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the majority of fans here (USA) just don't want to follow soccer.

fh_29

Reserve Team
You are either a soccernista, or you are tired of listening to one. You either are part of the full blown (and more sizeable than critics want to believe) cult of American soccer fans, or you have been getting badgered half your life by one of them about how you just don't get it.

In an event that clearly defines the two camps, the draw for next summer's World Cup was announced Friday. You either cared, grew concerned when the United States got put into one of the "Groups of Death" and wondered how we'd deal with three-time champion Italy – or you were more interested in Colts-Jaguars, Duke-Texas or if Roger Clemens is really retiring.

No matter how much the soccernistas preen around, no matter how arrogantly they dismiss non-fans for their lack of understanding, no matter how they discuss the Premier League like it is the AL East or call the NFL "American Football," the reality is that the majority of fans here just don't want to follow soccer.

Not only was Friday's draw not shown on network television, ESPN didn't even deem it worthy of preempting "NFL Live" and instead shoved it to ESPN2 right after the lumberjack competition. :rofl:

That's reality. That's America. Just one thing and one thing only can change that.

We win.

The soccernistas have been promising a tidal wave of interest in soccer to overwhelm the country for decades. All it was going to take was getting Pele to play in the Meadowlands back in the 1970s. Or having a generation of kids weaned who played in youth leagues to become adults. Or the World Cup coming here in 1994, or the MLS, or Mia Hamm, or Freddy Adu.

Or even a nice effort in a World Cup, like the U.S.'s quarterfinals appearance in 2002.

None of it has worked. In fact, none of it has come close to working.

Virtually every kid in the United States has kicked a soccer ball at one point or another. Suburban fields are overrun with the sport by both boys and girls. In cities, immigrants play on tennis courts and dead-end streets.

People love to play soccer in America. They know the rules. They've seen the game. They still don't care about it in big numbers.

And they won't unless we are contending to be the best. That means winning it all. We finished in the final eight at the last World Cup. The final eight! Not bad. But no one outside of the soccernistas is aware of this. No one even knows that the United States is any good at all. Ask a random guy on the street and he wouldn't know we even qualified, let alone the name of a U.S. player.

Just having people play the game means nothing. Virtually every American has played table tennis, but do you know anyone who follows the pro level of the sport, which in Asia is bigger than just about anything? Me neither.

It's because no American wins on the world level (not to mention it is a little silly watching grown men play Ping-Pong), but mainly we aren't going to watch foreigners play sports.

This is the USA, where being No. 1 is expected. We have the richest economy, the most powerful military and the most influential entertainment industry. Eighth place doesn't cut it. Moral victories are meaningless.

We, like most countries, enjoy the sports we are great at. Because we are America, we export them around the globe. Baseball is an international phenomenon. Basketball is the world's single-fastest growing sport.

"Basketball is my generation's soccer," said Lamar Odom at the Athens Olympics where U.S. pros finished third because other countries fielded better teams.

Odom is a bit ahead of himself. The July 9 World Cup final in Berlin is expected to attract a television audience of more than one billion people. Basketball can't do that. Yet. But that is the U.S. mentality. We have our games. The rest of the world can take it or leave it.

Winning the World Cup will change that. If the USA makes a deep run next summer (semifinals at least), the nation will be enraptured, Miracle on Ice style.

It might not be probable. But for a change, it is possible. Our team is better, more experienced and more determined. Our best young athletes may not play soccer – wouldn't Michael Vick or Allen Iverson make brilliant attackers? – but we undoubtedly have excellent talent and world-class training.

No longer should success be qualified. If U.S. soccer wants to be taken seriously, it needs to deliver serious results.

The draw, yes, is very difficult. Group E contains heavyweight contenders such as Italy and the Czech Republic, meaning the U.S. is going to have to beat a great team to advance to knockout play.

But it is telling that the U.S. has improved so much its group would likely be considered the "Group of Death." We are the Gonzaga of the World Cup, the nasty mid-major no one wants to face. The question is when do we become Duke?

"I think one year we will win the World Cup," U.S. midfielder DaMarcus Beasley told ESPN2.

The sooner "one year" comes, the better. It might not be 2006, but this team needs to prove that the 2002 quarters was a stepping stone, not a destination.

"I think the advantage that we have is that we've been through a fairly successful World Cup," U.S. manager Bruce Arena said. "(We need to) apply it to this time around. I think I've learned a few lessons."

They'll need them. The soccernistas can keep trying to tell the rest of the country about what they are missing, about how their sport – the world's sport – is the best one and about how 1-0 games are more exciting than you'd think.

But nothing has ever changed the minds of the masses. Not Pele. Not the World Cup final in L.A. Not a professional league. Not any amount of soccer snobbery.


Only winning works. Which is why it is time for the U.S. to make it happen.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_y...YF?slug=dw-worldcup120905&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
 

Sevillista

Starting XI
I think it takes more than just winning. Sports shows have to throw their support to soccer or it will never take off. Soccer very very rarely makes it on sports center, and then you've got douchebags like Jim Rome who bash soccer whenever it comes up. The way things are right now, it's "cool" to hate soccer. With the US sports mentality right now, the majority will never understand the beauty of the game.
 

fh_29

Reserve Team
Sevillista said:
you've got douchebags like Jim Rome who bash soccer whenever it comes up. The way things are right now, it's "cool" to hate soccer. With the US sports mentality right now, the majority will never understand the beauty of the game.

sad but true
 

sl benfica

Reserve Team
315 million people worldwide watch the draw according to ESPN and AP thats almost 25x times the people who watch the NFL superbowl :o

ESPN did talk about the WC06 but that was on P.T.I . I think the MLS has to draw more attention to it, but in the 10 years the leaugue has been around only 2 teams are even profitable LA and NewEngland.
 

djgperu1

Senior Squad
yeah i was watchin the WC "draw" show in ESPN... but they only talked bout the US team... :rolleyes: so i decided to watch Univision.. which showed most of the event.. :jambo:
 

Zidane420

Reserve Team
Great, and somewhat true article.
I feel that For it to take off it will take atleast a Final appearance (yes semifinals wouldn't attract nearly asmany nonsoccer fans to watch it then a final would.) Plus after the world cup in the seasons following it must gain more time on the sports channels and there must be a concrete schedule of soccer games shown so people can follow it weekly. Also when we are in the final we must make sure that the masses of non soccer fans watching are entertained.


I mean if the average American truly new what soccer was about would there be any doubt that they would become just as amazed of the sport as we are. It has the cool accesseries(shoes, jerseys, balls) the NBA has. Also it is like the NBA in that the players can show off amazing skills on the field like And1 and street soccer. Soccer has the same long, rich history as Baseball and it has the contact and tacitical aspects that are seen in the NFL.
 

Bummy_JaB

Senior Squad
Winning the WC wont bring more fans to the sport...... Seriously MASS MEDIA can control what people like..... If they showed more games and cared more about it than it would grab people by the neck.....


Sum ppl tend to think the sport is "sissy" but i guess they never saw D.cisse crack his leg in half or know about the power behind a RCarlos shot.......


To tell u the truth i saw a basketball game where every little contact was a foul.... :rolleyes:
 

pasion1

Senior Squad
fh_29 said:
You are either a soccernista, or you are tired of listening to one. You either are part of the full blown (and more sizeable than critics want to believe) cult of American soccer fans, or you have been getting badgered half your life by one of them about how you just don't get it.

In an event that clearly defines the two camps, the draw for next summer's World Cup was announced Friday. You either cared, grew concerned when the United States got put into one of the "Groups of Death" and wondered how we'd deal with three-time champion Italy – or you were more interested in Colts-Jaguars, Duke-Texas or if Roger Clemens is really retiring.

No matter how much the soccernistas preen around, no matter how arrogantly they dismiss non-fans for their lack of understanding, no matter how they discuss the Premier League like it is the AL East or call the NFL "American Football," the reality is that the majority of fans here just don't want to follow soccer.

Not only was Friday's draw not shown on network television, ESPN didn't even deem it worthy of preempting "NFL Live" and instead shoved it to ESPN2 right after the lumberjack competition. :rofl:

That's reality. That's America. Just one thing and one thing only can change that.

We win.

The soccernistas have been promising a tidal wave of interest in soccer to overwhelm the country for decades. All it was going to take was getting Pele to play in the Meadowlands back in the 1970s. Or having a generation of kids weaned who played in youth leagues to become adults. Or the World Cup coming here in 1994, or the MLS, or Mia Hamm, or Freddy Adu.

Or even a nice effort in a World Cup, like the U.S.'s quarterfinals appearance in 2002.

None of it has worked. In fact, none of it has come close to working.

Virtually every kid in the United States has kicked a soccer ball at one point or another. Suburban fields are overrun with the sport by both boys and girls. In cities, immigrants play on tennis courts and dead-end streets.

People love to play soccer in America. They know the rules. They've seen the game. They still don't care about it in big numbers.

And they won't unless we are contending to be the best. That means winning it all. We finished in the final eight at the last World Cup. The final eight! Not bad. But no one outside of the soccernistas is aware of this. No one even knows that the United States is any good at all. Ask a random guy on the street and he wouldn't know we even qualified, let alone the name of a U.S. player.

Just having people play the game means nothing. Virtually every American has played table tennis, but do you know anyone who follows the pro level of the sport, which in Asia is bigger than just about anything? Me neither.

It's because no American wins on the world level (not to mention it is a little silly watching grown men play Ping-Pong), but mainly we aren't going to watch foreigners play sports.

This is the USA, where being No. 1 is expected. We have the richest economy, the most powerful military and the most influential entertainment industry. Eighth place doesn't cut it. Moral victories are meaningless.

We, like most countries, enjoy the sports we are great at. Because we are America, we export them around the globe. Baseball is an international phenomenon. Basketball is the world's single-fastest growing sport.

"Basketball is my generation's soccer," said Lamar Odom at the Athens Olympics where U.S. pros finished third because other countries fielded better teams.

Odom is a bit ahead of himself. The July 9 World Cup final in Berlin is expected to attract a television audience of more than one billion people. Basketball can't do that. Yet. But that is the U.S. mentality. We have our games. The rest of the world can take it or leave it.

Winning the World Cup will change that. If the USA makes a deep run next summer (semifinals at least), the nation will be enraptured, Miracle on Ice style.

It might not be probable. But for a change, it is possible. Our team is better, more experienced and more determined. Our best young athletes may not play soccer – wouldn't Michael Vick or Allen Iverson make brilliant attackers? – but we undoubtedly have excellent talent and world-class training.

No longer should success be qualified. If U.S. soccer wants to be taken seriously, it needs to deliver serious results.

The draw, yes, is very difficult. Group E contains heavyweight contenders such as Italy and the Czech Republic, meaning the U.S. is going to have to beat a great team to advance to knockout play.

But it is telling that the U.S. has improved so much its group would likely be considered the "Group of Death." We are the Gonzaga of the World Cup, the nasty mid-major no one wants to face. The question is when do we become Duke?

"I think one year we will win the World Cup," U.S. midfielder DaMarcus Beasley told ESPN2.

The sooner "one year" comes, the better. It might not be 2006, but this team needs to prove that the 2002 quarters was a stepping stone, not a destination.

"I think the advantage that we have is that we've been through a fairly successful World Cup," U.S. manager Bruce Arena said. "(We need to) apply it to this time around. I think I've learned a few lessons."

They'll need them. The soccernistas can keep trying to tell the rest of the country about what they are missing, about how their sport – the world's sport – is the best one and about how 1-0 games are more exciting than you'd think.

But nothing has ever changed the minds of the masses. Not Pele. Not the World Cup final in L.A. Not a professional league. Not any amount of soccer snobbery.


Only winning works. Which is why it is time for the U.S. to make it happen.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_y...YF?slug=dw-worldcup120905&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

"Baseball is an international phenomenon. ."

....What!? Baseball doesnt even reach to here in Canada (And we're right beside you guys). <The Blue jays had to have a 1$ game day and like 1000 people showed up <a season high :rolleyes: >

I don't know but from the Canadian Flag under you're name, im confused as to why you say "We came in 8th" when mentioning America. But maybe you were born there, so nm.

But you seem to try to make it sound as if the "soccer fans" are the arrogant ones who tell the americans "They dont get it"....when in reality it's the average guy who almost always laughs in the face of any fan.

But I dont know what's up with the states. Here in Toronto the Media has become extremely soccer friendly (3 channels that showed the draw highlights and analyzed it on the 3 main sport stations.....always show big euro results and show all the CL games (+ EPL matches on 2 channels <like around 4-5 games for saturday and sunday>, italian league)

I find it unexpected that Canada has surpassed the states in interest. Maybe it's because the immigrant population here is so close (for the individual nations). Last year during the WC, Toronto had to almost close down during the month (there wasnt 1 day where you wouldnt hear of the big streets being closed down because the Canadian/Koreans, Canadian/Portuguese, italians, spanish, german, were celebrating a win. <and never mind the other cities where you couldnt cross a street without seeing A "David Beckham" Poster downtown.)

(And besides the point that it's the most popular played sport in the nation <and not the same way as you say Americans play "Ping Pong">......I guess that's pretty good.

As a Canadian-Uruguayan fanatic of the sport, im thrilled.

But the media mentality in "non" nations like Australia and USA has got to stop. (I feel sorry for the Actual real Aussie football fans. I know 4 Australians (+ 1 Aussie teacher) that "knew" about Australia winning the PK but said that they and their families couldnt care less and explained how in Australia qualifying was "a faze" for the one night (the game) but interest plumetted later in the media for the average aussie (They love their rugby)


I get furious at times when I see the US assholes like Jim Rome. But i think saying that "Americans dont care because they cant win" is sad if it's true.

I guess it's the same thing for Rugby here, but atleast no one insults it in the media (I think barely anyone say the Rugby WC 2 years ago).
I know how you feel.....but the best thing to do is ignore them, interest will pick up because USA has way more fans than you give them credit for. dont worry :)
 

bigp

Reserve Team
pasion1 said:
"Baseball is an international phenomenon. ."

....What!? Baseball doesnt even reach to here in Canada (And we're right beside you guys). <The Blue jays had to have a 1$ game day and like 1000 people showed up <a season high :rolleyes: >

I don't know but from the Canadian Flag under you're name, im confused as to why you say "We came in 8th" when mentioning America. But maybe you were born there, so nm.

But you seem to try to make it sound as if the "soccer fans" are the arrogant ones who tell the americans "They dont get it"....when in reality it's the average guy who almost always laughs in the face of any fan.

But I dont know what's up with the states. Here in Toronto the Media has become extremely soccer friendly (3 channels that showed the draw highlights and analyzed it on the 3 main sport stations.....always show big euro results and show all the CL games (+ EPL matches on 2 channels <like around 4-5 games for saturday and sunday>, italian league)

I find it unexpected that Canada has surpassed the states in interest. Maybe it's because the immigrant population here is so close (for the individual nations). Last year during the WC, Toronto had to almost close down during the month (there wasnt 1 day where you wouldnt hear of the big streets being closed down because the Canadian/Koreans, Canadian/Portuguese, italians, spanish, german, were celebrating a win. <and never mind the other cities where you couldnt cross a street without seeing A "David Beckham" Poster downtown.)

I wouldn't call the media in Canada media friendly. Sure they show us more games but they don't mention it in newspapers or the sports shows. And when they do they don't mention anything about Canadian soccer.

You don't see articles on players like Paul Stalteri, Julien De Guzman, etc. so there's no awareness of it. I mean Jonathan De Guzman is a 17 year old wonderkid who's leading Feyenoord's midfield and is the talk of Holland but yet there's no mention of him at all in the Canadian media.


About the U.S. media. I think it's tough to sell the game in the U.S. simply because there are so many popular sports in the U.S. and the media will always favour the U.S. sports over International sports. It's the American mentality where they ignore the rest of the world that's the problem. Soccer is too much of a world sport and it's deemed as a threat to "America's favourite past time"(Baseball) and Good ole Monday Night Football.
 

Dream Team

Starting XI
I grew up watching football, Prost, Senna, Doohan, Carlos Sainz and Indurain. I love football and motorsports. You can only choose between the things you can see. If football has no presence in the media, the number of fans will hardly raise.

Also you can't expect that all of a sudden a big part of the country love something. It'll take its time. I believe football is growing in the United States. Winning something would boost the sport, but that's not very probable to happen at the moment.
 
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IceBlu

Guest
USA will come around sooner or later. Its not like the sport is dying without American support. Whatever.
 

untouchable

Senior Squad
The United States have always been independent of other countries in the world in anything. Sports, technology, food, politics whatever..the US always does it's own thing, and I dont see that changing anytime soon. The US prefers it's own sports and probably always will.
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
pasion1 said:
But the media mentality in "non" nations like Australia and USA has got to stop. (I feel sorry for the Actual real Aussie football fans. I know 4 Australians (+ 1 Aussie teacher) that "knew" about Australia winning the PK but said that they and their families couldnt care less and explained how in Australia qualifying was "a faze" for the one night (the game) but interest plumetted later in the media for the average aussie (They love their rugby)
That passage there is so incorrect I do not know where to begin.

I mean, I live in the country and almost every single thing you said is wrong. :rolleyes:
 

pasion1

Senior Squad
bigp said:
I wouldn't call the media in Canada media friendly. Sure they show us more games but they don't mention it in newspapers or the sports shows. And when they do they don't mention anything about Canadian soccer.

You don't see articles on players like Paul Stalteri, Julien De Guzman, etc. so there's no awareness of it. I mean Jonathan De Guzman is a 17 year old wonderkid who's leading Feyenoord's midfield and is the talk of Holland but yet there's no mention of him at all in the Canadian media.


About the U.S. media. I think it's tough to sell the game in the U.S. simply because there are so many popular sports in the U.S. and the media will always favour the U.S. sports over International sports. It's the American mentality where they ignore the rest of the world that's the problem. Soccer is too much of a world sport and it's deemed as a threat to "America's favourite past time"(Baseball) and Good ole Monday Night Football.

I agree that they dont talk at all about Canadian soccer (Let's face it, besides the NT there is NO Canadian soccer until the 3 MLS teams come in 2 years)

But the Sport sections of the Star, Sun and pretty much all the free papers always have Euro league results and an article about the EPL (+ league tables) as part of the sport section.

When Liverpool beat Milan it was front page in ALL of the Toronto papers.

Times have changed. The old fashion one of the "big 3", TSN (Sportsnet, score and TSN).......is not as in your face with football than Sportsnet or especially the Score.

The score's "new generation" feel for Toronto sport brodcasting has evolved with the times. It's as football friendly as any sport (even when talking about Basketball they sometimes take a break and talk for 5-6 minutes about some random EPL game) <btw, I love Sportsworld w/ JAmes Sherman <I met him when Brazil beat Germany in 02 in the streets covering the match.....awesome guy (Y)>

But about the Canadian soccer thing. Even the average CAnadian who is taking a liking to soccer is finding Euro football way more interesting to watch (The rise in SAtelite sales <legal or ilegal :p > in Canada has been incredible and is really being a bother to Rogers cable. <And these channels have by request like 10 major football channels <TyC, Fox Sports E, FSC, Galavision, Gol TV, Setanta, etc...........and im not including the ones that just show games in their channel> (I have all of these and all are fantastic channels)


Compared to the states where they actually try to put down the sport (all we have here is that joke Rob McLOWN (ch 22) who hates anything that isnt BAseball or Hockey <and hes American btw>

The MLS team will be a great step (as will the U 20 WC and the next Gold Cup held here) to advance the Canadian game. I dont blame them for covering mostly Euro.....i mean what would they cover if they HAD to do Canadian if there is almost nothing to cover?
 

pefan

Reserve Team
untouchable said:
The United States have always been independent of other countries in the world in anything. Sports, technology, food, politics whatever..the US always does it's own thing, and I dont see that changing anytime soon. The US prefers it's own sports and probably always will.

I dont think you know what the U.S gets up to when the citizens are not looking. :boohoo:

As for Sports. 99% of them dont know that most of the world population like "soccer" and that outside america no one really cares about American Football!!!
 

pede54

Team Captain
When you consider what a racial melting pot the USA actually is,and how football is the number one sport in all those countries that boost the US poulation every year,it is almost (or maybe wholly)Xenophobic the way the US media treat the sport.Football is the biggest and most popular sport on the planet.This we all know.Personally football is the only sport that interests me.Forget Cricket(sport?...dont make me laugh),rugby,NFL(minimal skills required),basketball (OK maybe the Harlem Globetrotters were entertaing in a "circus" kind of way,but for the life of me how a stupidly boring game like that commands popularity i will never understand.)and baseball(can baseball actually be regarded as a sport?....Girls in England play a similar game called rounders but they give that up by the time they turn 12 years old).These activities pale into insignificance when up against football.The globalisation of the beautiful game will continue whether the US media love it or hate it.Even if they did succeed in stemming the tidal wave,the only nation to miss out will be the US themselves.Which is a huge shame for the MILLIONS of US citizens who love the game but are not given the coverage(by the media) that their sheer numbers deserve.
In England,we still have die hard rugby and cricket fans,although they are a minority here.They also slag off the game.its not just the fans that slag off football but also some corners of the media too.Snobbery comes into it of course and also jealousy,but who gives a s.h.i.t what cricket or rugby fans think anyway.Football is bigger than anything on the planet and what you guys in the US (and Canada by the way)need to do is just be a little more patient.
Football in the US has only really been given a push over the last 35 years or so.When you see so many clubs around the world celebrating centenary years,then you see that football in the US is still in its infancy.35 years is not a long time at all to change a nations way of thinking.It took a lot longer than 35 years to make football the National sport in England so its gonna take a damn sight longer in the USA ,where you compete with the fat cat owners of the teams and the owners of the media.They know that once they give football a free reign,you can begin to say goodbye to the "all American" games,( sorry i cant call them sports).
So you gotta stay loyal to the game because without the fans ,there is no football.Maybe in another 35 years things will be better.Winning the World Cup might help a bit,but thats not the solution.That would be a short lived victory as once again football will be pushed into the background in favour of the other games.Eventually the mindset in America will change and accept football at least on an equal footing as other games.It will happen because as football grows in your country,people of influence in society will be replaced by others,who in the future will demand that things will be different.
No Nation on Earth can stop the tide that is football.Other Nations and cultures around the World, apart from the US, have tried but they have failed miserably.It simply cannot be stopped indefinately.
I wish good luck to the USA in Germany 2006,if only to stick one up the rear of the doubters and philistines back home in America.You see what they dont understand about football is this.....Of course every country competing in Germany would love to win the Cup....Only one Nation CAN win it.For those that do not make it as winners...there is no disgrace......there is no shame.....and i know it might seem old fashioned to the many young people even on these forums,but its the taking part thats important.Its about the USA playing against whoever is put in front of them and doing their best.I know that winning is everthing in the USA but for a lot of people in the rest of the World,all we expect of our National teams is that they DO THEIR BEST,and thats good enough for me and so it should be for everyone. :)
 

pasion1

Senior Squad
pede54 said:
When you consider what a racial melting pot the USA actually is,and how football is the number one sport in all those countries that boost the US poulation every year,it is almost (or maybe wholly)Xenophobic the way the US media treat the sport.Football is the biggest and most popular sport on the planet.This we all know.Personally football is the only sport that interests me.Forget Cricket(sport?...dont make me laugh),rugby,NFL(minimal skills required),basketball (OK maybe the Harlem Globetrotters were entertaing in a "circus" kind of way,but for the life of me how a stupidly boring game like that commands popularity i will never understand.)and baseball(can baseball actually be regarded as a sport?....Girls in England play a similar game called rounders but they give that up by the time they turn 12 years old).These activities pale into insignificance when up against football.The globalisation of the beautiful game will continue whether the US media love it or hate it.Even if they did succeed in stemming the tidal wave,the only nation to miss out will be the US themselves.Which is a huge shame for the MILLIONS of US citizens who love the game but are not given the coverage(by the media) that their sheer numbers deserve.
In England,we still have die hard rugby and cricket fans,although they are a minority here.They also slag off the game.its not just the fans that slag off football but also some corners of the media too.Snobbery comes into it of course and also jealousy,but who gives a s.h.i.t what cricket or rugby fans think anyway.Football is bigger than anything on the planet and what you guys in the US (and Canada by the way)need to do is just be a little more patient.
Football in the US has only really been given a push over the last 35 years or so.When you see so many clubs around the world celebrating centenary years,then you see that football in the US is still in its infancy.35 years is not a long time at all to change a nations way of thinking.It took a lot longer than 35 years to make football the National sport in England so its gonna take a damn sight longer in the USA ,where you compete with the fat cat owners of the teams and the owners of the media.They know that once they give football a free reign,you can begin to say goodbye to the "all American" games,( sorry i cant call them sports).
So you gotta stay loyal to the game because without the fans ,there is no football.Maybe in another 35 years things will be better.Winning the World Cup might help a bit,but thats not the solution.That would be a short lived victory as once again football will be pushed into the background in favour of the other games.Eventually the mindset in America will change and accept football at least on an equal footing as other games.It will happen because as football grows in your country,people of influence in society will be replaced by others,who in the future will demand that things will be different.
No Nation on Earth can stop the tide that is football.Other Nations and cultures around the World, apart from the US, have tried but they have failed miserably.It simply cannot be stopped indefinately.
I wish good luck to the USA in Germany 2006,if only to stick one up the rear of the doubters and philistines back home in America.You see what they dont understand about football is this.....Of course every country competing in Germany would love to win the Cup....Only one Nation CAN win it.For those that do not make it as winners...there is no disgrace......there is no shame.....and i know it might seem old fashioned to the many young people even on these forums,but its the taking part thats important.Its about the USA playing against whoever is put in front of them and doing their best.I know that winning is everthing in the USA but for a lot of people in the rest of the World,all we expect of our National teams is that they DO THEIR BEST,and thats good enough for me and so it should be for everyone. :)

Man that post was great. (Y)

I find it ironic how the states are the "Globalization machine" invading into all the cultures on earth ruthlessly (Toronto is pretty much "America Jr" here since we're so close to the states) and yet so powerful they seem, they are almost whining in their panic to stop football from entering them.

But Football isnt trying to "take over" the world. Like it's not like they are going to every nation "Make Football your #1 sport or we'll destroy you". I've seen FIFA heavily respect the other sports and make sure that they make Football a "Co" sport rather than an invasion (In Japan, they let the J -League grow on it's own without because trying to "take over Baseball" would have made the ppl hostile.

Btw, Basketball is fun in the playoffs when your city is there (boring as hell in season). But I love B-Ball because it's SO GOOD in South America (Imagine Basketball with Football type culture <singing fans packed 20,000 stadium, flares, swearing,>. The Argentinian and Uruguayan B-Ball leagues are nothing short of incredible (trust me, once you see a guy hit a 3 with 20 seconds left and the entire stadium start jumping up and down singing the victory and eventually storming the court with still time to play to celebrate..........it's nothing like the NBA that's for sure.

But i agree with many sports. American football does have SOME skill though (like the running back guys and the QB.....but even though my friend hates me for saying this, the defensive blockers (which he is in my university) is nothing short of "Ok man....you go run into that guy for awhile. Good. .....ok Do that for the rest of the game". lol

Hockey is a generally awesome sport and you have to be extremely skilled and extremely rich to play it, but it's one of the rare sports that are fun to watch on TV.

But Football for me is on another level. I fell in love with it without having my dad "push me" into it. The 2 games that hooked me were 1) Nacional/Penarol 92 league cup final............and 2) WC 94 Nigeria vs. ARgentina blew me away. (ESpecially since I thought Argies were invincible, then Nigeria scores. Then Cannigia scoring off the Maradona pass sent me and my dad (i was very young) going insane. It was maybe the most awesome thing I've ever see any one do (Just look at Maradona's face in the replay when he finds out Cannigia is open....priceless)


Fantastic WC memories :)
 

bjmenge

The Man From Ohio
pede54 said:
NFL(minimal skills required)
Man, you're a moron. Have you ever seen a football game? Or have you ever tried to throw a pigskin 50 yards downfield to hit someone running essentially the 100-yard dash in stride, all while 7 men are coming at you to try to rip your head off? Neither have I, but I bet it takes some skill. Not to mention the things running backs and linebackers do.

Man, I love soccer or football or whatever you want to call it, but that doesn't mean that other sports are no good or take no skill. Damn, some of you sure like to bitch about Americans who think (American) football is the only sport, or baseball, or basketball, or anyone who has as much love for their sport as you do for yours. Then you turn right around and act like football is the only game that matters. Hypocrisy at its finest. Most anyone that truly knows me knows how passionate I am about football, yet even I still recognize and respect other sports. You should try it.
 


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