The USCB Killing Spree

[Mandieta6]

So, I've been vaguely aware of what happened over the past week but I just read what actually happened. From what I read, there's this 22 year old virgin who was bullied for all his life and had no friends or success with women and apparently this (together with possibly some pre-existing conditions) made him want to seek revenge so he stabbed 3 guys and shot a bunch of people, mostly intending to attack women.

So, that sucks. Could someone, perhaps someone who has been following this closely, explain how exactly this relates to the the twitter anti-misogyny movement that's been taking place? I mean, I get that the guy was a mysoginist, and that women suffer and had things gone differently, many more women would have died, but, I mean, men died, too. Sure, there should be some action taken to ensure guys don't treat rejection as an excuse or reasoning to attack women, but surely bullying, mental health concerns and gun control should be taking precedent here? It's not that I don't agree that women suffer from sexism and it's wrong. It just seems strange to me, opportunistic even, to take a misogynist and use him as an excuse to start this movement when more men died than women.

I've also been hearing about women bagging on PUA stuff because of it which I don't get because nothing in the article I read even mentioned it. Could someone brief me? Was he into PUA? 'Cause if he was he failed pretty hard at it.

 

[Back Door Skip]

I haven't been following it closely either, but at first they were reporting it more as the story being that he was the son of exec of the Hunger Games or something to that effect. The misogynistic angle came to light because of the video posted on YouTube, but it has more to do with his frustrations of being a 22 year old virgin and otherwise a social recluse than being a failed PUA but who knows at this point. If feminists decide to turn it into a gender issue they most definitely will.

 

[MaestroZidane]

I had no idea it had taken that turn, but I agree with Skip. Just like any other issue that is used to move an agenda when it has nothing to do with it.

 

[Bobby]

I haven't followed it closely, mostly because there was a shooting in South Carolina this weekend (three dead, two wounded in Myrtle Beach) too so that was of local interest to me.

From what I gathered he seemed to have a lot of psychological issues, he worried his parents so much that they contacted the Sheriff with their concerns, the Sheriff's Department ruled that he didn't meet the criteria for an involuntary hold. He also purchased his guns and ammo legally, despite California having some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. There are a lot of gaps in our mental health system that we paper over again and again because it either costs too much to do anything substantive or special interests get in the way.

I don't know what you could do about access to guns though. They're constitutionally protected and trying to bring in a federal law would face strong opposition. It'd require political courage that American politicians -- particularly Democrats, and I say this as a liberal -- don't have a great supply of. You'd have to start a movement within state and local governments to get anything done about it and, again, you'd face one hell of a battle. People here LOVE guns.

 

[Mus]

He has like a ~150 page manifesto if you're interested

Anyway he started of killing his roommates (guys) then went to a girls sorority and he didin't get let in so he killed random bystanders then killed himself...kind of failed at his task at getting revenge on everyone (including his little brother and step mother)

 

[Bobby]

http://imgur.com/a/cerEq/layout/blog

Oh man.

 

[Mandieta6]

Yeah, can't be bothered with a 150 page manifesto by some idiot. Aren't there cliffnotes? More interested in the reaction and PUA-bashing, honestly.

 

[Mandieta6]

http://imgur.com/a/cerEq/layout/blog

Oh man.

Is that legit or is that guy pulling her leg? Because the 'harrassing moderator' shit scares me. Think of all the people kp40 might have killed with his megabiceps.

 

[Bobby]

They got had, it was a ruse. They've since pulled the article down.

 

[Mandieta6]

Oh good, I can keep bagging on Xaviesta, then.

 

[Mus]

How long till it's blamed on video games?

 

[Alex]

How long till it's blamed on video games?

That won't be by the feminists. That will be by religious and other censorship groups

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I read that he attempted ONE half hearted "approach" in his entire life and called it a day when his awkward ass wasn't successful. He was not a PUA. He joined a site that does not believe in PUA or self improvement. He hated guys who got women, calling them classless and assholes, just as much as he resented women for not seeing how great of a person he was. He just was a member of a site with PUA in the title and said some bad things about women (as well as men, btw) so sites like Jezebel ram with it to push their agenda.

 

[Mandieta6]

Do you have a link for the article that mentions the PUA site?

 

[Mandieta6]

Nevermind, found one: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...ommunity_s_predictable_horrible_response.html

He wasn't even a member of a PUA site, but an anti-PUA site. Ugh.

 

[RobbieD_PL]

F*ck, these crazy shootings are too frequent. But, I'll express/ask Qs myself here.

Apparently the guy also had Aspbergers syndrome along the autism spectrum. I have no idea what the heck a PUA movement/anti-movement is; but to go about your vengefulness and resentment by shooting up people is not the way. He was so caught up in not laying a girl; he couldn't have just banged a hooker? Was he too above that? His dad was loaded cash-wise, how about instead of buying all that ammo and firepower how about driving over the state lines to Nevada?

Also, from what I understand the PUA thing to be (clarification appreciated), it's guys trying to help guys to get with women. Whether it's an industry/commodity, it seems like maybe the guy could have been looking for a romantic relationship as opposed to a seductive one; but I highly doubt that, especially if his jealousy at guys being with girls and girls being with any-other guy other than him was driven by narcissism.

It seems like on the one hand, the hashtag #ForAllWomen is directed at opposing the gender-oriented nature of the violence, even though it ultimately wasn't gender-exclusive. However, trying to cover it up as a mental illness also doesn't address the pathological mysogyny the guy had and the androgyny against his perceptions of successful males being with girls and his rejection of all girls/women because he was rejected by a small number of them (count them on one hand). One the one hand, I'm assuming the PUA thing itself isn't probably lauded by feminists; but on the other, the shooter's rationalization of being against PUA as a feeling of jealousy masked in denigrating guys who have girlfriends as classless assholes also saw him develop a strong hatred for women too, since (he probably decided/flipped out) that no girl wanted to be with him.

This is really uncomfortable and makes no sense.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Yeah it's very strange. Even when I was extremely shy and not getting laid, I understood that I would at least have to put myself out there to break out of the not-getting-laid shell. I didn't blame women for not coming up to me randomly, telling me how great I was, and asking me out on dates. It seems like this kid did, and that he found a community of like minded morons.

 

[Mandieta6]

His video is really annoying because he sounds like a wannabe Bond villain with the forced evil laugh and everything. The whole 'I will punish you all for not wanting to be with me' and 'punish those guys just because they get chicks' is so entitled and ridiculous. I can't believe he's being used as a reference point for men in general.

 

[RobbieD_PL]

Also, wtf was he doing @ the bodybuilding forums? That's the place where beta-jocks get had. The only encounter i've had with it was the glorious fecal fountain story posted in this very lounge that was so scoffed at over there.

 

[Hisashi]

Yeah so I know this is some serious stuff but I swear to god I have a classmate who looks very similar to him plus he's also like this guy. They're not exactly the same but he also gets bullied in school and he's not really very popular with the girls. I tried telling him some tips to avoid getting bullied but he never really listens. He carries this enormous bag like he's gonna go hiking and he has all his books, notebooks and school stuff there. Told him to get rid of 90% it and leave it at his locker but he never listens.