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sslazio121087
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I just decided to give up so I deleted it if you're talking about me.
we're talking about timberlands now 
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Lui
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thank god this topic has taken a turning point. 
sslazio121087
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Seriously, I guess I started it.Originally posted by Lui
thank god this topic has taken a turning point.
I have long hair, several piercings, and don't wear the latest fashions. WHAT SORT OF PERSON AM I?
I have three university degrees, in sociology and politics, economics and philosophy, and mathematics and science. I am also about to embark on a doctoral scholarship. WHAT SORT OF PERSON AM I?
I have had jobs ranging from house painting, to doorman, to gas and heating pipe fitting, to builders labourer. WHAT SORT OF PERSON AM I?
I have also had jobs ranging from lecturing, to writing columns, to researching crime and punishment, to working for government departments. WHAT SORT OF PERSON AM I?
I cook dinner for my step-daughter, help her with her homework, do the vacuuming on a Saturday, and walk the dog each day. WHAT SORT OF PERSON AM I?
I protest, whenever I feel that the democratic right of people has been threatened and whenever the government takes actions that run counter to the feeling of the people. WHAT SORT OF PERSON AM I?
I have done, or still do, all of these things. WHAT SORT OF PERSON AM I?
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Reading through this thread, it sickens me that people who support this war, and claim to support democracy, dare to complain when people exercise their democratic right to voice their dissatisfaction with the government. To complain about that democratic right suggests nothing short of the fascist tendencies you claim to resist. Wake up. You want your democracy spoonfed, like your entertainment and your culture. If protesting was shut down, all you have left is your vote. And if thats all you want, you may as well live in a dictatorship, and line up every four years to tick the yes box next to the only choice available.
Thanks, Mr. Denny. I hope sslazio121087 gets it into his head that a person cannot be judged on looks alone. The way some people have commented here, it seems that if the protestors were wearing suits and ties then they would be 1. acceptable and 2. educated.
I haven't even hit thirty yet, quite a bit of time to go before that, and I can't stand it when claptrap like 'the protestors are uneducated because of what they wear' etc comes out of the mouth (or in this instance, keyboard) of someone who has yet to come close to the growing up.
I haven't even hit thirty yet, quite a bit of time to go before that, and I can't stand it when claptrap like 'the protestors are uneducated because of what they wear' etc comes out of the mouth (or in this instance, keyboard) of someone who has yet to come close to the growing up.
Too true, too true. And I have definitely noticed that ones haircut can seriously influence the way people deal with you. I had long hair from 14-22, short hair from 22-24, and have been growing it again since. And people do treat you different.
Heh, going WAAAAY off topic here.
Heh, going WAAAAY off topic here.
Haha this statement cracks me up. How high can the 'collateral damage' be? 1 million innocents? So that isn't mass slaughter? 2 million? Is that 'mass' enough for you yet? 3 million? Even higher? What, 6 million?Surely whether or not an action is 'terrorism' depends on what side you are looking at it from. The slaughter of mass numbers of innocent civilians? Not terrorism? By whose definition? Is the valium working?
In the period 1950 to 1975, America carpet bombing in South East Asia killed an estimated 5 - 10 MILLION people, over 90% of whom were non-combatants. Cambodia was bombed in secret for four years between 1969 and 1973, and the B52 bomber logs falsified to cover up the crime. The CIA estimated 600,000 Cambodian dead, and also reported that US bombing was a principle recruitment tool used by the then marginal Khmer Rouge party.
Iraq acquired all the techology for it's chemical, biological and nuclear programmes from the US, Britain, France and Germany. The US in particular supplied Iraq with weapons grade biological material originating from Fort Detrick, and from the American Type Culture Collection Company, in Maryland. These shipments were approved by the Pentagon, the US Department of Commerce and the US Treasury. It additonally supplied them with hundreds of tons of unrefined Sarin, the agent used in chemical warfare, and did so AFTER the Iraqi gas attack on Halabja, March 16th 1988.
America aided Saddam Hussein and the Ba'ath party into power in Iraq. Describing them as "...the political force of the future..." the CIA met with Ba'ath activists in the early 1960's. In the coup of 1963, thousands of Iraqi opposition political figures were murdered in three days, many them on a list which, according to journalist John Pilger, was supplied by the CIA. James Critchfield was the head of the CIA's Middle East Desk at the time. He later described the coup to authors Andrew and Patrick Cockburn for their book 'Out of the Ashes.'
"It was a great victory. [....] It was an operation where all the 't's were really crossed."
Another CIA agent testified to Congress: "He [Saddam] was a son of a bitch, but he was OUR son of a bitch."
The CIA was directly involved in the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Chile in 1973. General Pinochet's rule in Chile saw the murder of up to 10,000 people and a devastated economy, leaving 40% of the population living in abject poverty. It was the fist time in 300 years that Chile had not had a democratically elected government.
The Iran / Contra scandal revealed that US arms sales to Iran during the Iran/Iraq war were funding the Contra 'death squads' in Nicaragua, who murdered thousands of civilians. The US additionally mined Nicaragua's harbours. These practices was primarily planned and excecuted by Colonel Oliver North and General Richard Secord, during the Reagan administration. Operating out of the basement of the National Security Council adjacent to the Whitehouse, it was code-named 'Operation Democracy.' The US sponsored Contras were provided with arms, food, military training and CIA surveillance and intelligence overflights to wage a 'low intensity conflict' (a euphemism for state sponsored terrorism) whose targets included health clinics, farms and peasant cooperatives.
In 1986 the Nicaraguan government gathered evidence of Contra attrocities and their US support, and took their case to the World Court. They won. The World Court ordered the United States to cease any and all activity in support of the Contras and additionally ordered the US to pay huge reparations to Nicaragua. The US refused to accept the court's ruling, stated that it would not accept any future rulings, and in fact increased its' aid to the Contras. The following year Nicaragua sponsored a resolution in the United Nations, calling upon member states to uphold international law, among which are the sanctity of borders and illegality of proxy armies. The US voted against it, and stands in history as the only UN member state to have ever voted against a resolution calling for adherence to international law.
Indeed the US has, since 1950, conspired in the overthrow of democratically governments, supported brutal dictatorships, and trained and sponsored terrorists all over the world. Among them are Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega and Osama Bin laden. Many were trained at the 'School of the Americas' (SOA) at Fort Benning in Georgia. In December 1981 in the village of El Mozote, El Salvador, between 700 and 100 people, all civilians, were killed by Salvadoran military forces. In November 1989 six Jesuit priests and two civilians were murdered. Respectively: 10 of the 12 soldiers cited for the massacre at El Mozote, and 19 of the 26 Salvadoran officers involved in the murder of the priests, were former SOA graduates. Training manuals used by the school in 1991 were released under public pressure by the Pentagon in 1996. They revealed detailed teaching methods of torture, execution, blackmail and coercion of relatives.
From the early 1960's to 1975 the US Office of Public Safety (OPS) operated 'The International Police Academy', first in Panama, then in Washington DC, providing training for 10,000 foreign police officers. A further estimated 1,000,000 officers were trained abroad under the OPS programme, even with classes on assassination weapons, and supplied with weapons, ammunition, radios, patrol cars, tear gas, gas masks, batons and other crowd control devices. Bomb making classes were taught at Los Fresnos in Texas. In 1975, amid public outcry, the US Congress abolished the OPS, but the Drug Enforcement Agency, FBI and the Defense Department quietly resumed the programme under different names.
The US has militarily intervened in the affairs of at least 20 countries. In not a single case has a government arisen that was fully democratic or respectful of human rights.
China (1945-46)
Korea (1950-53)
China (1950-53)
Guatemala (1954)
Indonesia (1958)
Cuba (1959-60)
Guatemala (1960)
Congo (1964)
Peru (1965)
Laos (1964-73)
Vietnam (1961-73)
Cambodia (1969-70)
Guatemala (1967-69)
Grenada (1983),
Libya (1986)
El Salvador (1980s)
Nicaragua (1980s)
Panama (1989)
Iraq
(1991-present)
Sudan (1998)
Afghanistan (1998)
and
Yugoslavia (1999)
The US, whilst constantly declaring its' support for 'democracy' and 'civilised values' continues to be an ally and supports the dictatorships of dozens of countries including Turkey, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Indonesia, where widespread human rights abuses occur, documented in detail by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, amongst others. Turkey, despite repeated invasions of Iraqi Kurdistan and the displacing, repressing and killing tens of thousands of Kurds within Turkey, continues to receive the greatest amount of US military aid of any European country.
The US and UK were the primary arms suppliers to Indonesia during its' invasion and occupation of East Timor, beginning in 1975. 200,000 East Timroese, one third of the entire population, died under Indonesian rule.
The US and UK also supported the internal purge of Indonesia led by dictator General Suharto in the early 1960s. As many as one million Indonesians died. Indonesia's economy was then essential re-designed by US corporations, sowing the seeds of the globalisation movement. The UK royal family continued to host state visits by Suharto and his staff.
American administrations constantly refer to 'terrorism' and its' prevention but never ask what causes it, or concedes that terrorism is in fact in sharp decline. Rates of terrorist acts including bombing and hijacking has fallen dramatically since the early 1970s. Prior to the events of September 11th 2001, the greatest terrorist act ever carried out on American soil was by an American citizen - Timothy McVeigh and the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma, 1996. There are now grave doubts that McVeigh acted alone or that the ATF and FBI had no foreknowledge. 3000 documents were withheld by the FBI from McVeigh's defence lawyers, causing a stay of execution.
There are dozens of terrorists and terrorist organisations living freely in the US. The Cuban exile community in Florida have undertaken numerous hotel bombings, air and boat hijackings, and at least one murder, and not a single prosecution has ever been brought by the US. Many former Latin American and other military leaders are primarily resident in Florida, including:
- From Guatemala - Defence Minister Hector Morales (implicated in the torture and murder of American nun Sister Dianna Ortiz and eight Guatemalemans and their families.)
- From El Salvador - General Jose Garcia, and his successor General Carlos Casanova, who respectively have murdered thousands of Salvadorans, and covered up and protected those responsible for the rape and murder of three American nuns in 1980.)
- From Haiti - Lt. Colonel Paul Jeremie (convicted of torturing political opposition), General Prosper Avril (who tortured political opposition and then displayed them on television - was actually flown to Florida by the US government in 1990), Colonel Carl Dorelien (who oversaw the murder of an estimated 5000 Haitian civilians) and Emmanuel Constant (death squad leader on the CIA payroll and former head of the para-military group FRAPH) now lives in New York. The US State Department refused a Haitian extradition request to hand him over for trial.
- From Chile - Armando Larios (military squad member who tortured and executed at least 72 people aftert the CIA aided coup overthrew the democratically elected Allende government in 1973)
- From Argentina - Admiral Jorge Enrico (associated with the 'Escuela Mecanica' torture centre in Buenos Aires during the so-called 'Dirty War' period of 1976-1983) is now living in Hawaii.
- From Cambodia - Thiounn Prasith (Cambodian envoy to the UN for the Khmer Rouge 1979 to 1983, even though the Khmer Rouge had lost power in 1979. Prasith was a major apologist for Pol Pot, and played a major role in the attrocity cover up) Now living in Mount Vernon, New York.
On 21st September 1998 former US President Bill Clinton addressed the United Nations:
"What are our global obligations? To give terrorists no support, no sanctuary."
Economic sanctions imposed by the US on other countries violate the US' own legal code, specifically TITLE 18, 2331, which defines 'International Terrorism' as:
"...acts dangerous to human life [....] that appear intended to coerce a civilian population or to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."
Despite enforcing sanctions against Iraq that include foodstuffs and medicines, America signed UN Security Council Resolution 787, 16th November 1992, on Bosnia and Herzegovina. Paragraph 7 stated:
"Condemns all violations of international law, including [...] the deliberate impeding of the delivery of food and medical supplies to the civilian population."
hehe, nah, I could have gone along with that until the 'mass slaughter' comment came out, I wouldn't miss a howler like that one.
And anyway, there are many intelligent posters here. Fatmax does argue in a consistent fashiion, trying to back up what he says etc. And that is far more intelligent than the smart-ass response that people who don't have a clue often end up doing (the moron brothers, if you know who I mean - thanks to Hugo I now have a shorthand name for them).
I think I already explained why it is possible, even in much harsher conditions.
Originally posted by Lui
Also, i couldnt change rout or plans, because i had to see my optometrist before i went to uni. also i had to catch up with my gf and some friends who i hadnt seen for several weeks.
furthermore, my parents work for their money, so why should i feel lucky im not starving when they earn it, its not like they are getting it for free.
Again, if ur against war, then why are u concerned about iraqi civilians dieing/starving, i mean if they are starving pre-war... whats post-war gonna do, continue starvation?
Why should i have to change my schedule for some selfish pricks, i change my schedule, only for my family and friends, and other things i deem important. Protesters=not important.
Lol! Oh, you think hundreds of thousands of people are selfish because they didn't change their schedule to suit your needs.
Lui, get the facts straight. Do you even know why they are starving and don't have available medicine?
Man, you're simply arrogant and have no perception of how lucky we all are. Your parents work for money, so what? Iraqis don't!?
What would your mommy and your daddy do if they had no hospitals to resort to, no pharmacies, bombs falling everywhere?
I think most of you kids live in this bubble and have trouble grasping the reality others have to face on a daily basis. That's how I explain that people like you feel that those who are preaching non-violence are selfish.
I hope you'll one day realize, without the bombs falling around you, the lack of food and medicine, that if preventing you from seeing some friends is what it takes to help stopping a war then it's well worth it.
sslazio121087
Reserve Team
Yes, but I think that we already repaid they're debt saving France's ass in one World War, and then France owes them for getting their ass saved in the other World War.
Oh and how is it a proven fact. Explain please.
Edit: I agree too it's just not a fact
xxxFLYERxxx
Starting XI
Nope, thats not a fact. Thats what you think would of happened if France never helped us.
Yes, they helped us a great deal, but you never know what would of happened.
Edit: i agree with your statement. but its not a fact.
juventusita
Senior Squad
Mandeep yes.