The Kosovo Independence Thread {P+R}

[RobbieD_PL]

Goddamn it,

I hope you're happy screwing with another nation's territory.
Now we'll have a destabilized Balkans and the Caucuses will be f*cked as well.

And all for what, a Greater Albania? The Kosovar-Albanians will just wait untill the time expires for the EU/NATO mandate and do it anyway even if you don't want it to. Maybe then Serbia will attack to reclaim its territory, when you actually decide to give Kosovo its sovereignty, which is the idea in the first place. But then again, you all like f*cking with smaller countries don't you. It makes you feel that much bigger, doesn't it?

This precedent is bullsh*t. Did you think of any of the following?

Vojovodina

Republika Srpska/Srpska Krajina

Transylvania

Dunajská Streda - Komárno

Lusatia

Lapland

Transnistria

Chechnya

South Ossetia

Abkhazia

Nagorno-Karabakh

Pays Basque/Pais Vasco

Catalunya

Turkish Northern Cyprus

Well? Did you?

Again, I hope you're all f*cking happy.

And bybuti, you better have fired that AK liked I asked!

 

[Run DMB]

I'm kind of torn on this one. On one hand, I can empathize with the Kosovars. On the other, what would America be today if we had allowed the South to secede? We'd be another Canada.

 

[Ubik Valis]

Aslong as they don't mess with Bosnia and Croatia, I don't give a royal fu*k.

 

[RobbieD_PL]

Aslong as they don't mess with Bosnia and Croatia, I don't give a royal fu*k.

They won't but Serbia?

 

[Ubik Valis]

On the other, what would America be today if we had allowed the South to secede? We'd be another Canada.

You'd be a relatively decent, western, democratic country.

They won't but Serbia?

Care?

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Robbie, you sound like an un-Democratic prick.

 

[RobbieD_PL]

Robbie, you sound like an un-Democratic prick.

It's simple - Territorial sovereignty over self-determination. All those places I mentioned have ambitions for autonomy/independence, which if successful, would be altering the tentative balance in those two regions in the process. (Exception being Basques and Catalans of course, which is why Spain is against Kosovo's declaration.) Viewing the success of Kosovo's unilateral declaration, circumventing international law and not even an international concensus on the issue, these other locations might decide to go it alone too with sufficient support from a large enough country, which could not neccessarily be the U.S.

You can't forcefully deny a state's sovereign right over its territory.

And don't call me a Milosevic Supporter!

 

[easyeasyeasy]

This precedent is bullsh*t. Did you think of any of the following?

Vojovodina

Republika Srpska/Srpska Krajina

Transylvania

Dunajská Streda - Komárno

Lusatia

Lapland

Transnistria

Chechnya

South Ossetia

Abkhazia

Nagorno-Karabakh

Pays Basque/Pais Vasco

Catalunya

Turkish Northern Cyprus

Well? Did you?

Again, I hope you're all f*cking happy.

And bybuti, you better have fired that AK liked I asked!

Not to forget the UK will break into four seperate states the way things are going, quite ironic seeing as the government was in favour of the Ahtisaari Plan!

 

[RobbieD_PL]

Nah Only Three! There is only one Emerald Isle!

 

[easyeasyeasy]

Nah Only Three! There is only one Emerald Isle!

That would be a difficult political situation to call.

 

[RobbieD_PL]

I like smaller Albania better

That bigger one looks like American explorer with a racoon hat

 

[::shinji::]

Weren't muslim Kosovars and Bosnians Nazi collaborators during WW2? Let's not sweep inconvenient history under the rug..

http://www.kosovo.net/skenderbeyss.html

On the other, what would America be today if we had allowed the South to secede? We'd be another Canada.

Your literacy rate would be higher for starters.. and for future reference, I don't know what they told you but dissing Canada doesn't actually make you more American.

 

[Jambo Den]

Really can't say I know much about the Kosovo issue, but if it is the collective will of the people then ultimately you cannot stop them gaining independence. Generally if it is desired enough, it will be achieved (democratically or otherwise). Self determination and all that.

The downside being that 'Shortbread Tin' nationalists will be having a field day here, citing this as a precedent.

 

[Bobby]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovar_Superliga

 

[Tom]

Besa look like the sh1t Bobby

 

[Run DMB]

Your literacy rate would be higher for starters...

According to the CIA World Factbook, the US literacy rate = 99% and the Canadian literacy rate = 99%. Of course, those calculations were made by Americans so you'd be right to doubt them.

You'd be a relatively decent, western, democratic country.

Exactly, where's the fun in that?

 

[Run DMB]

I was just reading P.J. O'Rourke's "All the Trouble in the World" the other day and I loved this quote about ethnic relations in former Yugoslavia (I'm paraphrasing):

"The only difference between Croatians and Serbs is that Croatians don't go to mass and Serbs don't go to Orthodox church services. The difference between Bosnians and both of them is that Bosnians don't pray to Mecca five times a day."

 

[Deisler]

They won't but Serbia?

Wow that is very smart. Kosovo doesn't belong to Serbia you uneducated prick.
It was taken away from Albania 96 years ago. It is only fair and square they're independed.

Than after all the atrocities there are still people that don't see the truth. It's an Albanian majority you fool. Albanians are not even slavic.

 

[Run DMB]

So let's look at the pros and cons of this situation:

Pros

- Kosovars get their fray-dum
- pisses off the Serbs
- pisses off the Russians

Cons

- sets a potentially dangerous precedent
- makes Albanians happy
- creates one more country our K-12 students can't identify on a map

Tiebreaker...?

 

[Turk123]

I m extremely happy for our brothers in Kosovo! they have deserved to be independent.