Questions On Video Card?

[ikkenenderikke]

Don't forget that much depends on your CPU and RAM also! If your computer is too slow, you won't fully benefit from your graphics card.

 

[TottiNZidaneR#1]

Originally posted by ikkenenderikke


Zidane's 9600 XT is a little bit better then the 9600 Pro so I guess the game will run smooth on a 9600 Pro.

I advice you to give a little bit more money on a good card, then buy an average card that needs to be replaced after a year. Believe me, it's worth it.

Yep thats what i said, if i am gonna by a video card might as well be nice so it lasts me 1-2 years before i buy a new one and plus i get HL 2 with this card

 

[cachucho]

Hi!
The Ati 9100 radeon 128mb DDR with clock's 250 MHZ , and bandwidth memory 128 ,bits it's a good card to run with PES3 ?
with resolution?

answers would be appreciated

 

[ponging]

The demo only playable on 640x480 on my computer.

Machine Spec.
AMD 1900+XP
sapphire radeon 9000 128M
catalyst 3.8.
448M SD RAM.
80 G. HD.

It is okay to set graphic quality to high.
But the game is slowing down noticably when i try to increase the resolution( Even 848 x 480).

I guess the game need radeon 9500 or higher to run at 1024*768 or higher

 

[Awax]

what about GFX 5600 ? the game crashes to the desktop as soon as the konami logo disappears...

 

[arcturuz]

my GeforceFX5200 card runs PES 3 like ****... its unplayable. I can play the demo fine, but is struggling to run the full version properly.
my bro's Geforce Ti4200 runs the full version like a dream. 1024x768, high quality, constant fps..no slowdowns
muhahaha 5200 sux ****

 

[Perth Glory]

Posted these in other thread may aswell post em here too

Like PES3, both directx8.1 games.

 

[sanblaster]

Well......



Let me tell you something:

I've got a PIV 2533 Mhz, 512 Mb RAM and a GForce FX 5200. I've got some of the most demanding games. Plus, I'm usually logged into the internet with filesharing programs on, which you know they are a big resource hog.

I've played C & C : Generals at highest resolutions with almost all the details on.
I've played NFS: Hot Pursuit 2 at 1200*960 32bit resolution (I've got a 20 inch monitor). It runs amazingly fast.
I've played Splinter cell at 1024*768 with almost all details turned on. It runs great (a little bit stutter when fire & transparencies are on screen)
I've played Vice City with ALL on and never saw any glitch or performance slowdown.
I'm currently playing Freedom Fighters and it runs sweet (at highest resolutions of course).


I get slowdowns with PES3 demo at 800*600 and high detail on.


And know what? I've experienced this before with another game. The same all of a sudden slowdowns & boosts. Guess what game it was?



Metal Gear Solid 2. Made by Konami. Ported from the PS2 version.


So, my conclusion is that Geforce FX 5200 are not sh1t. Just Konami programmers are a little bit lazy when it comes to make their code more efficient. It sounds like a joke to me. What's the PS2 core speed? 300 Mhz? What's the PS2 graphics card?



Bah. I'm still buying the game this friday. But Konami people should take a little more caring into this kind of things..

 

[Ashy]

sanblaster, im sorry but your wrong, ive built enough pcs for people with a 5200 in it (they didnt play that many games so it was a good budget card) and there is no way that you can play vice city or splinter cell at what you call 'the highest resolutions' with everything on and not see crap framerates. it simply isnt possible. if you dont believe me go email some of the more respected hardware site ie anandtech and they will laugh at you. so please dont go misleading people into thinking they have a decent card to play new games with high settings...

back to the game, it works fine on mine and i think a lot of the initial problems (mainly nvidia) are driver related. it seems the game doesnt like the forceware drivers that much so for the time being id avoid those.

as said throughout the thread, you cant go wrong really with anything above a 9500 pro or a geforcefx 5600. anything below and you are going to struggle. its the same for all new games so dont go slagging off the programmers just because your hardware isnt up to it. if your on a budget and cant afford the above then look out for some cheap geforce4 ti4200 or above. stay away from anything with MX in the title.

 

[sanblaster]

Originally posted by Ashy
....its the same for all new games so dont go slagging off the programmers just because your hardware isnt up to it.

I don't think nobody's slagging the programmers. At least it's not my case. Any standard PC from one year ago is 5 times better than a PS2 hardware. Can you explain me why the Konami ports run so bad for so much people?

Originally posted by Ashy
sanblaster, im sorry but your wrong, ive built enough pcs for people with a 5200 in it (they didnt play that many games so it was a good budget card) and there is no way that you can play vice city or splinter cell at what you call 'the highest resolutions' with everything on and not see crap framerates. it simply isnt possible. if you dont believe me go email some of the more respected hardware site ie anandtech and they will laugh at you. so please dont go misleading people into thinking they have a decent card to play new games with high settings...

When I speak of "high settings" I'm referring to 1024*768 resolutions. I only play at 1200*960 resolutions in Freedom Fighters and NFS: Hot Pursuit 2. I don't remember which resolution did I use for Vice City, tho (I think it was 1200*960 too). I usually put graphic details to an 80%. I mean, I turn the graphic details slider in the config menu almost reaching the top. With all the games. I remember turning 1600*1200 in Generals and getting a continuous slowdown. But at 1200*960 it runs fine.


I don't work for NVIDIA. I don't give a crap if they sell more or less video cards. I'm only talking about my experience. I didn't have any problem with any game (performance related) until I played MGS2 and PES3.


About the hardware comparisons and graphs..... oh well, it's the same old story. Radeons got better fps, but hey, as long as I got my 35 fps I don't need anything more. Robot Eyesight anyone?

 

[Ashy]

i never said you worked for nvidia, i dont have a preference either way for video cards. ive currently got a 9800 pro but have gone through every geforce range up until the **** fx ones came out. so i couldnt care what make of card is in my pc as long as it does the job.

not slagging off programmers?

Just Konami programmers are a little bit lazy when it comes to make their code more efficient

hmm...

another thing, you cannot compare a ps2 to a pc. it is in no way the same at all, a completely different architecture. for a start ps2s run all games for tv resolution. which is lower than 640 res. even plasma tvs, your trying considerably higher than that for a start, they also dont have to contend with an operating system eating away the available memory etc. so in other words it doesnt need a monster processor etc.

and one again, there is no way using a 5200 you ran Vice City in 1200*960 smoothly. it simply isnt possible. its not a case of seeing it through robotic eyes. see how people mention stuttering in games? thats called a drop in framerate. is over 3/4 of the people posting on here robotic? or do they just have the ability to see **** hardware not coping with what its moving round the screen?

graphs and benchmarks mean **** all to me mate, im talking about real world performance, hence me knowing a 5200 cannot perform anywhere near the limits new games require. do you think the people who bench and review stuff just make up graphs? or do you think they actually try the game and measure it running to get those results?

duh

 

[cachucho]

And with an Ati Radeon 9100 , 128 MB DDR , the game work's fine or not?

Please anyone can answer my question?

Thank's

 

[Ashy]

i should work mate, but not that well unfortunately. the card isnt that powerful. have you tried the demo, i suggest you give that a go and update to the latest drivers

 

[litmanen#10]

Originally posted by Ashy
i never said you worked for nvidia, i dont have a preference either way for video cards. ive currently got a 9800 pro but have gone through every geforce range up until the **** fx ones came out. so i couldnt care what make of card is in my pc as long as it does the job.

not slagging off programmers?



hmm...

another thing, you cannot compare a ps2 to a pc. it is in no way the same at all, a completely different architecture. for a start ps2s run all games for tv resolution. which is lower than 640 res. even plasma tvs, your trying considerably higher than that for a start, they also dont have to contend with an operating system eating away the available memory etc. so in other words it doesnt need a monster processor etc.

and one again, there is no way using a 5200 you ran Vice City in 1200*960 smoothly. it simply isnt possible. its not a case of seeing it through robotic eyes. see how people mention stuttering in games? thats called a drop in framerate. is over 3/4 of the people posting on here robotic? or do they just have the ability to see **** hardware not coping with what its moving round the screen?

graphs and benchmarks mean **** all to me mate, im talking about real world performance, hence me knowing a 5200 cannot perform anywhere near the limits new games require. do you think the people who bench and review stuff just make up graphs? or do you think they actually try the game and measure it running to get those results?

duh

Youre talking crap dude, you know just as well as anybody else what that guy meant, youre just raping him on minor things he said wrong if he did even. All the best new pc games are at least playable if you dont pump them to max detail and res with the lower end graphic cards. PES3 isnt playable at all with lower end cards no matter what you do . You need a high or very high end card to run it. And the whole port and ps2 architecture thing shouldnt be my problem, but konami made it the problem of people who dont have money coming out of their asses (figure of speech) . So just cause some people arent rich , they need to pay for it by not being able to play pes3 eh? Even EA makes games so that most people can play them. Im pretty sure 60% of the pc community wont be able to run pes3 on their systems. While maybe that percentage would be 30% for Fifa or maybe even less. Also not building in online play , eventhough it isnt all that hard for pc based games, is a big pile of konami bs.

 

[Ashy]

if thats the case why is it playable on a geforce 4 ti4200 for example, which now is definately a bargain card. it can be found for £60 if you look around.

everyone knows the mx range of cards are **** and was nvidias way of fleecing people for money with their misleading naming of the cards. so if you want to blame anyone then blame nvidia in that case.

as i said ive built enough low end systems for people who have then gone on to say games wouldnt work properly or it was buggy/crashed. why is this? a budget gfx card.

so i believe you are actually talking crap mate...

 

[jig]

Originally posted by litmanen#10
So just cause some people arent rich , they need to pay for it by not being able to play pes3 eh?

I don't want to get into this debate, but one thing to note is that if you can afford a Geforce FX 5200, you can certainly afford a decent card. It's just that the 5200 isn't a decent card.

 

[Ashy]

my point precisely, he is blaming konami because people didnt research into what they where buying. it was a well known fact that the lower end nvidia cards where in fact RUBBISH

 

[sanblaster]

Originally posted by Ashy
my point precisely, he is blaming konami because people didnt research into what they where buying. it was a well known fact that the lower end nvidia cards where in fact RUBBISH

Ok.



I'll stop it here. I find stupid trying to convince you that I can run it properly. I bothered myself in running Vice City @ 1200*960 resolution with almost all details on. It ran great. I stole a bike and smashed myself into a car just to see the guy flying. No slowdown. No stutter. It would be great if you lived near me just to show you I'm not lying. Whatever, arguing for the f.uck of it isn't funny, at least for me. I could go out now and buy a Radeon 9800 or whatever the high level ATI card is right now.


About the PS2/PC comparison, are you trying to say that the windows xp kernel resources need more than 2000 Mhz? I don't think so. Unless you have a zillion resident programs.


And I do agree with you. Geforce FX 5200 cards maybe are crappy in comparison with ATI's, but they still are capable of running games smoothly in medium-high detail settings. At least mine! I haven't seen other people's FX 5200 cards.


FYI, I have a Winfast A340 (S340 maybe, I don't exactly remember right now). Maybe it was built with a Radeon core .