EA's 2nd or 3rd top selling game. Last years sold over 4 million, and that was AFTER selling over 2 million of the World Cup game that came out the same year. Obviously they are doing something right to sell so many copies. I do know from reading their financial statements that making FIFA the best soccer game was their number 2 Priority for the company as a WHOLE. That is saying something. Some may not like it, but I liked this post.

Ps. The number one priority? Something to do with Harry Potter... So think about that for a minute.. FIFA 2004 was the most important sports game for them to make this year.
 
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ngyc

Fan Favourite
i agree making a games is totally not a easy works. just a little simply program like LAN communication system will take you a month to create. how about games? there have plenty of things you need to program, debug and reprogram again. i do agree footie points, we want new every year and it wasn't easy to program a whole new game and system in just 11 months. if they delay, we complain the release date. they release on time, we complain they giving us rubbish.

who say graphics doesn't matter? think a little deeper, will you like to play a game just only have good gameplay, but graphics look worst? you like a crappy stadium, the crowd like adboards, interface is messy and you can't even find the next button or a player name is thiery henry but look like a 60 years old, old folks? surely you don't want that right? every single element will makes the game look better, graphics, gameplay, value all are the elements. you just can't say you want a best gameplay but all the things you may left away. do you think it will worth for you when you buy a game?

i agree that ea in certain way they disappointed us, some fun feature they took out from the game. what we can do is hope ea team gather our view and customer needed to create the next fifa. this is all we can do. why don't we just talk properly and giving respect to ea? stop using those criticism words or rude words to complain.

just calm down yourself, we do have rights to make complain but just complain correctly. rude words, criticism phrase is bad. think yourself as a programmer in fifa, will you like to listen those rude words or politely complain?
 
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CODAVE

Youth Team
They can easily change many peoples opinions by fixing what seems to be simple things. >>>>Tweaking the AI in the .ini file, >>>> making the Man Utds and Real Madrids more likely to beat the Partick Thistles and Den Haags when AI creates results>>>>>, and including editing...at least custom tournaments. I can see why console players are frustrated
 
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Snooze

Youth Team
Originally posted by simcut

I just spotted another bug, in the bottom of the screen the crowd face the wrong way, they are looking the opposite way to the pitch, LMAO! omg.... :|
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This is not a bug, but a feature that has been a part of the FIFA series for the past couple of years. I think it's kinda funny, like there's a camera and people will do anything to be on television.
 
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