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QotW: Can a manager be out of form?
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I think so yeah but I'm not sure it's the same as being out of form as much as time for a change. Take Rafa Benitez at Liverpool. We won a lot under him but people forget that the way we often played bordered on complete shite. Eventually the pressure grew both on results and the way of playing and Rafa's time had come to end. From there, he's gone from strength to strength and was now wanted back by some fans last month.
I'm not sure if that constitutes a 'lack of form' or whether that due to a number of pressures (media influences, style of play, dressing-room backing, board backing) his position eventually became untenable.
I'm not sure if that constitutes a 'lack of form' or whether that due to a number of pressures (media influences, style of play, dressing-room backing, board backing) his position eventually became untenable.
3 trophies at Madrid in 3 years with the best squad at that time (a disaster in his last season) + trophyless (if I'm wrong, correct me) in his first season at Chelsea after Madrid. yet some people still say he's the number one, the special one bullshit and their argument is that Mou won 2 UCLs with 2 different teams.
He did do that, though. He also won the domestic titles in every country he's been in and made uncompetitive sides CL champs while always challenging for titles with Madrid and Chelsea.
You don't judge form through titles because there are too many variants and even the best can't win it all.
Who are the managers who are better than Mou right now, per your opinion?
You don't judge form through titles because there are too many variants and even the best can't win it all.
Who are the managers who are better than Mou right now, per your opinion?
the scales being looked at so far are season-long, and the measure has generally been trophies ...
but I think I'd take the analysis in a different direction:
how is form for a manager analyzed over the course of the season, without merely looking at trophies at the end of it? is a team's form correlated to the manager's?
for example, Liverpool have twice, in 2 seasons, produced an unbeaten streak around the midpoint of the season ... does that have something to do with the festive period bringing out the best in Brendan Rodgers, and thus his Liverpool side?
or is a manager's form not even gauged on results, but pure performance, with end product being down to the quality, or lack thereof, at a manager's disposal?
last season, for example, it was Inter and Roma -- not Juve -- who dominated possession stats in Serie A ... passing stats also favor Roma and Inter ... but when it came to closing games out, when it came to being ruthless at the business end of the pitch, both sides went through patches of success and failure ... does that reflect on the management form of Rudi Garcià and Roberto Mancini? or is that going to be harshly dismissed as a lack of acumen?
but I think I'd take the analysis in a different direction:
how is form for a manager analyzed over the course of the season, without merely looking at trophies at the end of it? is a team's form correlated to the manager's?
for example, Liverpool have twice, in 2 seasons, produced an unbeaten streak around the midpoint of the season ... does that have something to do with the festive period bringing out the best in Brendan Rodgers, and thus his Liverpool side?
or is a manager's form not even gauged on results, but pure performance, with end product being down to the quality, or lack thereof, at a manager's disposal?
last season, for example, it was Inter and Roma -- not Juve -- who dominated possession stats in Serie A ... passing stats also favor Roma and Inter ... but when it came to closing games out, when it came to being ruthless at the business end of the pitch, both sides went through patches of success and failure ... does that reflect on the management form of Rudi Garcià and Roberto Mancini? or is that going to be harshly dismissed as a lack of acumen?
Mus;3826546 said:
They both have 5 trophies in the last 5 years, plus UCL final for Simeone. Mourinho had the best squad in the world at Madrid plus a great Chelsea now.
Not to mention Mou's epic fail vs PSG...
Mourinho is top 3, I wanted him ar Barça before Lucho, but don't deny there aren't people who say he's the best atm because of his performances as a coach with Inter and Porto.
Inter won treble with Mou and they miserably failed after he left ...
Mou was the one with solution against Barca's tiki taka ... he was unlucky in his Madrid term ... still the first manager who won the league with 100 points ...
Mou is genius ... no doubt about it ... his record against top teams like United, Arsenal, Liverpool and City is super impressive ...
Mou was the one with solution against Barca's tiki taka ... he was unlucky in his Madrid term ... still the first manager who won the league with 100 points ...
Mou is genius ... no doubt about it ... his record against top teams like United, Arsenal, Liverpool and City is super impressive ...
