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Rob said:
if he was french we would have spend 300k just for compensation
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Should Clubs have to field XIs with 3 hometown heros
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if he was french we would have spend 300k just for compensation
So do you think Messi would be a cheap buy?....He's not English. The only English players who cost a lot are the cream of the crop. You make it sound like all of them are overpriced.
I just find it incredible that Arsenal just sack so many English kids before they get a real chance at the club. You critisize Bentley and call him inadequate, so you sell him. What does he do?....The following day he scores a hatrick against Manchester United. Who was the last Arsenal striker to do that?.......Now that is really embarrassing.
You mention Pennant and his drink/driving. You fail to mention Van Pervert and the trouble he has been in, and thats before he joined Arsenal too. You lot went out and bought a troublemaker, but Wenger puts a fatherly arm around him and shows him patience and understanding. Shame Wenger didn't try a bit harder with the English boys.
Face it, Arsenal are anti English, that stands out a mile. For Wenger to suggest that anyone who critisizes his player selections is bordering on being a racist, as he did today to Pardue, is a total disgrace. If anyone is showing signs of racism its Wenger.
You might be an English club but you are not regarded as an English team while you field 11 foreigners. West ham have 8 English players in their first team, and they did not cost a fortune. Oh yeah....where are the Hammers sitting in the table might i ask?..........3 places below Arsenals foreign legion and that is a fact, and West Ham have been in "Transition" for about 10 years. So thats that excuse blown out of the water.
I would like to see at least 6 out of the starting 11 players come from the country that the club is based in. That leaves 5 foreign players which is enough i think.
I just find it incredible that Arsenal just sack so many English kids before they get a real chance at the club. You critisize Bentley and call him inadequate, so you sell him. What does he do?....The following day he scores a hatrick against Manchester United. Who was the last Arsenal striker to do that?.......Now that is really embarrassing.
You mention Pennant and his drink/driving. You fail to mention Van Pervert and the trouble he has been in, and thats before he joined Arsenal too. You lot went out and bought a troublemaker, but Wenger puts a fatherly arm around him and shows him patience and understanding. Shame Wenger didn't try a bit harder with the English boys.
Face it, Arsenal are anti English, that stands out a mile. For Wenger to suggest that anyone who critisizes his player selections is bordering on being a racist, as he did today to Pardue, is a total disgrace. If anyone is showing signs of racism its Wenger.
You might be an English club but you are not regarded as an English team while you field 11 foreigners. West ham have 8 English players in their first team, and they did not cost a fortune. Oh yeah....where are the Hammers sitting in the table might i ask?..........3 places below Arsenals foreign legion and that is a fact, and West Ham have been in "Transition" for about 10 years. So thats that excuse blown out of the water.
I would like to see at least 6 out of the starting 11 players come from the country that the club is based in. That leaves 5 foreign players which is enough i think.
pede54 said:
What else has Bentley done with Blackburn besides the hattrick? Nothing.
Pennant just recently showed up drunk during a Birmingham training session. The guy was dumped not because of his skills but he's a friggin drunk who never learns.
Van Persie was bought because of his talent and he wasn't as big of a troublemaker as it appeared to be. And he was cleared of the rape charges.
You say Wenger is a racist because he starts players due to their talent rather than where they're born. Pardew is the one complaining about foreigners but he's not the racist. Why don't the EPL just create a secondary league called the Foreign Premier League where all the foreigners can play while the EPL be exclusively for English players.
Arsenal is an English team because they're located in England.
And Chelsea doesn't even field 6 Englishmen so shutup you hypocrite. They dump Parker and Bridge for "foreigners" and buy SWP only to bench his ass so other teams can't get him.
Wenger's job is to try a create a winning team for Arsenal. He doesn't owe anything to the English National Team.
Funny thing is that Peter Taylor mentioned it would've been nice if Cole and Campbell shared in the glory of the Real Madrid win but he doesn't mention the fact that they're both injured. Wenger would've started them if they were fit and that's a fact.
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pede54 said:
Thats why he's just spent 12million on a 16 yr old englishman, Wenger racist for bringing the best players from across the globe how funny. I thought being racist would mean he would only chose english men ahead of his foreigners just because of their race that is racist but anyway this topic isnt about Wenger
Having homegrown talent is a great notion but when you have to pay well over the odds for them is it worth it; we like many premiership clubs cant afford to spend £21,000,000 to put on our bench
pede54 said:
Pennant has done alot more than van Persie (who was ruled innocent by a court of law, by the way). Pennant crashed Ashley Cole's car into a lamppost while he was under driving suspention, not only did he crash into the lamppost he dragged it under the car for a MILE! You want to know something else? He can't read. David Sullivan said it himself. Steve Bruce says he has one more strike and he's gone. At last check Bruce was English.
David Bentley is ****. End of.
Francis Jeffers cost 8m, not only that but we managed to sell him for 2m! That sack of **** has fetched 10m in transfer fees. Go ahead and say English players aren't overpriced now.
Of course Wenger looks at where they were born. That is the first thing he looks at.He brings in kids from France mainly, some as young as 12 years old. Are you seriously going to tell me that a 12 year old French kid is way better than a 12 year old English kid? Of course not. He CHOOSES to go shopping in France for his players. Man even the African players at Arsenal have a French connection. Why are you lot so in denial?....You are the only people in the whole of football who refuse to see the truth.
By the way, I support Chelsea, i do not run the club, so unfortunately i have as much input into team selection at Chelsea as you do at Arsenal. The difference is, I still want to see more English players at my club. You Gooners do not.
SWP as a matter of fact has had more playing time, and will have more playing time for Chelsea than Theo Wallcott will ever see at Arsenal. Its not just English boys who "warm the bench" at Chelsea. We have a squad that gets rotated, thats how it is and the last time i looked, i think a team are only allowed 11 men on the pitch at a time.
You cannot defend playing 11 non- English players week in week out, it is just wrong. Maybe Arsenal dont break any rules but that still dont make it right.
Chelsea played 1 game without an Englishman on the pitch. The fans went ape s.h.it and it has never happened since.
Maybe Wenger, being French, does not owe England anything, but as an "English" club, Arsenal do, and as English fans (if indeed you are English) you do too.
Maybe, here is a reason for the Gooners complete lack of outrage. Maybe its because a lot of fans are not English. So why would they object to a foreign 11. Englishness means nothing to them does it?
By the way, I support Chelsea, i do not run the club, so unfortunately i have as much input into team selection at Chelsea as you do at Arsenal. The difference is, I still want to see more English players at my club. You Gooners do not.
SWP as a matter of fact has had more playing time, and will have more playing time for Chelsea than Theo Wallcott will ever see at Arsenal. Its not just English boys who "warm the bench" at Chelsea. We have a squad that gets rotated, thats how it is and the last time i looked, i think a team are only allowed 11 men on the pitch at a time.
You cannot defend playing 11 non- English players week in week out, it is just wrong. Maybe Arsenal dont break any rules but that still dont make it right.
Chelsea played 1 game without an Englishman on the pitch. The fans went ape s.h.it and it has never happened since.
Maybe Wenger, being French, does not owe England anything, but as an "English" club, Arsenal do, and as English fans (if indeed you are English) you do too.
Maybe, here is a reason for the Gooners complete lack of outrage. Maybe its because a lot of fans are not English. So why would they object to a foreign 11. Englishness means nothing to them does it?
PaPaGeorGeo said:
why do you persist with this Bulls.h.it about Arsenal not having money?....Do you believe every single word that your club tell you?......Do you actually think for yourself at all, at anytime.....Arsenal are NOT a poor club and they never have been.
And MEH.....to exclude a particular race of people from something because of their race, is racism....get it now. It does not matter if the party discriminated against is black, white or green. Or indeed English.
Walcott is 16, Wright-Phillips is 24.
24 is not a boy, he can no longer play at any youth level (including u23). Wright-Phillips is a grown ass man (a midget, but a grown man). He should no longer be phased into the first team, he's either a regular or a backup at this point.
We have English players, they're injured. We had goalkeeper Stuart Taylor (who, like Wright-Phillips is a grown as man) who asked to move to he could fight for a first team place. You look yourself in a mirror and tell me you'd take a man who couldn't even start for England youth over the German #2.
How about fat ass Allardyce, huh? Between coloring in his coloring books he'll take a minute to look up and sign a player (90% of the time, not English). Bolton played with no Englishmen more than once last year, where's the hate for them?
I'll tell you where it is, it doesn't exist. Allardyce is one of the "lads" and you seek out Wenger's faults for one reason, he's French.
24 is not a boy, he can no longer play at any youth level (including u23). Wright-Phillips is a grown ass man (a midget, but a grown man). He should no longer be phased into the first team, he's either a regular or a backup at this point.
We have English players, they're injured. We had goalkeeper Stuart Taylor (who, like Wright-Phillips is a grown as man) who asked to move to he could fight for a first team place. You look yourself in a mirror and tell me you'd take a man who couldn't even start for England youth over the German #2.
How about fat ass Allardyce, huh? Between coloring in his coloring books he'll take a minute to look up and sign a player (90% of the time, not English). Bolton played with no Englishmen more than once last year, where's the hate for them?
I'll tell you where it is, it doesn't exist. Allardyce is one of the "lads" and you seek out Wenger's faults for one reason, he's French.
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You have to ask yourself the question though, in a globalizing world, is it realistic to demand local players in a team. On the other hand, fans need to be able to associate with their team. IMO there should be a minimum of 7 homegrown players by the club in the 18 players matchday squad
oh dear Bobby......that smacks of a persecution complex. Why would you say that because Wengers French, is the reason he is being "picked on"?......He is being singled out because his policy is anti English. He will sell Cole at the end of the season and Sol will move on or retire, Wenger will make sure of that.The situation at Arsenal is gonna get worse than what it already is.
People were saying 5 years ago that Wenger was coaching along the future French National team at Arsenal. Why its taken so long for people to start speaking out is anyones guess. Its no good pointing the finger at Big Sam....Nicky Hunt, Kevin Nolan, Gary Speed,Ian Walker, Kevin Davies, Matt Jansen, Chris Howarth, James Sinclair, Johann Smith, Robert Sissons and Sam Ashton. 11 players. All British and all in the first team squad.
People were saying 5 years ago that Wenger was coaching along the future French National team at Arsenal. Why its taken so long for people to start speaking out is anyones guess. Its no good pointing the finger at Big Sam....Nicky Hunt, Kevin Nolan, Gary Speed,Ian Walker, Kevin Davies, Matt Jansen, Chris Howarth, James Sinclair, Johann Smith, Robert Sissons and Sam Ashton. 11 players. All British and all in the first team squad.
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Heh, an Arsenal-Inter confontation at this CL Round of 16 would be amusing...Incidentaly we might see no Englishmen nor Italians.
PSVFOREVER 7/18 homegrown sounds good - messing with staring XI's is not a good idea, as it is too damn restrictive for management; however let's not forget that homegrown player =/= player from club's nation. Therefore there could be a cross rule, something like 5/18 homegrown + 4/18 national (possibly overlapping). Salary caps, as mentioned by Virgo, would be a good alternative (or even a good parallel measure). the oposition to that however would be even stronger than agaist squad restrictions. measures like this could help to keep a sense of 'community' or something with the teams (even though that seems naïve nowadays), and might help the standards leagues/netional football in some countries.
A final comment on some words of Perdew from that article. Even though 'club identity' is to be valued, he went too far with 'I saw a headline saying Arsenal are flying the flag for Britain in the Champions League, but I had to wonder where that British involvement was when I saw the team.' - even Arsenal fans could take offence here. Arsenal, as well as Liverpool and Chelsea still play like English teams even with so many foreigners - even if one might ask for how long...
PSVFOREVER 7/18 homegrown sounds good - messing with staring XI's is not a good idea, as it is too damn restrictive for management; however let's not forget that homegrown player =/= player from club's nation. Therefore there could be a cross rule, something like 5/18 homegrown + 4/18 national (possibly overlapping). Salary caps, as mentioned by Virgo, would be a good alternative (or even a good parallel measure). the oposition to that however would be even stronger than agaist squad restrictions. measures like this could help to keep a sense of 'community' or something with the teams (even though that seems naïve nowadays), and might help the standards leagues/netional football in some countries.
A final comment on some words of Perdew from that article. Even though 'club identity' is to be valued, he went too far with 'I saw a headline saying Arsenal are flying the flag for Britain in the Champions League, but I had to wonder where that British involvement was when I saw the team.' - even Arsenal fans could take offence here. Arsenal, as well as Liverpool and Chelsea still play like English teams even with so many foreigners - even if one might ask for how long...
Would you look at that....
And to think, Arsenal this season have the worst injury crisis I've seen in some time yet still Chelsea (who have been very lucky with injuries) can still field only 3 more? Chelsea, with millions, dare I say billions more money at their expense can only field 3 more.
This is the new world we live in, if a girl from the Bahamas can do a better desk job than a boy from County Durham then that girl will get the job.
It's the same in football. If a frenchman is better than an englishman he gets the nod.
And to think, Arsenal this season have the worst injury crisis I've seen in some time yet still Chelsea (who have been very lucky with injuries) can still field only 3 more? Chelsea, with millions, dare I say billions more money at their expense can only field 3 more.
This is the new world we live in, if a girl from the Bahamas can do a better desk job than a boy from County Durham then that girl will get the job.
It's the same in football. If a frenchman is better than an englishman he gets the nod.
Dreath said:
Well the arguments that come up all the time is that these foreign players don't help fans identify with the culture of the club because they're not local players and that it doesn't help the national team.
So how does a Welsh player help London fans identify Arsenal as a London club and how does a Welsh player taking a spot on the squad help the England NT? If Arsenal were to field a squad full of Irish, Welsh and Scots players and not play any English players then no one would complain. But they won't make fans relate to Arsenal more and they won't help the England NT.