Saddam Hussein Sentenced To Death

[Apollon]

well smoove thats too late now since its over i just sat with my mums parents in their house watched tv instead. much better.

 

[d3adly]

Well, Americans should definitely care... pretty hard to convince Iraqis that you're bringing democracy and blind justice to their country when you're praising the result of a flawed trial where judges and lawyers are being assasinated.

Anyhow you missed my point, ofcourse he would have been found guilty regardless of the trial circumstances, that's not the issue. What I find concerning is that George W and the rest in favour of the war in Iraq are speaking of the trial/execution as if it were this "great achievment" for the new Iraq, when instead it was just another contribution to the civil war that they're claiming isn't happening either. In normal circumstances it wouldn't matter, but when so much of the American population still beleives that Saddam was involved in 911, manipulation of the truth like that is a big deal.. Trust me, I have no sympathy for the Saddams of the world. It would have saved a lot of trouble and lives if the US soldiers had just shot him in his hiding hole way back when..

great post!

 

[Rob]

Leaked video :rockon:

 

[Bobby]

Pretty stupid of the Americans to decide the best day to kill him was on the morning of a muslim feast day. Very poor psychological reading. Now everyone will have sympathy for him, hell I had sympathy for him despite the fact he practically ruined our lives one day when we were in Kuwait.

It's like broadcasting on air a controversial execution on Christmas Eve when everyone is one the streets, visiting families and having fun.
Very, very, stupid.

We'd do that just to piss people off. That's how we get off. We don't drink like other countries, we don't have hookers (bar Nevada, which is a massive sandbox) so we get our jollys from pissing other people off, hell Americans do it to each other.

Look up the Duke Lacrosse Case, Nifong didn't believe that ****, it was a wind up.

 

[Virgo]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006600608,00.html

this is f*cking sick, The Sun is practically jizzing over this.

 

[Virgo]

Just to play devil's advocate here... one could argue that the Nuremberg trials were flawed as well, and there was huge skepticism at that time about whether Germany would ever embrace democracy, but things turned out OK. I know it's apples and oranges, but it's a historical example where a shady trial of a nation's tyrannical leaders helped (or at least didn't hurt) that nation's move towards a democratic system.

totally apples and oranges, Iraq has 3 rival factions that absolutely hate each other fighting for power. I just can't see a way of getting them all working together in a democracy. Only a strong anti-democratic domination from one of them like Saddam's could keep it stable.

In my opinion the lesser of the two evils would be dividing the country into ethnic zones.

Germany people just got brainwashed much like Bush voters, Chavez voters, etc, and pretty much every populist leader around the world. The world was just unlucky that they voted for the craziest bastard ever. But they're always been a developed country and they recognized the mistake they made and turned the page.

 

[CapaJr]

I think some of the posts here are sick.

Saddam shouldn't have been executed. It's a mistake to take a life, no matter whose life we're talking about. Watching the Iraqi people on the news celebrating his death by shooting guns in the air and dancing, I can understand it to an extent, because he made their lives miserable, they feel too much hatred towards him to remain civilised and rational. But to see some posts here celebrating an execution... wow. It's primitive to say the least.

And let's just see what has been achieved by this... nothing. Saddam was done with. He had no political power anymore, and the only thing he still could have influenced are terrorist attacks, which we'll have plenty of as a sign of retaliation. By executing him they punished one man and condemned to death many, many more people who'll get killed in the cities of Iraq and all over the world because his followers will do all they can to kill everyone they can.

So, great job.

And the saddest thing is, they never truly beat Saddam. That's a man driven by strong beliefs. Wrong, but beliefs nevertheless. He laughed moments before death, FFS.

Every death penalty is a wrongdoing, and this one even more because sh*t will escalate.
Hasn't it occured to anyone that life imprisonment can be far worse than instant death? For a man like Saddam, who had done countless crimes, death is liberation. This way, he won't have to face responsibility for many other deaths he should have answered for.

And to see all these pictures and games about the hanging shows just how primitive this toilet of a world is.

wow..
very well written, i agree with every single point you've made..
and for the peace in iraq, we can now officially forget all about it.. sunni's will turn iraq into a bloodshed. and as you have said, he was politically ruined anyway, he had no power, but after these pictures, and videos, and considering how he acted moments before his own death, saddam has became so much more than a dictator for most iraqis. but ofcourse, some people will never know that by just watching CNN or Fox News..

 

[Joe Star]

Before anyone says it, yes, you can call me a hypocrite with double-standards. Goodbye and good riddance Saddam. Have fun sexing Satan

 

[Vedran-10]

You know, I agree with 95% of what you're saying. Two years ago, before I realized it wasn't my duty to instruct anyone through an internet forum, I might have written that myself. Even the part I now disagree with.

I can't blame anyone for being happy because a mass-murderer is gone. Even though I'm sure we all had a tough time identifying that old timer with a rope around his neck with the ruthless dictator that once ruled Iraq, I urge you to run down a brief list of his crimes - preferably through a couple documentaries with 1st-person accounts (and there are many) - and then afterwards come here and tell me you aren't happy he's now gone.
Do it! For real! Youtube has plenty of footage from Saddam's era. Just type 'Saddam' + 'Crimes' and watch it, preferably without any food in your stomach.

Even though I'm firmly against death penalty I'm not sorry that man is dead now. And I'd rather be sick than be a hypocrite.

I know what he and the people around him did. After Uday and Qusay died, I remember there was some material on Saddam's crimes on Croatian websites. I got to know what that man was capable of, and his sons too. I know how he once bought them guns on their birthdays and let them shoot a living person just to try out the weapons. I also know how Uday raped a woman who had just married her husband, and killed the husband after he tried to defend his wife. The woman climbed a building and jumped shortly after. I also know how he had all of his staff at every single one of his mansions ready for his arrival at all times, and if by chance someone was unprepared, he'd torture and/or kill the staff member. I just wrote this to prove that I know what we're talking about.

I'm not blaming anyone for being happy, but I am blaming people (non-Iraqi people, some geniuses of these boards) for celebrating it. It's one thing to feel satisfaction, which is normal for any death penalty supporter, but I don't think it should be celebrated, nor do I think people should post drawings of a hanged person.

It doesn't matter how much death he has caused, because the death penalty should never be used. I guess you missed a question in my first post - didn't it occur to anyone that life imprisonment can be worse than death. He should have been forced to face as many crimes as possible, he should have been forced to stare into the eyes of people whose families he slaughtered. He should have lived through all of that. Not to mention that he should have spent the rest of his natural life locked up in a small cell. Imagine walking into a small room knowing you won't be allowed out for the rest of your life. Now THAT would have been justice.

In that last paragraph, are you calling me a hypocrite?

The fact that so many people are complaining about a mass murderer's death is really what's wrong with the world. For those who are opposed to the death penalty out of principality, why do I never see you complaining about the punishment when it was used by Saddam or as it's today used by regimes in Iran and other rogue countries.

The trial was a farce? Sure, but who cares. Do you think a jury of 12 jurors in a fair trial would've found Saddam to be not guilty or only guilty of lesser crimes? Bullsh*t, get over it.

Vedran-10, you're woefully misinformed about the situation in Iraq. You act as if Saddam has a massive following who are loyal to him beyond his grave. Sorry to bring this to you but Saddam's hardcore following is not stronger than a few hundred Sunnis from his hometown's s Bani al-Nasiri tribe. In addition, most of his followers are Arab nationalists. This philosophy used to be big but has been taken over the sick philosophy of Islamic extremism. When a suicide bomb occurs in Iraq, it's not because throngs of Arab nationalists are taking revenge for Saddam's death. Rather it's sectarian violence between Sunnis or Shia's or it's an act of anti-occupation violence. If you think killing Saddam is gonna increase (or reduce) violence, you're incapable of processing what's going on in Iraq.

What have we accomplished with this? Brought a mass-murderer to justice, that's what. Too bad he's actually gonna be one of the very few who'll actually be punished for his actions.

I hope 2007 brings more common sense to SG's population.

I'm opposed to the death penalty. Do you expect me to argue against every single sentence? It just so happens I'm arguing this one because this thread exists. If you find a random death row inmate in the US, make a thread and we'll discuss.

The fact that you don't care about the trial being a farce says enough.

I'm misinformed? That's funny because you're the one claiming Saddam's death won't increase violence, when it already has. Just like it has increased when he was sentenced. This isn't even an opinion, but rather a fact you can verify. The increase in violence is evident, it's all over the news. So before saying someone's unable to process something, do some processing of your own.

 

[Hendrik]

Just to play devil's advocate here... one could argue that the Nuremberg trials were flawed as well, and there was huge skepticism at that time about whether Germany would ever embrace democracy, but things turned out OK. I know it's apples and oranges, but it's a historical example where a shady trial of a nation's tyrannical leaders helped (or at least didn't hurt) that nation's move towards a democratic system.

meh, apples and oranges. Germany has a democratic tradition dating back to the unfortunately failed Revolution of 1848 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolutions_of_1848_in_the_German_states). After WWI when the US didn't give a f*ck about the consequences of the Treaty of Versailles the country was close to a civil war but the Weimar Republic, a democratic system, managed to overcomes those problems for more than a decade. After WWII they just had to reestablish the old parties. Why it worked out better than the first time? They could set up the following equation: democracy=economic wealth.

 

[Bobby]

I'm opposed to the death penalty.

North Carolina 4-0 PR China
Azulblanco stuns giants

Minnows North Carolina stunned league giants China 4-0 in 2006 after the Reds were heavily favored by a Fox News poll of experts when the draw was made in Dec. 2005.

Not many would have tipped the azulblanco to make four solid executions, let alone to do so in a year dominated by it's first celebrity trial. The Carolinians caught China early by seeing off Perrie Dyon Simpson. China seemed to be confused by the pace of the former Confederate States of America side as they soon added another, Patrick Lane Moody. China and neutrals alike were incandescent and thought it to be surely offside citing Moody's marginal intelligence but Tar Heel skipper Mike Easley didn't seem to care.

The Old North State's whirlwind first half continued when they added a third goal, this time Willie Brown, Jr. felt an injection of pace. The whistle for half time went soon after, China left the pitch looking completely bamboozled by what had just happened.

North Carolina started the second half as the had ended the first, seeing off Samuel Flippen. China would soon solve it's defense issues but found itself unable to breakdown the stalworth defense which had already ruined the lives of three Americans from the northeast with a false trial.

This victory may mark a turn around for North Carolina who were languishing in the 4th division with no goals between 1962 and 1983.

"We're back up there where we belong" said Momo Gardner, a Greensboro man, "We're as big as Texas or Saudi Arabia."

--- Mecklenburg (NC) Record, 1.1.2007.

 

[Run DMB]

meh, apples and oranges. Germany has a democratic tradition dating back to the unfortunately failed Revolution of 1848 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolutions_of_1848_in_the_German_states). After WWI when the US didn't give a f*ck about the consequences of the Treaty of Versailles the country was close to a civil war but the Weimar Republic, a democratic system, managed to overcomes those problems for more than a decade. After WWII they just had to reestablish the old parties. Why it worked out better than the first time? They could set up the following equation: democracy=economic wealth.

Wasn't the Weimar Republic ultimately seen as a failure though? That's what I mean when I say that people were skeptical about whether Germany could sustain a democratic system. Up to that point it seemed that Germany made progress whenever they had a strong authoritarian leader (Bismarck, Hitler) and struggled when power was spread out. It seemed like the people needed a strong leader to inspire them to pull themselves out of their misery. Of course, that turned out to be false.

Obligatory Simpsons reference:

TV Host: The capital of North Dakota was named for what German ruler?
Homer: Hitler!
Marge: Hitler, North Dakota?

 

[::shinji::]

In my opinion the lesser of the two evils would be dividing the country into ethnic zones.

Yeah I agree, that's probably the only way to achieve any temporary peace anyhow (and I say temporary because inevitably they would only go to war with each other again at some point)... Iraq as we know it today should have never even been a single country anyways considering the current border was decided on by the French and English in WW1..

On another sad note, it seems that US casualties in Iraq have reached the 3,000 mark. It's amazing how Republicans in America can be so militantly against things like stem cell research and abortion, yet have no issues with sending thousands of young people to Iraq to die for Haliburton....oops, I mean fighting terrorism.

 

[Vedran-10]

North Carolina 4-0 PR China
Azulblanco stuns giants

Minnows North Carolina stunned league giants China 4-0 in 2006 after the Reds were heavily favored by a Fox News poll of experts when the draw was made in Dec. 2005.

Not many would have tipped the azulblanco to make four solid executions, let alone to do so in a year dominated by it's first celebrity trial. The Carolinians caught China early by seeing off Perrie Dyon Simpson. China seemed to be confused by the pace of the former Confederate States of America side as they soon added another, Patrick Lane Moody. China and neutrals alike were incandescent and thought it to be surely offside citing Moody's marginal intelligence but Tar Heel skipper Mike Easley didn't seem to care.

The Old North State's whirlwind first half continued when they added a third goal, this time Willie Brown, Jr. felt an injection of pace. The whistle for half time went soon after, China left the pitch looking completely bamboozled by what had just happened.

North Carolina started the second half as the had ended the first, seeing off Samuel Flippen. China would soon solve it's defense issues but found itself unable to breakdown the stalworth defense which had already ruined the lives of three Americans from the northeast with a false trial.

This victory may mark a turn around for North Carolina who were languishing in the 4th division with no goals between 1962 and 1983.

"We're back up there where we belong" said Momo Gardner, a Greensboro man, "We're as big as Texas or Saudi Arabia."

--- Mecklenburg (NC) Record, 1.1.2007.

More like
North Carolina 4 : 10000+ PR China.

That's how many people the Chinese execute per year. Every tenth execution in the world is outside of China. Carolina? Pffft...

 

[The Don't]

Do it! For real! Youtube has plenty of footage from Saddam's era.

You just instructed me!

 

[INFESTA]

I'm not blaming anyone for being happy, but I am blaming people (non-Iraqi people, some geniuses of these boards) for celebrating it. It's one thing to feel satisfaction, which is normal for any death penalty supporter, but I don't think it should be celebrated, nor do I think people should post drawings of a hanged person.

Well, celebration is a natural output of a state of great satisfaction. If you recognize the legitimacy in the satisfaction - even though you may or may not be against it - why do you have to blame the celebration?

It doesn't matter how much death he has caused, because the death penalty should never be used. I guess you missed a question in my first post - didn't it occur to anyone that life imprisonment can be worse than death. He should have been forced to face as many crimes as possible, he should have been forced to stare into the eyes of people whose families he slaughtered. He should have lived through all of that. Not to mention that he should have spent the rest of his natural life locked up in a small cell. Imagine walking into a small room knowing you won't be allowed out for the rest of your life. Now THAT would have been justice.

Already expressed my position concerning the death penalty and where we agree upon. No need to feed it all back. Same goes for the political ramifications of his death.
I only recognize a hand full of posters here, so I likely did miss your initial question.

In that last paragraph, are you calling me a hypocrite?

Only if you are happy with Saddam's death but don't express it because it's morally wrong.

You just instructed me!

Hehe, really? At least it was without any intention from my part.

 

[King]

The Best Death Penalty!

Die Mother****ers!!!!!!!!!

 

[ballack1111]

STOP SPAMMING.anyways,i believe no human has the right to kill another human NO MATTER WHAT,i think he should of been life sentance in some high tech security center.

 

[Bobby]

More like
North Carolina 4 : 10000+ PR China.

That's how many people the Chinese execute per year. Every tenth execution in the world is outside of China. Carolina? Pffft...

Ours are televised. Channel 16, State TV. Not like that Saudi stuff either, ours are in HD.

 

[Krypton X]

Bull**** of course. What taste did he get? Death? Good Experience. I guess he's learned his Lesson,now.
And If your'e against the Death Penalty then it has to apply on anyone...otherwise i'd call it double standards.

Not sure if you've been following the thread from the beginning, because I did say that I'd favour a life imprisonment over executing him any day. But lets try to be a little realistic here, you're free to come and criticize his death sentence and call me a hypocrite all you like, but if he was given a jail sentence instead how long do you think it would be before he 'accidentally' winds up dead one day, after he gets roughed up and tortured by any of those Shia militias running the country. Ever since the Americans dragged his ass out of the spider hole he lived in they did not let him out of their sight or out of their custody for even a single day, because they simply did not have enough confidence in the Iraqi police to not do anything stupid before his trial was over. And anyone who saw what a farce his execution turned out to be, with Muqtada Sadr's goons taunting him while he had the noose tied around his neck, would probably agree that the Americans were justified in feeling that way.

I think we need to appreciate what a big burden this whole thing is on a weak and faction-ridden Iraqi government which barely controls 5 out of the country's 18 provinces and one neighbourhood in Baghdad which makes up the green zone. Killing Saddam might cause the violence to escalate at least for a while, whereas keeping him locked up means his followers will carry on financing and aiding the 'insurgency', which is currently claiming over 3000 innocent lives each month, until the Iraqi government yields to their demands and releases Saddam and his colleagues.
And with the country on the verge of a full-scale civil war, one wonders what will be Saddam's fate if that does take place, he will either be shot on the spot or set free, or both, depending on who gets to him first.

Clearly the only proper way to deal with Saddam was to send him off to the Hague and have a joint panel of Iraqi and international experts oversee his case, but seeing as how the Americans had no intention of cooperating with the Hague, while the Iraqis were mistrustful of them because of bitter experiences they've had with other supposedly neutral world bodies like the UN, and despite my opposition to the death penalty broadly speaking, I believe executing Saddam might have been for the best in this case given all the circumstances. I do not necessarily SUPPORT it but I can fully understand it.

And no, Saddam was not the reason why I went out and got trashed the other night, that's just what people normally do on new year's eve. But it is great to know that millions of other people who don't normally have it too good can finally have some form of closure and be able to look to the future knowing that the person who ruined their lives won't be around any more. Afterall isn't that what celebrating the new year is all about; having the chance to forget about your worries for once and hoping that the year ahead will bring better days. It is not about rejoicing over a man's death but about sharing other people's joy.

And on that note I wish you all a happy new year, and also best of luck to the great martyr Saddam as he gets penetrated by the 72 eager male virgins.