The developers of kickoff 2 for the amiga have made a new version which wil hit the shelves in febraury so beware fifa and iss. You kan download a demo. Just go to http://www.ko-gathering.com/ This is the game !!!!!!!!!!!!!! it will blow fifa and iss away from the soccergaming scene. Because the developer Steve Schreech really listens to wishes which we cannot say from ****ing fifa developers. You even can make a hands ball and a keeper is not allowed to walk out of the box if he does the oppenent get's a free kick. During the game you, if you press 0 you can get all players back for a free kick or a corner. and much more.
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the legend returns kickoff 2002!!!!!
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johnnybrubacker
Youth Team
man, the graphics look a bit weak, is it just top down all the time?? Must say tho, the 9.99 price tag aint bad at all!
is't just the start, but verry good for the first version of a new pc soccer game especially the details. The gameplay is very good, especially with a joystick, you can give many effectts to a ball. for instance when you shoot enad you pull back the joystick you make al lob. All actions you can perform with 1 key ( button ) and a stick.
The sound sare also good, you here cheering if the home team scores and boohhh when te away team scores.
Very the graphics are very good, but they could be improved. But as i also said it's all about the gameplay and the details.
The top down is chosen because they wanted it to look like the old ko2. This is a great difference between iss and ko2002 and make it 2 games with 2 styles and difficult to compare.
The sound sare also good, you here cheering if the home team scores and boohhh when te away team scores.
Very the graphics are very good, but they could be improved. But as i also said it's all about the gameplay and the details.
The top down is chosen because they wanted it to look like the old ko2. This is a great difference between iss and ko2002 and make it 2 games with 2 styles and difficult to compare.
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flyer884
Guest
i dont know, maybe im playing a different game, but it BLOWS.
are you kidding me, its horrible. i uninstalled it after one exhibition match.
are you kidding me, its horrible. i uninstalled it after one exhibition match.
The FIFA RTWC Webmaster
Senior Squad
This might have worked back in the early nineties but it really is the same game now with only a few tweaks and better graphics...
I was a Kick Off fan back in the days and I'm sorry to say it but this doesn't hold anylonger...
If they slowed the game play down, made the ball control better (back in the day I was in favour of the way the ball was controlled but now I don't feel that you can create a realistic football game that way) the game could be interesting...
There seems to be lots of options and ability to create own leagues and cups and that is very good...
But the Kick Off game play is all end to end and that is not realistic...
I was a Kick Off fan back in the days and I'm sorry to say it but this doesn't hold anylonger...
If they slowed the game play down, made the ball control better (back in the day I was in favour of the way the ball was controlled but now I don't feel that you can create a realistic football game that way) the game could be interesting...
There seems to be lots of options and ability to create own leagues and cups and that is very good...
But the Kick Off game play is all end to end and that is not realistic...
Matthiasvdb
Youth Team
this game sucks
ok well the game is a bit too simple a bit old school it wont stand these days the gameplay is horribly difficult for a new player like myself i lways lose control of the ball my passes are all **** i know it takes some time to learn but why learn? the gameplay is unrealistic good for an arcade game tough but its still worth it if you dont have a ps1 or ps2 to play iss pe2 or pes its still better then fifa in my opinion
yup, it's basically the same game as KO2 although I think that was always the intention.
But Fifa RTWC Webmaster is is correct...the game is too fast and ball control is too hard. And passing is damn near non-existent.
I also used to love KO2 all those years ago and really liked the ball control system but now it's just crude and irritating.
And the view is far too close in so you can't see nearly enough of the pitch at any one time...the radar doesn't help much.
But I don't think that it's all bad news....if Steve Screech sorted out these problems, I'd happily pay £10 for it.
The team creation centre and the great range of options and custom tournaments is exactly what PES is missing, although it should have included a proper league structure with promotion and relegation.
The top-down view is OK but needs to zoom out and maybe come down to a lower angle, maybe 70 degrees rather than the direct overhead 90 degrees. The graphics are adequate.
And if the gameplay was made more realistic with a slower pace, proper ball control and better passing, I think it would be good for a casual arcade knockabout. I don't think that it would be that hard to simply modify some aspects of the game to make it decent fun.
In it's current state though, it just doesn't appeal.
But Fifa RTWC Webmaster is is correct...the game is too fast and ball control is too hard. And passing is damn near non-existent.
I also used to love KO2 all those years ago and really liked the ball control system but now it's just crude and irritating.
And the view is far too close in so you can't see nearly enough of the pitch at any one time...the radar doesn't help much.
But I don't think that it's all bad news....if Steve Screech sorted out these problems, I'd happily pay £10 for it.
The team creation centre and the great range of options and custom tournaments is exactly what PES is missing, although it should have included a proper league structure with promotion and relegation.
The top-down view is OK but needs to zoom out and maybe come down to a lower angle, maybe 70 degrees rather than the direct overhead 90 degrees. The graphics are adequate.
And if the gameplay was made more realistic with a slower pace, proper ball control and better passing, I think it would be good for a casual arcade knockabout. I don't think that it would be that hard to simply modify some aspects of the game to make it decent fun.
In it's current state though, it just doesn't appeal.
Matthiasvdb
Youth Team
I don't think that .
It will never be as good as ISS , but off course , you can't blame them for that
But I think I would chose fifa or Tif instead
The FIFA RTWC Webmaster
Senior Squad
"its still better then fifa in my opinion"
This depends which FIFA you compare it with. Since I believe that FIFA RTWC 98 is comparable even to ISS I do not agree with you...
And calling it "little bugs" is just B-S! This is how Kick Off was and probably always will be. It is no bug that the game play is super speeded and passing almost impossible. That simply is the way the game was made!
This depends which FIFA you compare it with. Since I believe that FIFA RTWC 98 is comparable even to ISS I do not agree with you...
And calling it "little bugs" is just B-S! This is how Kick Off was and probably always will be. It is no bug that the game play is super speeded and passing almost impossible. That simply is the way the game was made!
johnnybrubacker
Youth Team
although i must admit that the game is quite editable
Neutral LFC
Senior Squad
Hello everyone!!
BLASPHEMY!!! BLASPHEMY!!!!!
C'mon mate, if they did all that slower pace, proper ball control stuff then it wouldn't be Kick Off would it?
The crazy pace and steep learning curve are what made Kick Off such a classic.
Passing impossible? Very hard yes, but almost impossible impossible? Hell no - if you hadda played me in my prime lad I would have slaughtered you. Passing 'almost impossibe' my arse.
BUT SERIOUSLY....
While Matchday is probably the real grandaddy of football games, Kick Off and Kick Off 2 had a massive impact on what football games are today. They were both bloody hard (at first) but I think (casting my mind back to the late 80s early 90s) that the learning curve was on par with the more recent ISS Pro titles. Despite it's ludicrous speed it's still a high skill game - dribbling seems very hard at first because it doesn't stick to your feet AT ALL but I used to know lads back home who were amazing at dribbling weaving in and out of players like nobody's business. Even shooting with that banana-style aftertouch was tough because you had to time it just right - press shoot when the ball was right at your feet and it would make you trap the ball, press it when the ball is slightly ahead and you'd shoot it. Don't get me started on the heading. I mean look at what Kick Off 2 did back then 10 years ago - it had better (ie more realistic) ball physics (with the exception of the aftertouch) than Fifa does now! You could also save your replays back then and make highlites disks (I'm talking about the Atari ST and Amiga versions), not to mention the addon packs for Return to Europe, and of course importing your Player Manager team into the game.
Anyway, the young 'uns might not appreciate Kick Off 1 & 2 and that's understandable completely - you just had to be an avid gamer at that time - Kick Off 2 was the PES of that time and paved the way for other brilliant games like SWOS and ultimately what we have today. I broke many a joystick playing the original Kick Off and Player Manager - not out of frustration, but out of playing for so damn long!!
Kick Off 2 = The very definition of an arcade football game.
Now I have to download that new demo!!!
But first, the nurses are telling me to take my medication....
[Neutral is carried off in a straight Carlos*et......]
BLASPHEMY!!! BLASPHEMY!!!!!
C'mon mate, if they did all that slower pace, proper ball control stuff then it wouldn't be Kick Off would it?
The crazy pace and steep learning curve are what made Kick Off such a classic. Passing impossible? Very hard yes, but almost impossible impossible? Hell no - if you hadda played me in my prime lad I would have slaughtered you. Passing 'almost impossibe' my arse.
BUT SERIOUSLY....
While Matchday is probably the real grandaddy of football games, Kick Off and Kick Off 2 had a massive impact on what football games are today. They were both bloody hard (at first) but I think (casting my mind back to the late 80s early 90s) that the learning curve was on par with the more recent ISS Pro titles. Despite it's ludicrous speed it's still a high skill game - dribbling seems very hard at first because it doesn't stick to your feet AT ALL but I used to know lads back home who were amazing at dribbling weaving in and out of players like nobody's business. Even shooting with that banana-style aftertouch was tough because you had to time it just right - press shoot when the ball was right at your feet and it would make you trap the ball, press it when the ball is slightly ahead and you'd shoot it. Don't get me started on the heading. I mean look at what Kick Off 2 did back then 10 years ago - it had better (ie more realistic) ball physics (with the exception of the aftertouch) than Fifa does now! You could also save your replays back then and make highlites disks (I'm talking about the Atari ST and Amiga versions), not to mention the addon packs for Return to Europe, and of course importing your Player Manager team into the game.
Anyway, the young 'uns might not appreciate Kick Off 1 & 2 and that's understandable completely - you just had to be an avid gamer at that time - Kick Off 2 was the PES of that time and paved the way for other brilliant games like SWOS and ultimately what we have today. I broke many a joystick playing the original Kick Off and Player Manager - not out of frustration, but out of playing for so damn long!!
Kick Off 2 = The very definition of an arcade football game.
Now I have to download that new demo!!!
But first, the nurses are telling me to take my medication....
[Neutral is carried off in a straight Carlos*et......]
johnnybrubacker
Youth Team
Matchday? eh?
Well in 98 the creater of matchday created a new football game, Supermatch Soccer, which was also gameplaywise arcade style very fast play, graphicwise it was basically a 3d version of Fifa International, however the gamers did not like this game and noone really bought it, however i have my copy and think its a good game and occasionally play on it. Gamers do not really like this fast kind of gameplay anymore but a buildup passing one like ISS PES or PE2, this game is not really gonna be a success but i think ill get a copy
Well in 98 the creater of matchday created a new football game, Supermatch Soccer, which was also gameplaywise arcade style very fast play, graphicwise it was basically a 3d version of Fifa International, however the gamers did not like this game and noone really bought it, however i have my copy and think its a good game and occasionally play on it. Gamers do not really like this fast kind of gameplay anymore but a buildup passing one like ISS PES or PE2, this game is not really gonna be a success but i think ill get a copy
there is no doubt that it aint comparable with pes but i still think that its better and more fun after you learn how to play it then any fifa including 98(which is the best fifa out there no doubt ...) you can make good plays but it takes much much practice and a a very special joystick too 
I was also a big fan of KO2 and player manager...it was a fabulous combination...it was the first game to allow you to create your own team with your own proper tactics using player manager and then step out on the pitch and play with your team in KO2.
It had some superb ideas....the tactics editor was a revelation and is still ahead of many of the tactical editors of modern footy games.
The idea of having players with different skill levels was brand new...I remember having a great laugh loading up my team of division 3 turkeys from player manager and playing with them against international sides in KO2, watching them mis-kick shots 20 yards past the post.
It also had the great idea of allowing you to play as 1 single player in a team. So, you could decide to be the number 7 and played the whole game as the number 7. The rest of your team-mates were controlled by the cpu.
These ideas are still great to this day. But having played a few games of KO2002 this afternoon and then playing PES for an hour...by comparison, KO2002 sure is ****ty.
It's not really a completely fair comparison but the over- fast gameplay holds little appeal any more. Give me all the other stuff, the great tactical editor, the player manager thing, the controlling 1 single player of Ko2 and add all the great options/editors of KO2002 and combine it with the great gameplay of PES and were talking about something special.
It makes me all the more frustrated that KCET haven't yet done the decent thing and given us a decent editor and proper set of options. Good grief...it's 2002 and still they just give us the same lousy pile of international teams....WAKE UP !!!!
It had some superb ideas....the tactics editor was a revelation and is still ahead of many of the tactical editors of modern footy games.
The idea of having players with different skill levels was brand new...I remember having a great laugh loading up my team of division 3 turkeys from player manager and playing with them against international sides in KO2, watching them mis-kick shots 20 yards past the post.
It also had the great idea of allowing you to play as 1 single player in a team. So, you could decide to be the number 7 and played the whole game as the number 7. The rest of your team-mates were controlled by the cpu.
These ideas are still great to this day. But having played a few games of KO2002 this afternoon and then playing PES for an hour...by comparison, KO2002 sure is ****ty.
It's not really a completely fair comparison but the over- fast gameplay holds little appeal any more. Give me all the other stuff, the great tactical editor, the player manager thing, the controlling 1 single player of Ko2 and add all the great options/editors of KO2002 and combine it with the great gameplay of PES and were talking about something special.
It makes me all the more frustrated that KCET haven't yet done the decent thing and given us a decent editor and proper set of options. Good grief...it's 2002 and still they just give us the same lousy pile of international teams....WAKE UP !!!!