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man.... i really wanted to see australia winning but wilkinson....i swear before the final someone should've broken his freaken leg so he can't kick!!!! TOO LATE FOR AUS....
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The Rugby Union Discussion
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If we weren't good enough to stop the rest of the English team from putting Wilkinson in a position to win the game we didn't deserve to win it.
He isn't the one that rolls the mauls 30 meters down field or makes the crucial break from the back of the ruck, he is just there to finish it. The rest of their team does all the work Wilkinson is just good enough to capitilise on it.
Reading the comments in the editorials in yesterdays papers made me ashamed to be an Aussie.
All of these ignorant morons writing in and still criticising England just show what little knowledge they have of sport. We call poms whingers, well listen to us, we're ten times as bad at the moment.
One day we might realise that if it weren't for the great team Wilkinson had around him he would not have even got that shot in the first place.
He isn't the one that rolls the mauls 30 meters down field or makes the crucial break from the back of the ruck, he is just there to finish it. The rest of their team does all the work Wilkinson is just good enough to capitilise on it.
Reading the comments in the editorials in yesterdays papers made me ashamed to be an Aussie.
All of these ignorant morons writing in and still criticising England just show what little knowledge they have of sport. We call poms whingers, well listen to us, we're ten times as bad at the moment.
One day we might realise that if it weren't for the great team Wilkinson had around him he would not have even got that shot in the first place.
hahaha Irony=You calling those people arrogant...
We had MORE shots at goal than England...More penalty chances...Flatley kicked 4/6 penalties, Wilkinson 4/4....
If its all about Englands forwards etc etc, than how good must the Aussie forwards be to give Flatley even MORE shots!
Well, just as in football, the world cup isn't designed to find the best team in the world. But if the Super 9 was a league format, then yes it would be a pointer to the best team. The trouble is though, it would weaken our domestic competition ye again. The All Blacks were always so strong precisely because our NPC domestic league was so competitive and strong. That was until the pressures of Super 12 were added to the calendar, and we have seen since then how Australia have caught up on the international scene as a result. If the Super 9 gets off the ground, sure it will be exciting, but would only further erode grassroots rugby in NZ.
So I am wary of it.
So I am wary of it.
I agree. Rugby needs to be strengthened at hte club levl not international.
The gap here between Super 12's and club rugby is huge. We need to have the top players playing for their clubs more often.
The crowds for a sydney club game rarely get above 700 people because none of the big names are playing. With Super 12 and Internationals the top players are lucky to play 3 or 4 games a year for their club.
I dont know too much about this super 9 proposal but if it's going to take the elite players away from the local scene for even longer I'm not too keen on it.
John O'neill says in todays paper that he wants Rugby to be the dominant winter code in NSW and QLD but I cant see that happening with the local game at the state that it is. If you take the top guys away for even longer there is no chance at all that people will watch a game of club rugby when they can go to the rugby league and see all of the stars week in and week out.
The gap here between Super 12's and club rugby is huge. We need to have the top players playing for their clubs more often.
The crowds for a sydney club game rarely get above 700 people because none of the big names are playing. With Super 12 and Internationals the top players are lucky to play 3 or 4 games a year for their club.
I dont know too much about this super 9 proposal but if it's going to take the elite players away from the local scene for even longer I'm not too keen on it.
John O'neill says in todays paper that he wants Rugby to be the dominant winter code in NSW and QLD but I cant see that happening with the local game at the state that it is. If you take the top guys away for even longer there is no chance at all that people will watch a game of club rugby when they can go to the rugby league and see all of the stars week in and week out.
Originally posted by Larry
700 people at a club game? Whoa we get atleast 10,000 here for every wellington game, and we are ****
The super 9 is gonna be awesome. I hope this goes ahead, but that every two years its in the north hemisphere, and then next its in the south etc
Hey, Wellington made it to the final
But yeah, NPC usually gets crowds in the thousands, but sadly has fallen off somewhat since the Super 12 kicked off. But then it has always been the case that NZ has had the strongest domestic league.
I guess Super 9 would be ok if it replaces current international tours, but what about a team like Argentina, who are better than Italy and Scotland at least, and capable of upsetting the big teams on their day? Surely they would be miffed...
I guess it would also need to be thought out regarding where the games will be played, and the structure. I personally would like to see a league structure, where everyone plays each other once, then semis and a final... but that would be pretty hard going.
We have never had massive crowds at our club games. In the 80's and early 90's you might get 2 or 3 thousand but since the invention of super 12's no one goes because they dont get to see the Larkham's and Waughs play.
I Read a bit more about this super 9 thing. It would be good to see, but I reckon it would take a bit of the prestige from the world cup.
I dont know if I want to see Australia play England or New Zealand play France every year. I like the way it is now that you only get to see these teams every couple of years, it gets you more excited when they play.
Dunno, it would be good, but I think it will effect the local game too much.
I Read a bit more about this super 9 thing. It would be good to see, but I reckon it would take a bit of the prestige from the world cup.
I dont know if I want to see Australia play England or New Zealand play France every year. I like the way it is now that you only get to see these teams every couple of years, it gets you more excited when they play.
Dunno, it would be good, but I think it will effect the local game too much.
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The idea of a Super 9 is a joke because thats your WC right there. It gets stale when the same nations play each other every year, it really does. Who else recalls the days of three month tours when nations would play every provincial side in the country they were touring. That gave those small teams an incentive to beat the big boys, like the AB's. Thats when the Blacks were really feared. Now teams play one off tests and theres no real meaning behind them atches. It used to be that the AB's could go years without playing the home nations. In the 80's they had a seven year span in between tests gainst Wales, from 1980 to 87. And it took them six years to get to England, from 85 to 91.
Choppy, when youre speaking of our club competition, it is worth pointing out, that we dont actually have a NATIONAL club comp. Our biggest is the Sydney Grade comp, and then we also have comps in other states, but we dont have anything national, like the Kiwis have the NPC...I believe a national comp is planned for 2005 or 2006 tho. 
As I said, Wilkinson didnt attempt more penalties (he kicked 4/4, Flatley 4/6), AND the reason he went for more drop goals was because he can get drop goals...Larkham cant kick a field goal for sh!t, apart from that one freaky 45m one against South Africa in 99 (ask anyone that knows, and Larkham isnt a very good drop kicker usually), and Flatey isnt nearly as good as Wilkinson at drop goals, and at inside centre is often too far from the action to kick them anyway....
But yeah, they say it didnt come down to kicking the stats show otherwise...We had more penalties in kickable range than England...
As for Super 9s, I dont like it....
Its too much travelling, and means making schedules even fuller...I also think that it shouldnt just be a matter of combining Tri-Nations with Six-Nations...Argentina would be unlucky not to get a game in any world wide sort of tournament, and I think Fiji and Samoa are BOTH better than Italy...
Originally posted by Alex
Choppy, when youre speaking of our club competition, it is worth pointing out, that we dont actually have a NATIONAL club comp. Our biggest is the Sydney Grade comp, and then we also have comps in other states, but we dont have anything national, like the Kiwis have the NPC...I believe a national comp is planned for 2005 or 2006 tho.
If we are going to get a national competiton a lot of the 48 million generated from the world cup is going to have to be thrown into it.
It would be fanatstic for this to happen and i really hope it does but the club structure needs funding. I played grade rugby for 5 years and it was so evident that there was no money there. I only played low to mid grades and had to pay over $150 a season to play. When the first grade teams came out the majority of the crowd was made up from the lower grade players and their girlfriends. No money is generated from gate takings and sponsorship is minimal.
I really like the concept of a national club competition but there is going to have to be alot of teams amalgamating and the top players are going to have to be available for the crowds to be interested.
AS i said a fair chunk of that money is going to be needed to make a national club comp successful and I dont think that a super 9 tourney is going to help. We need to bridge the gap between club and super 12.
Strong NZ Baabaas Team Named
05/12/2003 07:24 PM
Marc Hinton
The New Zealand Barbarians have named a strong squad packed full of players with plenty to prove to take on Clive Woodward's world champion champion England at a sold out Twickenham on December 20.
The Barbarians may not have had the luxury of picking any incumbent All Blacks for the hugely anticipated fixture, but they have still come up with a useful lineup with plenty of international experience and, especially, truckloads of motivation.
The club's officials last night named a squad of 21 (with one to be added) to make the trip to London and given the enormity of the task against the hardened pack of Martin Johnson and his men it looks to be a lineup with plenty of ability in the forward pack.
Unwanted All Black Taine Randell, now with Saracens, will lead the side and he will have nine other players with international experience among his forwards. Of particular interest will be how the likes of Tony Woodcock, Deacon Manu, Norm Maxwell, Simon Maling, Josh Blackie and Sam Harding perform against the crack English side.
They could all be considered fringe All Black contenders and will, no doubt, be keen to prove they have the ability to either take the step up in class, or in the case of some retrace those steps.
Among the backs the Barbarians will boast is the game's most potent attacking threat in Fijian flyer Rupeni Caucaunibuca, as well as the traditional international presence in the form of South African Jorrie Muller, Australian Graeme Bond and Samoan Tanner Vili.
The backline will also feature recent All Blacks Danny Lee, Keith Lowen and Nathan Mauger as well as traditional non-internationals in the form, of Rico Gear and Glen Carlos*son.
NZ Barbarians to play England: Forwards: Tony Woodcock (Nth Harbour), Andrew Hore (Taranaki), Filo Tiatia (NEC Toyota, Japan), Craig Dowd (Wasps), Deacon Manu (Waikato), Norm Maxwell (Canterbury), Simon Maling (Otago), Troy Flavell (Nth Harbour), Taine Randell (Saracens, captain), Xavier Rush (Auckland), Josh Blackie (Otago), Sam Harding (Otago).
Backs: Danny Lee (Otago), Glen Carlos*son (Bay of Plenty), Keith Lowen (Waikato), Nathan Mauger (Canterbury), Rico Gear (Nth Harbour), Rupeni Caucaunibuca (Northland), Jorrie Muller (Sth Africa), Graeme Bond (Sale Sharks), Tanner Vili (Samoa). A halfback to be added.
Coach: Bryan Williams. Manager: Rex Davy.
05/12/2003 07:24 PM
Marc Hinton
The New Zealand Barbarians have named a strong squad packed full of players with plenty to prove to take on Clive Woodward's world champion champion England at a sold out Twickenham on December 20.
The Barbarians may not have had the luxury of picking any incumbent All Blacks for the hugely anticipated fixture, but they have still come up with a useful lineup with plenty of international experience and, especially, truckloads of motivation.
The club's officials last night named a squad of 21 (with one to be added) to make the trip to London and given the enormity of the task against the hardened pack of Martin Johnson and his men it looks to be a lineup with plenty of ability in the forward pack.
Unwanted All Black Taine Randell, now with Saracens, will lead the side and he will have nine other players with international experience among his forwards. Of particular interest will be how the likes of Tony Woodcock, Deacon Manu, Norm Maxwell, Simon Maling, Josh Blackie and Sam Harding perform against the crack English side.
They could all be considered fringe All Black contenders and will, no doubt, be keen to prove they have the ability to either take the step up in class, or in the case of some retrace those steps.
Among the backs the Barbarians will boast is the game's most potent attacking threat in Fijian flyer Rupeni Caucaunibuca, as well as the traditional international presence in the form of South African Jorrie Muller, Australian Graeme Bond and Samoan Tanner Vili.
The backline will also feature recent All Blacks Danny Lee, Keith Lowen and Nathan Mauger as well as traditional non-internationals in the form, of Rico Gear and Glen Carlos*son.
NZ Barbarians to play England: Forwards: Tony Woodcock (Nth Harbour), Andrew Hore (Taranaki), Filo Tiatia (NEC Toyota, Japan), Craig Dowd (Wasps), Deacon Manu (Waikato), Norm Maxwell (Canterbury), Simon Maling (Otago), Troy Flavell (Nth Harbour), Taine Randell (Saracens, captain), Xavier Rush (Auckland), Josh Blackie (Otago), Sam Harding (Otago).
Backs: Danny Lee (Otago), Glen Carlos*son (Bay of Plenty), Keith Lowen (Waikato), Nathan Mauger (Canterbury), Rico Gear (Nth Harbour), Rupeni Caucaunibuca (Northland), Jorrie Muller (Sth Africa), Graeme Bond (Sale Sharks), Tanner Vili (Samoa). A halfback to be added.
Coach: Bryan Williams. Manager: Rex Davy.
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Former British Lions and Wales coach Graham Henry is the new coach of the All Blacks.
Henry was chosen in preference to ex-coach John Mitchell, who had had to re-apply for his post after New Zealand's poor World Cup.
Henry was the Wales coach from 1998 to 2002, with a record of 20 wins, one draw and 13 defeats.
He also coached the Lions on the tour of Australia in 2001, a series the Lions lost 2-1.
"In the board's view, Graham Henry is the most qualified person to coach the All Blacks and achieve the very high standards we expect from them," NZRU president Jock Hobbs said.
Henry has signed an initial two-year contract.
The All Blacks won 11 of 13 Test matches this year and clinched the Tri-Nations title for a second successive year, as well as reclaiming the Bledisloe Cup from Australia.
But despite being billed as pre-tournament favourites they lost their World Cup semi-final to Australia.
After the tournament, the New Zealand Rugby Union threw the job open, citing Mitchell's difficult relationship with the media and sponsors - rather than his record - as the main factors behind the decision.
Both candidates were interviewed for more than four hours earlier this week by a three-man panel comprising union chief executive Chris Moller, director Mike Eagle and vice president John Graham.
Former British Lions and Wales coach Graham Henry is the new coach of the All Blacks.
Henry was chosen in preference to ex-coach John Mitchell, who had had to re-apply for his post after New Zealand's poor World Cup.
Henry was the Wales coach from 1998 to 2002, with a record of 20 wins, one draw and 13 defeats.
He also coached the Lions on the tour of Australia in 2001, a series the Lions lost 2-1.
"In the board's view, Graham Henry is the most qualified person to coach the All Blacks and achieve the very high standards we expect from them," NZRU president Jock Hobbs said.
Henry has signed an initial two-year contract.
The All Blacks won 11 of 13 Test matches this year and clinched the Tri-Nations title for a second successive year, as well as reclaiming the Bledisloe Cup from Australia.
But despite being billed as pre-tournament favourites they lost their World Cup semi-final to Australia.
After the tournament, the New Zealand Rugby Union threw the job open, citing Mitchell's difficult relationship with the media and sponsors - rather than his record - as the main factors behind the decision.
Both candidates were interviewed for more than four hours earlier this week by a three-man panel comprising union chief executive Chris Moller, director Mike Eagle and vice president John Graham.