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[P+R] Manchester United vs Arsenal.
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This whole incident proved to the public that Wenger is a sore loser..Gunners are Gooners and they are NOT unbeatable..being able to admit defeat is something a gentleman should do..btw..i hate the look on Henry when he tried to proclaimed his innocence when he fouled Heinze during the first half..
Wenger wants Ruud action
Arsene Wenger has called on the FA to look again at Ruud van Nistelrooy's first-half challenge on Ashley Cole at Old Trafford on Sunday.
Television replays showed the prolific Manchester United striker slide his boot down Cole's shin as the pair tussled for possession during the 2-0 win which ended Arsenal's 49-game unbeaten run - a challenge which BBC pundit Alan Hansen labelled "a disgrace".
While Sir Alex Ferguson claimed the incident appeared innocuous and was surprised Arsenal were questioning it, Hansen pulled no punches as he assessed the game: "It was nasty, cynical - a disgrace."
Wenger is still furious with van Nistelrooy for his part in Patrick Vieira's dismissal in the corresponding fixture last season.
So, with referee Mike Riley deciding the incident did not even warrant a free-kick - one of a string of decisions from the Leeds official which left Wenger seething - the Frenchman hopes the FA will step in.
"Yes, I would like them to look at it," he said.
"We know how Ruud van Nistelrooy behaves. He can only cheat people - we know him very well."
With Jose Reyes on the end of some tough tackling which Wenger felt Riley did nothing to stamp out meant, he was even further riled when the referee then awarded a penalty against Sol Campbell, even though he appeared to make minimal contact with birthday boy Wayne Rooney.
"Rooney told my players afterwards that he hadn't been touched," complained the Gunners chief.
"But it's the usual thing when you come to play Manchester United and they are in trouble.
"Look at the record of the referee in games involving Manchester United. That tells you all you need to know."
Riley has now awarded the Red Devils seven penalties in as many games, although Wenger did not have an opinion on Cole's foul on Cristiano Ronaldo which should have brought a second spot-kick but brought no award from the referee.
Instead, Wenger turned his fury on United's physical approach, especially the way they appeared to target Reyes.
"These type of tactics are exactly what I expected from Manchester United," said Wenger.
"This is what they always do when they are in a difficult situation and playing against us."
Arsene Wenger has called on the FA to look again at Ruud van Nistelrooy's first-half challenge on Ashley Cole at Old Trafford on Sunday.
Television replays showed the prolific Manchester United striker slide his boot down Cole's shin as the pair tussled for possession during the 2-0 win which ended Arsenal's 49-game unbeaten run - a challenge which BBC pundit Alan Hansen labelled "a disgrace".
While Sir Alex Ferguson claimed the incident appeared innocuous and was surprised Arsenal were questioning it, Hansen pulled no punches as he assessed the game: "It was nasty, cynical - a disgrace."
Wenger is still furious with van Nistelrooy for his part in Patrick Vieira's dismissal in the corresponding fixture last season.
So, with referee Mike Riley deciding the incident did not even warrant a free-kick - one of a string of decisions from the Leeds official which left Wenger seething - the Frenchman hopes the FA will step in.
"Yes, I would like them to look at it," he said.
"We know how Ruud van Nistelrooy behaves. He can only cheat people - we know him very well."
With Jose Reyes on the end of some tough tackling which Wenger felt Riley did nothing to stamp out meant, he was even further riled when the referee then awarded a penalty against Sol Campbell, even though he appeared to make minimal contact with birthday boy Wayne Rooney.
"Rooney told my players afterwards that he hadn't been touched," complained the Gunners chief.
"But it's the usual thing when you come to play Manchester United and they are in trouble.
"Look at the record of the referee in games involving Manchester United. That tells you all you need to know."
Riley has now awarded the Red Devils seven penalties in as many games, although Wenger did not have an opinion on Cole's foul on Cristiano Ronaldo which should have brought a second spot-kick but brought no award from the referee.
Instead, Wenger turned his fury on United's physical approach, especially the way they appeared to target Reyes.
"These type of tactics are exactly what I expected from Manchester United," said Wenger.
"This is what they always do when they are in a difficult situation and playing against us."
Ruud's goal: Was it a penalty?
MANCHESTER United brought Arsenal's long, unbeaten run to an end yesterday with a 2-0 win, but controversy rages over whether the Reds' first, scored by Ruud van Nistelrooy, was a deserved penalty. Here we state the case for and against, then you can have your say.
Ruud van Nistelrooy scored the first goal with a 73rd-minute penalty - but should United have been given the spot-kick in the first place?
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A sharp touch from Wayne Rooney had the beating of England team-mate Sol Campbell on the slippery Old Trafford surface.
The Arsenal man definitely stuck out his left leg and made no contact with the ball as Rooney went to ground.
From referee Mike Riley's position it must have looked a clear penalty.
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Increasingly, top players have developed a worrying knack of looking for contact whenever a leg is left in the tackle - note Robert Pires' crafty piece of gamesmanship which kept Arsenal's unbeaten run going in its early stages against Portsmouth last season, when the Frenchman initiated contact with Dejan Stefanovic to win a spot-kick.
It just may be that the Gunners got a taste of their own medicine yesterday. Campbell left a leg out but the level of contact appeared to be minimal, and Rooney appeared to be going down before any contact was made.
MANCHESTER United brought Arsenal's long, unbeaten run to an end yesterday with a 2-0 win, but controversy rages over whether the Reds' first, scored by Ruud van Nistelrooy, was a deserved penalty. Here we state the case for and against, then you can have your say.
Ruud van Nistelrooy scored the first goal with a 73rd-minute penalty - but should United have been given the spot-kick in the first place?
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A sharp touch from Wayne Rooney had the beating of England team-mate Sol Campbell on the slippery Old Trafford surface.
The Arsenal man definitely stuck out his left leg and made no contact with the ball as Rooney went to ground.
From referee Mike Riley's position it must have looked a clear penalty.
AGAINST
Increasingly, top players have developed a worrying knack of looking for contact whenever a leg is left in the tackle - note Robert Pires' crafty piece of gamesmanship which kept Arsenal's unbeaten run going in its early stages against Portsmouth last season, when the Frenchman initiated contact with Dejan Stefanovic to win a spot-kick.
It just may be that the Gunners got a taste of their own medicine yesterday. Campbell left a leg out but the level of contact appeared to be minimal, and Rooney appeared to be going down before any contact was made.
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If Man Utd were on the wrong side of this I'm sure there would be many Man Utd fans here crying foul.
But I feel we have every right to be sore losers after the ref basically handed the win on a plate. I won't just happily accept that. I would if we were beaten by the better team but that's not the case.
Anyway, we should just accept it and move on. After all we are still 8 points up and get our chance at revenge at Highbury later this season.
Absolutely right, Andrew. We do have a right to complain and be sore losers because as you said, the better team did not win - the referee basically decided the result of the game right from the beginning.
Anyway, if I were a United fan I wouldn't be going home singing my arse off because that performance was not one of a team recovering its form - hardly world-beaters.
Still eight points back and United fans think they've won the bloody Champions League. What, have your standards fallen so low that beating us with the referee as your twelfth man is a now a glorious achievement, a highlight of your season? Get real.
Anyway, if I were a United fan I wouldn't be going home singing my arse off because that performance was not one of a team recovering its form - hardly world-beaters.
Still eight points back and United fans think they've won the bloody Champions League. What, have your standards fallen so low that beating us with the referee as your twelfth man is a now a glorious achievement, a highlight of your season? Get real.
The Press not crucifying Rooney??? Have you seen the Sun today?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/section/0,,3,00.html
I don't read it myself but it is the best selling daily paper in the UK.
Regards to the Ruud incident - that is not on from any professional - but then again we all know how the FA let virtually the whole Arsenal team off last season after those disgraceful scenes.
All the bitching and whinning we are getting from Arsenal fans are that they prove they are sore losers - how many games within their 49 games did they win a suspect penalty or dived to keep the record intact. Basically they got what they deserved - and all man utd fans are happy with the result because of ALL teams Arsenal wanted this record to end too they certainly didn't want it to be ended at Old Trafford and against Man Utd. So it makes the win all the sweeter.
We're not kidding ourselves theres a lot of work to be done - but again Utd have proved that any team that approaches the Gooners with no fear and give it a good go can give them serious issues.
Another good thing is yesterday's result stops the stupied invincible's tag that Arsenal adopted - yes unbeaten last season in the premiership but chickened out in the all the other tournaments.
Aftermath
Ruud van Nistelrooy's challenge on Ashley Cole is set to be studied by The FA, following Manchester United's 2-0 victory over Arsenal on Sunday.
The Dutch striker scored the all-important opener for United from the penalty spot, but was criticised for a high challenge on Cole late in the game.
The FA are set to study video evidence of the incident that left Cole in agony, and could mete out a ban to the striker.
Mike Riley did not hand out any punishment to van Nistelrooy at the time, and the incident is one of several that are set to come under scrutiny by The FA in the coming days.
Post match comments from Gunners boss Arsene Wenger will also be investigated - especially his criticism of Riley.
The governing body will also look into the widely reported tunnel bust-up that allegedly saw soup thrown at Sir Alex Ferguson.
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van Nistelrooy's loss is (Smith/Saha)'s gain. van Nistelrooy had a poor game, even though he scored the penalty. van Nistelrooy could end up as the next Bergkamp.
I don't think Riley has to be blamed for the incidents in the game. Arsneal should have blamed the FA, and if they did their research, they could have lodged an appeal for the change for refs.
Lastly, I can't believe how stupid some fans in my country are. Heard this from the radio by a Man. United fan, "Sorry Arsenal fans, we got the upperhand on you guys this time." This guy is just treating the match like some dumb friendly when it's truly a battle of the big guns.
Ruud van Nistelrooy's challenge on Ashley Cole is set to be studied by The FA, following Manchester United's 2-0 victory over Arsenal on Sunday.
The Dutch striker scored the all-important opener for United from the penalty spot, but was criticised for a high challenge on Cole late in the game.
The FA are set to study video evidence of the incident that left Cole in agony, and could mete out a ban to the striker.
Mike Riley did not hand out any punishment to van Nistelrooy at the time, and the incident is one of several that are set to come under scrutiny by The FA in the coming days.
Post match comments from Gunners boss Arsene Wenger will also be investigated - especially his criticism of Riley.
The governing body will also look into the widely reported tunnel bust-up that allegedly saw soup thrown at Sir Alex Ferguson.
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van Nistelrooy's loss is (Smith/Saha)'s gain. van Nistelrooy had a poor game, even though he scored the penalty. van Nistelrooy could end up as the next Bergkamp.
I don't think Riley has to be blamed for the incidents in the game. Arsneal should have blamed the FA, and if they did their research, they could have lodged an appeal for the change for refs.
Lastly, I can't believe how stupid some fans in my country are. Heard this from the radio by a Man. United fan, "Sorry Arsenal fans, we got the upperhand on you guys this time." This guy is just treating the match like some dumb friendly when it's truly a battle of the big guns.
Yes, thankfully the unbeaten run is over. That is one less burden. 49 games unbeaten is a remarkable effort though and now can go in the record books.
And yes, we are sore losers. And for good reason. Who cares about the undefeated run and what happened then? The fact is, in the game yesterday we were beaten by the ref.
This win for Manure will only make it sweater revenge for us if we beat you at Highbury this season and/or go on to win the title.
I can picture it already, after this game Man Utd will go back to their lacklustre form, Arsenal will be back to their best and will build on their lead again with Man Utd dropping points to clubs they should beat. This game will become a distant memory in the next couple of weeks.
And yes, we are sore losers. And for good reason. Who cares about the undefeated run and what happened then? The fact is, in the game yesterday we were beaten by the ref.
This win for Manure will only make it sweater revenge for us if we beat you at Highbury this season and/or go on to win the title.
I can picture it already, after this game Man Utd will go back to their lacklustre form, Arsenal will be back to their best and will build on their lead again with Man Utd dropping points to clubs they should beat. This game will become a distant memory in the next couple of weeks.
You and I don't read it because it's a piece of shite. Most of their "exclusive" articles are so full of bullshit it's not funny. And even these articles don't hold a candle to what Pires and Arsenal as a whole was copping after the Portsmouth match. Those articles are more of a "oh he's done something wrong, but he's young and our darling Shrek-faced cunt so we'll just let him off this time". Quit kidding yourself.
Disgraceful my arse - I've seen grannies do more damage than Keown's so called "monstering" of van Nistelrooij. Arsenal were given a hefty fine, and a whole heap of suspensions - if you believe what your senile drunk manager says about that incident you need to be shot, too. I'd be laughing if van Nistelrooij even gets a fine for that.
And you wouldn't be whining if the ref gifts the game to the opposing team with dodgy penalties, letting them off with professional fouls and dirty tackles, kicking players out of the game? Pot. Kettle. Black.
I'd say we'd only have that Portsmouth game to count as proper evidence for your "suspect penalties or diving to keep our record intact" claims.
I certainly don't mind the record being ended at Old Trafford, it certainly hurts, yes, but because United are a good team - it's certainly less harsh to deal with than losing it to say, Blackburn or West Brom. And by the way, thanks for taking that burden off our shoulders - have fun trying to go 49 games undefeated. Southampton will face our wrath on Sunday.
Why do we lose that tag? Do we have to keep winning to keep it, now? We've beaten the record the old invincibles of Nottingham Forest set by quite a margin - this team will be remembered as the new invincibles for quite a while. Don't deny that.
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