Bobby;2458715 said:I told you Simon. Do not bash the right, he will crush you.
BTW, Rob, is there a contrast for you between Capitalism and Democracy?
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Bobby;2458715 said:I told you Simon. Do not bash the right, he will crush you.
vitu;2461216 said:I don' celebrate Christmas b/c nowhere in the bible is written that Jesus was born on December 25th and at the time of his birth the bible says that shepherds were outside taking care of their sheep. Now who does that during the winter? I personally believe that the whole Christmas holiday comes from paganism. Jesus never celebrated his birthday and never didn't ask people to celebrate it. It's not written on the bible. However he did ask his disciples to remember his death after he had the last dinner with them yet people don't do it on a certain day like they celebrate his fake birthday.
vitu;2461216 said:I don' celebrate Christmas b/c nowhere in the bible is written that Jesus was born on December 25th and at the time of his birth the bible says that shepherds were outside taking care of their sheep. Now who does that during the winter? I personally believe that the whole Christmas holiday comes from paganism. Jesus never celebrated his birthday and never didn't ask people to celebrate it. It's not written on the bible. However he did ask his disciples to remember his death after he had the last dinner with them yet people don't do it on a certain day like they celebrate his fake birthday.
and that date isn't particularly significant.ShiftyPowers;2461569 said:...If you're going to celebrate his birthday, then you have to pick some date.....
vitu;2461216 said:I don' celebrate Christmas b/c nowhere in the bible is written that Jesus was born on December 25th and at the time of his birth the bible says that shepherds were outside taking care of their sheep. Now who does that during the winter? I personally believe that the whole Christmas holiday comes from paganism. Jesus never celebrated his birthday and never didn't ask people to celebrate it. It's not written on the bible. However he did ask his disciples to remember his death after he had the last dinner with them yet people don't do it on a certain day like they celebrate his fake birthday.
.Horus was born on December 25th [S14] [S15] of the virgin Isis-Meri.[S16] [S17] [S18] [D] [M] His birth was accompanied by a star in the east [S19], which in turn, three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born savior [M] [S20] [S21] At the age of 12, he was a prodigal child teacher, and at the age of 30 [S22] [S23] he was baptized by a figure known as Anup [M] and thus began his ministry[S24] [M]. Horus had 12 disciples[S25] he traveled about with, performing miracles[S26] [S27]such as healing the sick[S28] and walking on water[S29].
Attis, of Phyrigia, born of the virgin Nana on December 25th, crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days, was resurrected.
Krishna, of India, born of the virgin Devaki with a star in the east signaling his coming, performed miracles with his disciples, and upon his death was resurrected.
Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin on December 25th, was a traveling teacher who performed miracles such as turning water into wine, he was referred to as the "King of Kings," "God's Only Begotten Son," "The Alpha and Omega," and many others, and upon his death, he was resurrected.
Mithra, of Persia, born of a virgin on December 25th, he had 12 disciples and performed miracles, and upon his death was buried for 3 days and thus resurrected, he was also referred to as "The Truth," "The Light," and many others. Interestingly, the sacred day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.
First of all, the birth sequence is completely astrological. The star in the east is Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky, which, on December 24th, aligns with the 3 brightest stars in Orion's Belt. [S60] [M] These 3 bright stars are called today what they were called in ancient times: The Three Kings.[S61] [S62] The Three Kings and the brightest star, Sirius, all point to the place of the sunrise on December 25th.[S63] [M] This is why the Three Kings "follow" the star in the east, in order to locate the sunrise -- the birth of the sun.
newbie original;2461667 said:If you're not Catholic, you won't celebrate Chirstmas.
vitu;2462397 said:I personally don't base on anything Astrological b/c it's shown in the Bible that God disapproves it. It's like holding on to somebody's word knowing he lies. Look at what happened to the Babylonians. They believed in Astrologers before they did God and the whole city was destroyed.
Horus was born on December 25th [S14] [S15] of the virgin Isis-Meri.[S16] [S17] [S18] [D] [M] His birth was accompanied by a star in the east [S19], which in turn, three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born savior [M] [S20] [S21] At the age of 12, he was a prodigal child teacher, and at the age of 30 [S22] [S23] he was baptized by a figure known as Anup [M] and thus began his ministry[S24] [M]. Horus had 12 disciples[S25] he traveled about with, performing miracles[S26] [S27]such as healing the sick[S28] and walking on water[S29].
Attis, of Phyrigia, born of the virgin Nana on December 25th, crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days, was resurrected.
Krishna, of India, born of the virgin Devaki with a star in the east signaling his coming, performed miracles with his disciples, and upon his death was resurrected.
Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin on December 25th, was a traveling teacher who performed miracles such as turning water into wine, he was referred to as the "King of Kings," "God's Only Begotten Son," "The Alpha and Omega," and many others, and upon his death, he was resurrected.
Mithra, of Persia, born of a virgin on December 25th, he had 12 disciples and performed miracles, and upon his death was buried for 3 days and thus resurrected, he was also referred to as "The Truth," "The Light," and many others. Interestingly, the sacred day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.
ShiftyPowers;2462410 said:Vitu, there's a difference between Astrology (bull****) and Astronomy (science). Stop digging the hole, stop being a retard.
Gerrard 17;2462406 said:haha.
But this isn't astrology.
vitu;2462397 said:Luke 2:8-11 shows that shepherds were in the fields at night at the time of Jesus' birth. The book Daily Life in The Time of Jesus states: "The flocks...passed the winter under cover; and from this alone it may be seen that the traditional date for Christmas, in the winter, is unlikely to be right, since the Gospel says that the shepherds were in the fields."--(New York, 1962), Henri Daniel-Rops, p. 228
The Encyclopedia Americana informs us: "The reason for establishing December 25th as Christmas is somewhat obscure, but it is usually held that the day was chosen to correspond to pagan festivals that took place around the time of winter solstice, when the days begin to lengthen to celebrate the 'rebirth of the sun'...The Romans Saturnalia (a festival dedicated to Saturn, the god of agriculture and to the renewed power of the sun), also took place at this time, and some Christians customs are thought to be rooted in this ancient pagan celebration."--- (1977), Vol. 6, p. 666.
Now towards the "astrological proof"....This is what the bible says about Astrology:
Deut. 18:10-12: "There should not be found in you anyone who...employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens...for everybody doing there things is something detestable to Jehova."
To the Babylonians he said: "Let your astrologers, your star-gazers who foretell your future month by month, persist, and save you! But look, they are gone like chaff...So much for your magicians with whom you have trafficked all your life: they have stumbled off, each of his own way, and there is no one to save you."--- Isa. 47:13-15, NE
Why base Jesus' birth on something that was in the first place disapproved by god? (Astrology)
Second of all the three Magi were actually astrologers from the east. Matt. 2:1,2 shows it. Stars led astrologers first to King Herod and then to Jesus and that Herod then sought to have Jesus killed. No mention is made that anyone other than the astrologers saw the "star". After they left, Jehova's angel warned Joseph to flee to Egypt to safeguard the child. Was that "star" a sign from God of was it from someone who was seeking to have God's Son destroyed?
Why would God tell Joseph to flee if that star was "supposely" up there b/c he chose it?
I personally don't base on anything Astrological b/c it's shown in the Bible that God disapproves it. It's like holding on to somebody's word knowing he lies. Look at what happened to the Babylonians. They believed in Astrologers before they did God and the whole city was destroyed.
Parra Power;2462380 said:Right.
vitu;2462622 said:I don't have the time to write towards this right now but I will do it later. All you had to say about the Babylonians was "haha"?(:/) wow
::shinji::;2462704 said:I think the "haha" was directed at you for believing that Babylon nonsense and taking everything you read in the bible as literal truth. Besides, what Kader posted had nothing really to do with astronomy or astrology, it's just evidence that shows how all those ancient religious figures are nothing more than plagurisms of each other.
In any case, why would you even believe in a god that murdered children and babies because their parents believed in astrologers? Why would a supposedly all-powerful god even care who the Babylonians believed in? That's like an insecure bully beating up kids just because they won't be his friend.
newbie original;2462720 said:What's stopping you from reading the Koran or some other religious book(and I'm sure that there are many) and making the same comment?
Nobody's forcing you(or him or anyone else) to believe in something(anything, infact). But, that doesn't mean that something is false.
::shinji::;2462727 said:......I do have a problem with "blind faith" though, maybe I just don't understand, who knows?
I think vitu mentions astrology in response to that bold paragraph in Kader's post.newbie original;2462667 said:So you're quoting(and then later agreeing) that God disapproves astrology, right? Where does Jesus' birth come in? That connection is not clear.