Should players play for another country after 5 years residency?

[Mandieta6]

Again, HOW WOULD YOU SOLVE THIS ISSUE THAT CONCERNS YOU? Do you have any idea whatsoever? You sound like Fox News, all 'oh my god, this is a huge issue that we should be irate about!' and you just keep at it. Do you have any proof that any country has done this illegally? Other than your bias, what is the difference between Deco and this apparent army of South American Qatari immigrants?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I bet there is something fishy going on, but how can you verify that and how can you deal with it?

Is that it, though? Are you just bitter because Qatar beat your favorite Asian team using a non-Qatari-born player? I see, so let's make a fuss because Spain beat Germany with Senna.

 

[kp41]

Again, HOW WOULD YOU SOLVE THIS ISSUE THAT CONCERNS YOU? Do you have any idea whatsoever? You sound like Fox News, all 'oh my god, this is a huge issue that we should be irate about!' and you just keep at it. Do you have any proof that any country has done this illegally? Other than your bias, what is the difference between Deco and this apparent army of South American Qatari immigrants?

I just said, maybe as Xaviesta said some people only understand pictures, anyway I sum it up:

1- A player or two would not make a huge difference, but Fifa should control one country is not bringing an army from other places, or using well-known players with 0 caps.

2- The way that player gets the citizenship shouldn't be especial and unique to that player. It should be according to citizenship laws in that country.

3- If you represent certain country at any level, the rules should be harder for that player to play for another team ...

Is that it, though? Are you just bitter because Qatar beat your favorite Asian team using a non-Qatari-born player? I see, so let's make a fuss because Spain beat Germany with Senna.

The competition should be fair and equal at national side ... you shouldn't loose a World Cup place or Asia cup place because you didn't have enough funds to bring foreign talents.

This kills the passion of the players that is very unique in International games. I'm pretty sure that Uruguayan player can't speak a fluent Arabic.

 

[Mandieta6]

Right, point by point:

1. Why does it matter if it's 1 or 50? What matters is the intent right?


2. What makes you think this isn't so? FIFA has a 5 year residency rules right now which is seperate from any nationalisation rule because, as far as FIFA is concerned, living for 5 years in one country makes you as good as a national. So right now citizenship doesn't matter in regards to this issue. If it did, if FIFA required citizenship, then it would depend on each country's own nationalisation process, on which FIFA has no authority whatsoever. And again, nationalisation takes precedence over sports. Even if FIFA had grounds to think something fishy is going on and try to ban the player, it sounds like it would be incredibly easy to appeal that decision on a myriad of grounds.

3. This already exists. Players cannot represent two countries in an official competition. Friendlies are not official and if you forced players to stick to their youth teams, you'd have players stuck playing for a country their foolishly chose when they were 15-18. They actually changed the rules a few years ago to fix this issue.

This isn't an issue with the rule, it's an issue you have with a specific incident. Changing the rules will just mean they get around a new set of rules. The only way I can think of that might solve the Qatar issue is investigating each player case by case in the hopes of finding some damning evidence that won't get laughed out of an arbitration court.

I've explained why this is the case above. If Deco can switch sides, so can these Qatari players. Qatar isn't forcing anyone. It could quite easily be a case of the South Americans being the ones to come up with it, and either way, good luck proving they aren't worthy of national status which is irrelevant anyway because FIFA doesn't care about nationality, but residency. If Qatar is inviting players to come play for them for FIVE YEARS and they agree, and play there for 5 years, they have every right to be capped. They've done their time, regardless of their motivation, they've lived in that country for 5 years, not much you can do.

4. I don't know if this is conjecture but I believe it is. Could you link to the article you're basing your panic about Qatar?

 

[kp41]

You mentioned a valid point in number 1, the intent is very important.

Regarding 2 and 3, the rules should be more clear and more strict, I think currently it can be misused.

regarding number 4,
And it was just the start, 3 good players at the same time, similar age
Sebastián Soria (Uruguay)
Lawrence Quaye (Ghana)
Fábio César Montezine (Brazil)
http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Sports/Story/A1Story20110121-259572.html

Look at the history of football in Asian games, they never won up until 2006 when they used these players ...

They even gave offer to Ailton and he accepted but then Fifa rejected that case because he was famous and that could become controversial.
http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/news/newsid=150856.html

They recently change athletes name to qatari like names to avoid controversy, example
Stephen Cherono -> Saif Saaeed Shaheen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saif_Saaeed_Shaheen

 

[yoyo913]

My take is that it's difficult to ensure a player stays in the same country for 5 years. If he is good enough to play for that national team he might be good enough for other teams from other countries to want to buy him. His agent wants him to get most money so he might encourage him to leave. Also, playing for a NT doesn't garner you a lot of money. If the player is so good he might also want to move to a bigger league so that he can grow as a player, grow in value, or even showcase himself to play for his original NT.

And the argument of countries like Qatar or UAE being the only ones to have money to pull this off is similar to other issues of modern football. It's like saying it's not fair that Germany have such a great footballing infrastructure, which they put loads of money in it, to develop footballers. Or that their youth NT level facilities are a lot more expensive than a team like Latvia's.

It's difficult for things to fall into place for a player to be nationalized, and if he is nationalized I think it's fine for him to play for that nation. Five years is a long time and the player learns the culture/language. It's not like it's 1 year or 2. The player has to make a huge commitment to stay there for 5 years, it's not an easy task.

 

[Mandieta6]

You mentioned a valid point in number 1, the intent is very important.

Regarding 2 and 3, the rules should be more clear and more strict, I think currently it can be misused.

How should it more strict? If it's stricter then we're back to young players being duped and getting stuck playing for one NT their whole life based on a decision they made when they were 15.

How do you want the residency rule to change?

EDIT: Skimmed the article. Admittedly, it does seem like they are misusing the rule in Qatar, but I'm not sure there's much you can do about it. FIFA has no authority over who Qatar gives citizenship to. They can't ban the players because they are nationalised. I'm afraid you just have to accept it.

 

[kp41]

That 5 years residency should be before a certain age, maybe 23 ... at least this makes it harder for some countries to get advantage of the rule to persuade some talented known players.

As Yoyo said, only few countries have financial abilities to buy these players, but the real problem is the governing body, FIFA, is very corrupt at the moment, and we can't expect them to face these issues.

 

[Mandieta6]

They CAN'T face these issues. What don't you get? It'd be like McDonalds meddling with Australia's naturalisation process.

I don't get your 23 rule. Do you mean thyat only players under or over 23 would need to be residents for 5 years? And what about everyone else? How would this solve anything?

 

[kp41]

That means they should live in that country for 5 years before they are 23.

That at least means that certain country did some shit in their talent development also that avoids famous uncapped over 23 player to represent another country.

If we care for youth development and football's future ... at least this makes fucking sense.

or at least the 5 years residency or half of it should start before they are 23 ...

 

[Mandieta6]

Why though? You have 18 year olds who are better than 27 year olds. If anything, you need to protect the youngsters from being led astray.

Why does it matter if a player is famous? Why does it even matter if they're good? The issue is Qatar bringing players in who aren't Qatari and naturalising them for no reason. Obviously they do so to become better, but if the issue is that now they're beating you thanks to this, it's just petty. You should care regardless of how they fare in competitions.

"If we care for the future of football", give me a break.

 

[Mus]

pretty sure rooney can't speak fluent english

 

[kp41]

it should be worse like Fergie if you want to represent Scotland ...

 

[chygry]

Haha, i didn't even bother watching Fergie's interviews, because it's so difficult to understand what he's saying, at least for me.

 

[Filipower]

Well I obviously can't complain about naturalized players, but something like this is plain stupid:

"I love Brazil! Wait, do I have a chance of being called up to Spain? I mean I love Spain!"

 

[chygry]

Btw i have a question about the World Cup next yearh, when you're living in Europe those matches start so early,am i right about that?

 

[Filipower]

Nah man it's the same time zone in both continents.

 

[chygry]

Oh i see. So basically those matches are in the evening? I remember watching 2002 world cup with no Holland, had to wake up around 7 am to see the matches. It sucked but i love football so it was worth it i guess.

 

[Filipower]

Nah it's the same zone in Europe and Brasil, the hour should be the same. If you notice any discrepancies between sunlight when you're watching the games, you might want to check if you're on drugs.

 

[chygry]

I just asked some people and apparently the time difference is like 6-8 hours in Brazil compared to Europe.

 

[Filipower]

That's ridiculous. Were they high?