::rap Thread::

[ShiftyPowers]

Ether basically won the whole thing for Nas. Takeover was good, but Ether... And its almost universally acknowledged that Nas did get the better of Jay-Z. His response to Ether was nowhere near Takeover and it went way too far, I think.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter now since they're not trying to kill each other anymore.

In fact with Jay-Z wanting to be on the Kanye remix of We Major, the stage is being set for a Jay-Z and Nas dis on 50.

 

[Kulixs]

I think he calls Nas out as well on that video? Hence Nas' MC Burial?

Nas has come out with "Dont body ya self" sampling John Legends "Ordinary people", and its not exactly Ether standard. But saying that, it doesnt need to be to beat 50 cent. For people to say Nas got the better of Jay Z isn't exactly correct in my opinion, on "takeover" Jay Z gave Nas one verse from the song, and it ripped him apart. Nas dedicated multiple songs to Jay Z, and why is it only one of them is spoke about? (Ether) Takeover is a legendary diss song, but the difference between Jay Z and Nas is Jay Z has talent in every song, the same thing can't be said for Nas. Hes resting on Illmatic, he can't match it. Yeah maybe Ether is arguably the best diss song ever, but HE needs to get over it. "They say Jada defeated him, Joe's too street for him, whats next i guess is for Nas to Ether him" , he needs to get past that song, release something of the same standard and stop resting on what you've done in the past.

 

[Frostwolf]

For people to say Nas got the better of Jay Z isn't exactly correct in my opinion, on "takeover" Jay Z gave Nas one verse from the song, and it ripped him apart.

If you want to put it that way, then Ether shot Jay and Roc-A-Fella six times in both kneecaps, dissected them and buried them while they were still breathing. Takeover is great but man.. Ether is on another WORLD. It's vicious and clever. It kickstarted Stillmatic.

Nas dedicated multiple songs to Jay Z, and why is it only one of them is spoke about?

Er, Jay was the one that started the whole hoo-ha. He's also made quite a few tracks calling Nas out, but why is Takeover the only one mentioned?

(Ether) Takeover is a legendary diss song, but the difference between Jay Z and Nas is Jay Z has talent in every song, the same thing can't be said for Nas.

You obviously haven't heard anything from In My Lifetime then. Like Nas, jay has had a few mediocre albums as well as classics. To say that every song by Jay is fantastic is just pfft. I actually consider Jay to have suffered more from repetition and inconsistency than Nas. (In My Lifetime, Life and Times of S.Carter, Blueprint 2)

Hes resting on Illmatic, he can't match it.

Jay can't match Blueprint, what's your point? is Jay resting on that album, too then?

Yeah maybe Ether is arguably the best diss song ever, but HE needs to get over it. "They say Jada defeated him, Joe's too street for him, whats next i guess is for Nas to Ether him" , he needs to get past that song, release something of the same standard and stop resting on what you've done in the past.

You mention one of your older songs and you're resting on your laurels? Ether is one of his best songs, everybody knows it, and the way that he used it was appropriate. If I had one of the best diss songs of all time I would be mentioning it from time to time as well. Jigga did that often, for your information.

Just know I don't have a preference to Nas or Jay-Z, I enjoy listening to both of them.

 

[Can't stop the rush...]

Hes resting on Illmatic, he can't match it. Yeah maybe Ether is arguably the best diss song ever, but HE needs to get over it. "

Ether was on Stillmatic.

But if you want to use that logic, has Jay Z really made anything as good as Reasonable Doubt(which many people consider as a top 5 album of all time)?

 

[Kulixs]

Ether was on Stillmatic.

But if you want to use that logic, has Jay Z really made anything as good as Reasonable Doubt(which many people consider as a top 5 album of all time)?

Yeah i was talking about the song and the album seperately . But the difference between Nas and Jay Z is, Jay hasn't made anything as good as reasonable doubt, but still continues to produce quality none the less, his albums are still sick, you know if he had to release a album tomorow it'd be good. Nas hasn't matched Illmatic, and doesn't really produce anything close. Streets Disciple was a 2 disc album, and just wasn't good enough. In my opinion Jay Z's Black Album was excellent.

 

[x4dixont]

there are about 3 songs on street's disciple which i like, whereas the whole black album is amazing, one of my favourites december 4th

 

[ShiftyPowers]

God's Son, Stillmatic, and It Was Written are rather highly regarded. Nas has tried to keep the rough sound of Illmatic and not rely on production and beats, but on his lyrics and therefore a poor Nas album isn't going to seem decent because of the production while a Jay-Z one just might fool a few people.

 

[Vagegast]

Reasonable Doubt is a classic but not even close in regard to my top 5.

The Black Album was good but overrated.

God's son is Nas' 3rd best album after Illmatic and Stillmatic and before It Was Written.

Street's Disciple is utter crap. Just garbage.

Also, it was Hot 97 that decided that Nas had won the beef. They had people call in and Nas won by something like 2%.

"Ether" was just too good and "Super Ugly" was just childish.

 

[Kulixs]

If you want to put it that way, then Ether shot Jay and Roc-A-Fella six times in both kneecaps, dissected them and buried them while they were still breathing. Takeover is great but man.. Ether is on another WORLD. It's vicious and clever. It kickstarted Stillmatic.


Er, Jay was the one that started the whole hoo-ha. He's also made quite a few tracks calling Nas out, but why is Takeover the only one mentioned?

.

lol, if you think Ether is on a different planet to takeover, your sadly mistaken. And Jay z rightly dissed Nas, he had it coming with all the crap he was speaking at the time.

You obviously haven't heard anything from In My Lifetime then.

Streets Disciple is about 5 times worse than In my Lifetime. Where Nas is only a feature rapper on the best song on HIS album (Just a moment, which is more Quan's song than his.) I thought "In my lifetime" was a decent album.

Jay can't match Blueprint, what's your point? is Jay resting on that album, too then?

Nah, because for one, multiple people in this thread have called reasonable doubt his best album. So as you see Jay Z has more than one excellent album. And thats coming from your's (mixed with the majority's) point of view

Just for the record im also a fan of Nas's work, its just i dont think he killed Jay Z like everybody is sayin. And Frostwolf i mean no offence by anything, its just a friendly debate

"You said you been in this ten
I've been in it five - smarten up Nas
Four albums in ten years nigga? I can divide
That's one every let's say two, two of them ****s was due
One was - NAHHH, the other was "Illmatic"
That's a one hot album every ten year average"

 

[x4dixont]

sorry to interrupt this jay z and nas talk but has anyone heard or got the game's new mixtape - ghost unit???

 

[henry#14]

How dare you mention Mr. Potatohead in the midst of Jay-Z and Nas talk? :fool:

 

[Frostwolf]

The Black Album was overrated as hell mostly due to the fact it was Jay's last album. It was still good though. Unlike Street's Disciple which was garbage.

And Stillmatic and God's Son were released after Blueprint which kinda negates Jay's claims when used in context right now, but he was right in 2001

And I believe Jay was the one who used a sample from a Nas song without asking. And yeah, Supa Ugly was weak and went too far. Desperate, almost.

There are quite a few debates about this but The Blueprint is widely regarded as Jay's best.

One lesson we should take from this: they both shouldn't release double-disc albums anymore

 

[Vagegast]

The money’s ya religion sky the limit live life
Numbers is big business makes the poor live trife
The glimmers of hope provoke those without dollars to dream
Through your existence become wealthy knowledge is king
Pimps and card sharks thiefs murderers with hard luck
Addicts and fiends prostitutes passin’ for teens is my society
Cops that shoot blacks is routine for noteriety
Grow up watchin’ well dressed niggas with charms
Beautiful ladies on their arms
Dangerous new cars was my fantasy for nas
Rubbin my lips with campophenique
Still behind the ears wet turned out to be
Pioneers vets amongst hustlers crack sellers and liers and squares...
My people be projects or jail never harvard or yale
Pardon me type in my 2way while I’m chargin’ my cell
It’s hard to be iced up with gucci God poverty’s real
I can’t fight you cause you would sue me niggas be groupies
I see imitators tryin’ to make albums spittin’ my style
And they don’t even realize that I notice they stealing nas’ ****
I pump some rick james with that teena marie
My nina lean on me like swoop it’s crap this can’t be

 

[ShiftyPowers]

There are quite a few debates about this but The Blueprint is widely regarded as Jay's best.

KRS already made an album called Blueprint. Damn Gay-Z and Cockafella. You rock fellas, I rock hos.

 

[Frostwolf]

You ass, went from Jaz to hangin with Kane, to Irv, to Big
And, Eminem murdered you on your own ****
You a dick-ridin faggot, you love the attention
Queens niggas run you niggas, ask Russell Simmons
Ha, R-O-C get gunned up and clapped quick
J.J. Evans get gunned up and clapped quick
Your whole damn record label gunned up and clapped quick
Sean Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz dick
So little shorty's gettin gunned up and clapped quick
How much of Biggie's rhymes is gon' come out your fat lips?

 

[Frostwolf]

My first album had no famous guest appearances

The outcome?

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Picked up/downloaded illegally Liquid Swords by The Genius/GZA today. I've heard some really good things about it, but since it's 2:30 already right now, I probably won't have the chance to listen to it before I go to bed.

 

[Kulixs]

And I believe Jay was the one who used a sample from a Nas song without asking. And yeah, Supa Ugly was weak and went too far. Desperate, almost.

He paid to use it, and he paid the money to the company that held the publishing rights to the song. He didn't need Nas's permission.

"So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong
You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song
And you ain't get a coin nigga you was gettin ****ed and
I know who I paid God, Serchlite Publishing"

 

[Parra Power]

He paid to use it, and he paid the money to the company that held the publishing rights to the song. He didn't need Nas's permission.

"So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong
You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song
And you ain't get a coin nigga you was gettin ****ed and
I know who I paid God, Serchlite Publishing"

Wanted to be on every last one of my classics
You pop ****, apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss .

 

[Can't stop the rush...]

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrtsZ0QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsassZplayactionsports

Someone is selling his collection. Cheap, great(some classic) albums.

He even got some out of print ones, Pharoahe Monch and the Organized Konfusion album.