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The team you most hate in Euro 2000

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GShakan09

Youth Team
I would say i agree with indygo. i think players should play for the nation they're born in. assius's arguement is pretty absurd cuz you can see it. i mean, just because black people look different from white people, they shouldn't play for european countries? what about the other people that migrated? it's called migration man. by your argument we should all be playing for tanzania, where man originated. it just makes no sense whatsoever. europe doesn't necessary mean black. where did you get that thought from?

the thing i don't support, again, is players who were born in a country and then they get another country's passport and they play for that country. they're sellouts. like there's that guy lopez or something on the japanese team and he's brazilian. what? uche and okocha i think are eligible to play for the turkish team, but they choose to play for the nigerian team cuz it's more successful.

and battiston, getting back to you, french guiana IS a country man. not that it's so important. obviously, there's a lot of influence from france, but it's officially a country and it's got its own flag, etc.... oh, and i DO think there is a national team for french guiana cuz i remember looking at a draw or results for a concacaf tournament, i think they were qualifying for the world cup, and i saw guyana, surinam, and french guiana in it, and i thought, why don't they play against the south american teams since they're in s. america instead of playing in the north american section. it's not that big of a deal i guess, but i do believe i'm right dude.
 
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hmc4ever

Guest
Sure, I might be biased on this one, being Norwegian and all, but it'll have to be Yugoslavia. They sabotaged the 2nd half yesterday. I mean, c'mon, not only did they get injured with every minor touch from a Norwegian player, they also used well over half a minute for every throw-in or goal kick. Not to mention the substitutions. I read somewhere that the official effective playing time of the 2nd half was 25 minutes! What's up with that? And the ref didn't add more than 4minutes! Is it just me, or is that close to insane?
 
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Dazzle

Guest
Indyglo, NO!

What a mockery 'nationality' would be if everyone assumed the nationality of the country they were born in. Your parents nationality should have the major influence!

Example: Two English people have a kid and take a holiday in Outer Mongolia, where the woman gives birth to a baby boy, to be given the nationality of 'Mongolian'.

What a joke that would be!!!

What about people who travel around the world with their family because of work? They could have five kids all with different nationalities! Ridiculous!

If a family migrate, to Australia say, and give birth to further generations in that country, then maybe it would be reasonable to assume Australian nationality (if you wanted to of course). Otherwise it would be stupid.

As for that Mexican footballer with Brazilian parents, are you sure its not just that he can't get into the Brazil side and so decided "I'm a Mexican"?! If he was the best player in the world, perhaps he'd bring up his Brazilian background.

Also, about French-sounding African names. It's quite possible that these names were given to black slaves ages ago by the French (i.e. their real African names were dismissed). This is similar to the way blacks were forced to assume Christianity as their religion, as oppose to Islam.
 
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GShakan09

Youth Team
it was on the japanese team, not the mexican team, which makes it even more absurd, because the japanese have much less in common with the brazilians than mexicans do.
but that's beside the point cuz that situation is just stupid by itself.

i think by your rule then, there should be a rule on how many generations it takes to become a certain nationality. because you have to have a solid rule. you can't just say if someone moved to a country for immigration purposes, then their children can be of that country, but if it's for work or travel, they can't.

 
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KappA

Guest
Dazzle:

You're illiterate. Learn to read carefully BEFORE you criticize. He said that players should play for the country they are born in, if they decide to after 5 years of living in that country. [The only thing that should be able to change that rule is if the child moved to a new country during the first say, 5/10 years of their life.]

If their parents wish for them to assume that nationality, then he or she should.

Oh and this one is for you AND Gshakan09:

NOPE. His name was Zague. His dad was a famous Brazilian that spent many years playing for Club America in Mexico. This team is always criticized for bringing in too many foreign reinforcements, but now they are regulating their numbers. Anyway, his mother was Mexican, because he met her while living there, and they married. He grew up and COULD have attempted to play for Brazil, but why ? And he is as Mexican as the rest of the people on the squad. He also played for America for a while and then finished in Atlante, but he may possibly be still playing. He is 32 or 33 now. You are thinking of someone else.

KappA
 
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TeKNoS

Youth Team
ok Gshakan09, since you cannot read, I am going to show you where you got mixed up.

First, I said:

"Indygo, I totally agree with you. I am most proud of people like George Weah, whom even though he knows that his nation will not play in the World Cup during his career, he still plays for them. Another good example is a player called Zaguinho in Mexico, who was born to Brazilian parents, but chose to represent Mexico because he was born in that nation."

Then, Dazzle said:
"As for that Mexican footballer with Brazilian parents, are you sure its not just that he can't get into the Brazil side and so decided "I'm a Mexican"?! If he was the best player in the world, perhaps he'd bring up his Brazilian background."

Then, you made the mistake of saying:
"it was on the japanese team, not the mexican team, which makes it even more absurd, because the japanese have much less in common with the brazilians than mexicans do."

You were thinking about when you said:
"the thing i don't support, again, is players who were born in a country and then they get another country's passport and they play for that country. they're sellouts. like there's that guy lopez or something on the japanese team and he's brazilian. what? uche and okocha i think are eligible to play for the turkish team, but they choose to play for the nigerian team cuz it's more successful."

Dazzle wasn't talking about your post, you idiot, he was talking about mine. Please learn to read. I liked you until you lost intelligence all of a sudden.

KappA


 
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Indygo

Club Supporter
Dazzle, are you blind as well as dull?????


I said, unless a player moves out of the country within the first say X number of years of their life, they must assume that countries nationality.

In the case of some child being born with English parents in somewhere like Mongolia:

A
If that child lives in Mongolia for the first X number of years, he will become Mongolian. If the child returns to England or moves after that period, he is still Mongolian.

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If the child moves within the first X number of years of their life, fair enough, it isn't their fault or choice and should be able to take on a new nationality.

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As for travelling families, maybe some rule about HAVING to play for the country you have spent the MOST number of years of your life in should be put into place.

Finally, if you were born to English parents, but born in Wales and spend ur whole life in Wales, you ARE Welsh!!! Who gives a **** what Nationality ur parents are???? Are you ur parents??? No. U ARE WELSH!!!
(Or whatever Nationality, Wales is just used as an example, aherm Michael Owen aherm)
 
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Del Piero - Zidane

Guest
Yo Assius... YOU ARE A STUPID MORONIC RETARD ****HEAD GARBAGE PIECE OF **** RAT BASTARD... WHAT IF SOME OF THOSE BLACK PEOPLES PARENTS WERE BORN IN AFRICA AND MOVED TO FRANCE AND HAD A KID that grew up to be on the national team? Ur a stupid ****head that deserves to be banned from this forum for being too stupid... u said ur an Italian American living in America... So Am I.... Where were u born? If u were born in America would u rather play for the Italian or American national team and same way if u were born in Italy? We would have the right to play in either cuz our parents are Italian born so we could play for Italy and we were born in America (if u were) so we could play for America... Im glad Im not as stupid as u are... why u gotta judge players on the colors of their skins? LISTEN UP PEOPLE... IM AMERICAN BUT I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH HIM AND AGREE WITH YOU'S... I been trained in Italy for 3 years playing soccer and was raised watching Italian league, and all the european leagues and I must say... This guy ASSIUS is a disgrace to Americans like me!!
 
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Battiston

Guest
Shakan,
I have written to the fff (French Football federation) and asked if French Guyana has its own team and they replied that The French Guyanese team is the French national team. Guyanese teams play in the French Cup and it means that if one of them happen to win the French cup, they could play the European cup.
French guyana is not a nation like Brazil for example. It is not represented in the UN excepted by the French representant.
 
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assius

Guest
I will agree that if you are from a country that is entirely made up of immigrants such as America or Australia, then it is reasonable to have players of different nationalities and races. However France although it has had immigrants is not in the same situation. There are enough blood French to choose from rather than having to choose african and armenian players.

Btw, if it is ok for a national team to choose players who happen to have moved there when they were young, then I suppose it would be ok for a country like the U.S. to bring a bunch of Brasilian born kids over when they were young just so they U.S. team could use them later on. If every country follows the idiotic french, then eventually there will be no such thing as International Football! It will instead be basically the champions league with another name.
 
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Battiston

Guest
Shakan,
I have written to the fff (French Football federation) and asked if French Guyana has its own team and they replied that The French Guyanese team is the French national team. Guyanese teams play in the French Cup and it means that if one of them happen to win the French cup, they could play the European cup.
French guyana is not a nation like Brazil for example. It is not represented in the UN excepted by the French representant.
 
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