Just got my PES4 today. 50hz makes the game seems faster. 60hz is like WE8. English Premier League teams updated. (WBA, Palace....)However not all transfers are in there. (Not much of a concern since option files and patch will be avaialble) Gameplay-wise not much different. Maybe a slight difference in the feeling. (not much, around 0.5%) The command lists don't tell much thing. Only the basic controls are in there. The flick(the one where u flick the right analog down up) is abit different. Unlike in WE8, it's easier to do but on PES4 you have to flick it slightly. There's the things I notice so far. Will only sart on the masterleague when a decent option file or patch is released. Oh yeah, the commentary is even worst than in WE7IJ.