PES 2 Final Impressions

[capitanpato]

Ok I have played PES Final.

The game is very good. It is better than WE6. It has the gameplay features of JLWE6, the swerve on the passes, etc.

There is only one thing I don't get. Why is the game so damm fast?, Is it because of the PAL 2 NTSC conversion?

I have only played a couple of games though, but the pace is too fast for my taste. Was this the same case in PES?

 

[bulldrig]

what do oyu mean by the pace is to fast?
Is passing, or crossing, or dribbling etc to fast?

Personally i thought the pace in WE6 was fine by me.

Crossing and some moves ( such as when you turn you player ) was way to fast, not realistic, and i hope they have impoved theese things ,but overall the pace was realistic IMO.

The pace of the game has alot to to with the tacticts used the teams also.

One example of a team i hate playing against is Norway.
Cuse first of all their pressure on the ballholder is pain in the ass, you always have 2 players on your tale and its quite impossible to controll the pace of the game in a good way.

Second of all the way they play, the almost always pass the ball forvad, (often longballs) wich makes the game verey tigth intense and chaotic.

IMO KCET needs to work on this.
No team can hold such pressure on the ballholder for 90 minutes, and at the same time it opens up way to much space sometimes.

Same thing if you meet a team that play high defence premier league style, hardly any space in the midfield and huge space between behind the backfour, adn always extreme pressure on the ballholder.

 

[AnaMorph0s|s]

Re: PES 2 Final Impressions

Originally posted by capitanpato
Ok I have played PES Final.

The game is very good. It is better than WE6. It has the gameplay features of JLWE6, the swerve on the passes, etc.

There is only one thing I don't get. Why is the game so damm fast?, Is it because of the PAL 2 NTSC conversion?

I have only played a couple of games though, but the pace is too fast for my taste. Was this the same case in PES?

Sounds good to me. How did it differ from the PES2 demo? Where did you play it?

 

[Fotbalguy]

Re: PES 2 Final Impressions

Originally posted by capitanpato
Ok I have played PES Final.

The game is very good. It is better than WE6. It has the gameplay features of JLWE6, the swerve on the passes, etc.

There is only one thing I don't get. Why is the game so damm fast?, Is it because of the PAL 2 NTSC conversion?

I have only played a couple of games though, but the pace is too fast for my taste. Was this the same case in PES?

Yeah how did u get it..... and please send me a PM or an email.

 

[capitanpato]

Well I haven't played the demo so I wouldn't know how it compares to it.

The whole game seems too fast. Running, passing, kicking, everything. More like an arcade game sorta.

Again, I don't know if it is because I had to apply the NTSC patch. The best speed IMO is on JLWE6, WE6's speed is not bad either, but PES2 is just too fast.

 

[Dragoncity2002]

just change the setting for game speed !? to low or whatever !"

 

[bulldrig]

can you change the game speed?
exellent!

 

[MisterX_K]

u cant change the gamespeed.

 

[arthur]

WE6 is way too fast to be realistic and I'm really disappointed to hear PES2 is not any slower. Try watching a game on WE6 then watch a real football match...there's a stark contrast in speed. WE6 is about 20% faster than real-life football.

You get used to the fast play but I'd much rather have a gamespeed slider back!!!

 

[the_man]

Originally posted by arthur
WE6 is way too fast to be realistic and I'm really disappointed to hear PES2 is not any slower. Try watching a game on WE6 then watch a real football match...there's a stark contrast in speed. WE6 is about 20% faster than real-life football.

You get used to the fast play but I'd much rather have a gamespeed slider back!!!

Yeah, the gamespeed slider would be perfect. However, what is fast about WE6 gameplay? I mean, I think the speed of the game is perfectly fine, if not a tad bit on the slow side because of stuck players or players running on rails. In terms of speed, I don't like the way that we are constantly pressed by the AI, like when my defenders have the ball on top of my own box, you know, just bringing it out, what's up with the forwards pressing the life out of them. The line for pressing is way too high up the field. Hence, making me think helta skelter thruout the game.

 

[Perth Glory]

Originally posted by the_man
Yeah, the gamespeed slider would be perfect. However, what is fast about WE6 gameplay? I mean, I think the speed of the game is perfectly fine, if not a tad bit on the slow side because of stuck players or players running on rails. In terms of speed, I don't like the way that we are constantly pressed by the AI, like when my defenders have the ball on top of my own box, you know, just bringing it out, what's up with the forwards pressing the life out of them. The line for pressing is way too high up the field. Hence, making me think helta skelter thruout the game.

Exactly...no team can pressure as much as they do in WE6 for 90 minutes, its just physically impossible. Then as you say this gives very little time to play the ball out from the back.

I'm sure I've read that PES2 will be slightly slower than WE6.

 

[capitanpato]

Perth: Actually PES2 is way faster than We6. Again, I dunno if this is because I had to patch it with a PAL 2 NTSC, but if it doesn't, then this is a big disappointment.

Guess I'll just wait for WE6 Final Evolution

 

[Perth Glory]

Originally posted by capitanpato
Perth: Actually PES2 is way faster than We6. Again, I dunno if this is because I had to patch it with a PAL 2 NTSC, but if it doesn't, then this is a big disappointment.

Guess I'll just wait for WE6 Final Evolution

Wasn't doubting your judgement
Just alot of previews have stated that PES2 will be marginally slower than WE6, but they are previews so who knows. I've heard that NTSC 2 PAl conversions slows the game down so hopefully its the patching thats the problem.

Yer I don't know whether I should get PES2 or WE6 FE...

 

[katata]

Pal is 25 fram/sec ntsc is 30 fram/sec
PES2 is pal so its normaly faster if u convert it to ntsc

 

[bulldrig]

Originally posted by arthur
WE6 is way too fast to be realistic and I'm really disappointed to hear PES2 is not any slower. Try watching a game on WE6 then watch a real football match...there's a stark contrast in speed. WE6 is about 20% faster than real-life football.

You get used to the fast play but I'd much rather have a gamespeed slider back!!!

I dont know what version you have but the game is at perfect pace for me. the only thing that goes to fast is little stufs like crossing ( wich i hear been improved?) and some moves with the player.

About the pressing. Hmm sure it can be alittle bit annoying but high pressing is part of football today. I would just like a little bit less arggresive forvads from the opponents but thats it ,really.

If they reduced the pressing to much, would the cpu even be able to get the ball?
Even playing at extreme i can get ball possesion of over 75 % sometimes, and be ablde to hold on to the ball for minutes and i dont enjoy that at all.

 

[arthur]

My comment was that the game is much faster than real life. I find that if I watch a real game of footy on TV, then turn on WE6, WE6 looks like it's on fast forward. That's not a comment on the playability, its a comment on how realistic the pace is.

KCET have paced the WE6 at a speed which is probably equivalent to the fastest setting on the old ISS PE2 speed slider. I always preferred to play with the slider at half or slight below half speed. I'm just disappointed that they took that great option away.

 

[theCRO]

Originally posted by arthur
My comment was that the game is much faster than real life. I find that if I watch a real game of footy on TV, then turn on WE6, WE6 looks like it's on fast forward. That's not a comment on the playability, its a comment on how realistic the pace is.

KCET have paced the WE6 at a speed which is probably equivalent to the fastest setting on the old ISS PE2 speed slider. I always preferred to play with the slider at half or slight below half speed. I'm just disappointed that they took that great option away.

Which view to you use>? I find that on the default view (middle) the game tends to seem a lot faster, but on the wide view it looks allright. I remember back on PS1 I used to alo play on the slower speed, a little below half. But what if you wanna play a mate and he always plays fastest, but you play below half? that could be tricky, they have to decide the pace and stick with it, a realistic one. I find we6 pace good, depends on the teams you're using also.

 

[Mr C]

My initial impressions of the gameplay:

1. speed-Definatly faster than WE6(running on a pal machine)
2. Shooting-Seems a lot easier to do a powerfull shot without blazing it over the bar
3. Passing-ground passes have after touch on them and feel quite acurate. Lobbed passes seem slower than previous games, but seem pretty effective. They seem to float more. Crosses seem to have more pace on them though. The through ball also seems to have a bit more pace on, although htis could of just been me using it effectively.
4. Tackling-The standing tackle doesn't feel as accurate as before, which i think is a good thing. Players seem able to keep possession more even if you attemp a standing tackle on them, Players seem to fight each other for the ball more too without the whistle blowing every 2 seconds. Sliding tackle doesn't appear to have changed.
5. Headers-Headers from goal kicks etc. Seem easier to control and direct, although the ball flys off at 100mph sometimes. Headed shots on goal seem more difficult though.
6. Freekicks-Close range freekicks seem harder to keep low than before, and seem to move at quite a pace even when pressing down on pad at same time. Further distance kicks seem pretty much the same as before.
7. Dribbling-This seems much improved, It seem a lot easier to take people on, and feels very responsive to the anologue stick, giving some excellent close control.
8. Sound- Not very impressed by the sound so far, doesn't sound as good as WE6 and you can hear the crowd samples looping(although i've only tried a few teams out so far)THe pitch sounds are fine though(Including the lovely twang when you smack one against the bar)
9. Commentary-Definatly an improvement from PES, but doesn't seem to have the enthusiasm of WE6(even though i couldn't understand it)Already found it repeating alot and there are some very strange expressions in there, for instance straight from kick off i made a break down the right wing with Beckham and swung a cross in and the Mr Brackley said" thats a similar ball"Uh? similar to what?The one you played with last week
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   O.K thats my first impressions of the game. Ive played about 20 matches on it now and am starting to get used to the feel of it. I've gone from thinking "hmmm not sure i like this" to "Yeh I love this game" Its the same story with all the previous games really, the more you play the more you get from it. I think the biggest test of this game will be to playit for a week solid, then go back to WE6 or PES and then you will realise how much of an improvement it is.

 

[capitanpato]

Well I guess the game IS faster than WE6 according to Mr. C

Your "impressions" are right on. Seems to me like it is the same as JLWE6 but on "turbo mode" for some reason.

People who have played JLWE6 will notice how much better the speed on that game is compared to PES2. To me, it makes all the difference in the world, not only does it make the game look more realistic, it gives you time to build up play, to look around the pitch and find the open man.

Too bad. Don't get me wrong, it is still an excellent game

 

[ps2]

I've been reading a lot about the PES2 demo. Apparently the game doesn't play like we6(wich i own); seems like we6 is better...

Anyway, i'm sure that the game just feels different and in no time we will all be playing PES2 and saying that we can't go back to we6. There is something that bothers me big time:

-ball physics: it seems that every ISS/PES games have a lighter ball than the WEx games . What i'd like to know is this: does the ball looks like an helium balloon like in PES, or is it still possible to score from 30m out like in we6, without having to blast a rocket of a shot into the top corner?