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The England National team thread
- Thread starter becksfranksteve
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Couse he plays in a top team who happens to be in the upfront of the Champions League, who happens to have won the same Champions League once and the Bundesliga several times.
He has something a knuckehead like Jenas from those Newcastle scumbags doesn't. It's called experience you teeenager. Plus is ain't a bad option. Check his bayern performances and you'll realise it.
Jeez this place if full of kids.
ok i have never seen him play 4 bayern , except the chelsea game ( where i didnt hear his name mentioned once)
yes he may play 4 a top team, but just because he plays abroad doesn't mean he should be in the england squad automatically. it should be based on performances 4 england not 4 your club.
Look at matt le tissier one of the gr8s for southampton, but just didnt cut it 4 england so never lasted.
he has made a fair few appearances 4 england and been a waste of time in every single one. He is one of those sideways players, the nice easy side pass. and he comes on and thinks he's david beckham taking over all the crosses and freekicks
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Does anyone remember when he came on and took over a freekick from frank lampard of all people, and it was such a poor kick like a little pass back. i think it was the last wales game.
so ye i wouldnt mind if he performed well for us and was allways in the squad,but the fact is he has been really poor everytime he has played 4 us and is allways one of the subs which winds people up so much, when there is so much quality on the bench!
And don't say this is full of kids , if u come out with stupid comments like
yes he may play 4 a top team, but just because he plays abroad doesn't mean he should be in the england squad automatically. it should be based on performances 4 england not 4 your club.
Look at matt le tissier one of the gr8s for southampton, but just didnt cut it 4 england so never lasted.
he has made a fair few appearances 4 england and been a waste of time in every single one. He is one of those sideways players, the nice easy side pass. and he comes on and thinks he's david beckham taking over all the crosses and freekicks
.Does anyone remember when he came on and took over a freekick from frank lampard of all people, and it was such a poor kick like a little pass back. i think it was the last wales game.
so ye i wouldnt mind if he performed well for us and was allways in the squad,but the fact is he has been really poor everytime he has played 4 us and is allways one of the subs which winds people up so much, when there is so much quality on the bench!
And don't say this is full of kids , if u come out with stupid comments like
which is the most childish thing iv'e heard allday
Deisler said:
What the ****?
What you're trying to say is becuase he plays for Bayern that automatically constitutes a place in the England squad despite the quality or form of the player! OMG OMG, Wes Brown plays for Manchester United, they've won the champions league and the premiership god knows how many times. He must be called up SVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get tae ****, douche bag
TheBlueBalla
Starting XI
Hargreaves is an above average squad player, and I have seen him play. I could maybe see him on the end of England's bench when there are injuries, but in terms of young DMs who are in line for a potential holding role, he is at least in third behind both Carrick and Parker in my mind, and its not even close. Like those two, he has time on his side, but unlike those two, he shows none of the potential that they regularly demonstrate.
Can anyone see Carragher as the rightback in Neville's absense. I had never seen him in that role, but I saw a lineup with him in that role floated on another forum, and if he is compotent enough, and can adjust to the wing play, then I'd be all for it, but I guess that presupposes JT will be fully fit for the game (whats the latest on him? Even the official site has f.a. about his knock at spurs
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Can anyone see Carragher as the rightback in Neville's absense. I had never seen him in that role, but I saw a lineup with him in that role floated on another forum, and if he is compotent enough, and can adjust to the wing play, then I'd be all for it, but I guess that presupposes JT will be fully fit for the game (whats the latest on him? Even the official site has f.a. about his knock at spurs
)
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Callum
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Deisler said:
wtf are you talking about, hargreaves is crap, end of, even bayern supporters admit it, but you probably either dont even watch bayern, or taking that us saying hargreaves is crap is saying bayern are crap, so you go on the defense. He is crap, no denying, so go away.
Terry out of qualifiers! 
Damn, now it's not only Gaz, Sol, King missing but Terry aswell...
I'd call up Taylor from Newcastle, at least as a backup if not a starter. he had a fantastic game at the weekend.
Damn, now it's not only Gaz, Sol, King missing but Terry aswell...
I'd call up Taylor from Newcastle, at least as a backup if not a starter. he had a fantastic game at the weekend.
-Vince- said:
thats a really poor argument , because i feel P.neville is only there because of gary. and Butt aint in the squad anymore, and when he was he was certainly better than hargreves.
Why does all the bayern fans, believe we are havin a go at there team its just 1 canadian tht we english don't feel belongs in the squad ,ok?
Knight replaces Terry
as for Saturdays line up I think it will be that one bellow:
---------------Robinson-----------
P.Neville-Ferdinand-Carragher-A.Cole
Beckham--Gerrard*--Lampard--J.Cole
----------Rooney---Defoe----------
*If Gerrard's not fit it will be Carrick and we'll probably play a diamond 4-4-2
but all that's just guessing...
what do you think ?
as for Saturdays line up I think it will be that one bellow:
---------------Robinson-----------
P.Neville-Ferdinand-Carragher-A.Cole
Beckham--Gerrard*--Lampard--J.Cole
----------Rooney---Defoe----------
*If Gerrard's not fit it will be Carrick and we'll probably play a diamond 4-4-2
but all that's just guessing...
what do you think ?
Luis Ah-Hoy
Senior Squad
Luckily for you, the "english Ricardo" (aka David James) is not included...
TheBlueBalla
Starting XI
Even if Gerrard is playable, I think the diamond, with Carrick holding it, would be worth at least a shot. The best thing about that midfield is that each player has a specific role within the offense.Seven8 said:
But if Gerrard even hints that he is good to go, its going to be him back in there, and the whole thing will be thrown off balance again...
Becks back in Training / Gerrard still uncertain
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David Beckham was back in full training with England on Wednesday as Steven Gerrard continued his recovery programme in a bid to be ready for Saturday's World Cup qualifier against Wales.
With John Terry out of the squad through injury and Michael Owen absent to resolve his club future, Beckham and Gerrard were the only two other players who missed Tuesday's initial session.
Beckham was resting a sore foot but he was back in action at Arsenal's London Colney training ground this morning as the countdown to Saturday's game in Cardiff continued.
Gerrard, meanwhile, was working out with physio Gary Lewin, as he did on Tuesday, with Sven-Goran Eriksson remaining hopeful the Liverpool midfielder will be able to face Wales.
Eriksson revealed on Tuesday night: "Steve Gerrard did some good work on Tuesday, not with the other players but with the physio. He will continue that on Wednesday. Hopefully on Thursday, he will train with us. The physio and doctor think he will be ready for Saturday."
Gerrard missed Liverpool's Super Cup tie last Friday against CSKA Moscow due to his calf injury, but is determined to take up his place in central midfield in Cardiff.
He may be joined in the side by Liverpool team-mate Jamie Carragher, with Terry having withdrawn from the squad with a knee injury sustained at Tottenham last Saturday.
While Fulham's Zat Knight has joined the squad in his place, the Chelsea captain could be ruled out for four to six weeks.
That not only rules him out of the qualifiers against Wales and Northern Ireland, but already makes him a doubt for the ties in October against Austria and Poland, as well as the Champions League group game at Anfield.
Jermaine Jenas was training with the England squad, but Owen was in the north-east to seal his transfer to St James' Park. Owen, the 25-year-old striker, is suspended for Saturday's game but was expected to join the England squad in time for Thursday's next training session before their journey to Cardiff
Copyright Press Association Ltd. Wednesday, 31 August 2005
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David Beckham was back in full training with England on Wednesday as Steven Gerrard continued his recovery programme in a bid to be ready for Saturday's World Cup qualifier against Wales.
With John Terry out of the squad through injury and Michael Owen absent to resolve his club future, Beckham and Gerrard were the only two other players who missed Tuesday's initial session.
Beckham was resting a sore foot but he was back in action at Arsenal's London Colney training ground this morning as the countdown to Saturday's game in Cardiff continued.
Gerrard, meanwhile, was working out with physio Gary Lewin, as he did on Tuesday, with Sven-Goran Eriksson remaining hopeful the Liverpool midfielder will be able to face Wales.
Eriksson revealed on Tuesday night: "Steve Gerrard did some good work on Tuesday, not with the other players but with the physio. He will continue that on Wednesday. Hopefully on Thursday, he will train with us. The physio and doctor think he will be ready for Saturday."
Gerrard missed Liverpool's Super Cup tie last Friday against CSKA Moscow due to his calf injury, but is determined to take up his place in central midfield in Cardiff.
He may be joined in the side by Liverpool team-mate Jamie Carragher, with Terry having withdrawn from the squad with a knee injury sustained at Tottenham last Saturday.
While Fulham's Zat Knight has joined the squad in his place, the Chelsea captain could be ruled out for four to six weeks.
That not only rules him out of the qualifiers against Wales and Northern Ireland, but already makes him a doubt for the ties in October against Austria and Poland, as well as the Champions League group game at Anfield.
Jermaine Jenas was training with the England squad, but Owen was in the north-east to seal his transfer to St James' Park. Owen, the 25-year-old striker, is suspended for Saturday's game but was expected to join the England squad in time for Thursday's next training session before their journey to Cardiff
England to play 4-5-1 ?
If I get it right, they'd play like that.
---------------Robinson-----------
P.Neville-Ferdinand-Carragher-A.Cole
---------------(no DM)------------
---------------Beckham-----------
---------Gerrard------Lampard-----
WrightPhilipps----------------J.Cole
----------------Rooney------------
If I get it right, they'd play like that.
---------------Robinson-----------
P.Neville-Ferdinand-Carragher-A.Cole
---------------(no DM)------------
---------------Beckham-----------
---------Gerrard------Lampard-----
WrightPhilipps----------------J.Cole
----------------Rooney------------
TheBlueBalla
Starting XI
You got it virtually dead on:Seven8 said:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=341355&cc=5901
Edit: I didnt realize your title was a link. I thought you just guessed the lineup
I couldve sworn reading somewhere else that the left side was going to be Joe Cole. Its weak to see Defoe sitting on the bench, but he hasnt exactly wowed in an England shirt yet. The biggest thing to me is cramming the three best midfielders the team has in an out of position, half assed arrangement when a Parker or Carrick could make the thing work.Eriksson to experiment in Cardiff
Sven-Goran Eriksson faces one of the biggest tests of his reign as England coach this weekend as he prepares for a dramatic shift in tactics to face Wales in Cardiff.
Eriksson is poised to choose a key World Cup qualifying tie to embark on a new experiment with his formation, with Wayne Rooney as the lone striker ahead of a five-man midfield in which David Beckham takes centre-stage.
With Michael Owen suspended, Eriksson and his coaching staff have been mulling over a shift in tactics for this game since the 4-1 defeat against Denmark last month exposed England's defensive vulnerability.
Eriksson consulted his senior players, including Beckham, Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard, on Tuesday evening and heard they also favoured a change in Owen's absence.
While there is some frustration that news of the move, which was meant to take the Welsh by surprise, has leaked out, Gerrard's return to full training today at least enabled Eriksson to perfect his new system.
As a result, Jermain Defoe looks set to miss out on the starting line-up, with Shaun Wright-Phillips and Joe Cole instead being selected on the flanks.
Although the duo have so far been only second choices in those positions for Chelsea, Eriksson is looking at bolstering his central midfield with Gerrard, Beckham and Lampard together.
The move would give Beckham the central role which he has craved for so long, while still finding room for the enigmatic Wright-Phillips.
It is, in many ways, a bold move given that Eriksson has only experimented with the system a couple of times before - in friendlies against Holland in 2002 and February 2005 - and has previously been committed to a 4-4-2 formation.
Moreover, he has already admitted that if England suffer another embarrassing defeat, his job could be on the line, while he still needs to counter criticisms of tactical inflexibility.
Oh, and Luke Young is going to start at Rightback: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/england/4199592.stm