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US Presidential Debates 2004
- Thread starter Hakeem
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that was so gay. that made me wana punch bush in the face.
kerry said something like "the usa made a mistake by attacking iraq alone with britain and needed to have support by many more nations" and the smartass bush replied by saying "America! Did you hear that? The senator forgot Poland!"
Like Poland really matters...
kerry said something like "the usa made a mistake by attacking iraq alone with britain and needed to have support by many more nations" and the smartass bush replied by saying "America! Did you hear that? The senator forgot Poland!"
Like Poland really matters...
http://www.friendscenter.nl/vagegast/He Forget Poland.aviOriginally posted by rony31
what's the whole "he forgot Poland" thing about?
He kept on bringing religion up and started quoting the Bible... which is what you expect Bush to do. When he was asked about abortion, he talked about faith. I'm not sure it was good or bad. Here's a bit:
He quoted JFK a couple more times too.
Voltaic Borusse
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Ummm . . .
VOTE DUKAKIS!
VOTE DUKAKIS!
Hey, if a pro-abortion, bible-thumping, faith-based-initiative, big-spending President is what gets you 'libertarians' in the US going, it's your choice
And you are the one wanting the 'abolition of religion', meaning you have more in common with Stalin than I do
Just as well you are voting Bush this election, eh.
Stayed up till 4.30am to watch the debate
I didn't see the previous two debates but I thought that Kerry won this one. He was calm, always had an answer ready, faced right into the camera everytime he spoke whereas Bush only did that for a few seconds every so often, Bush was facing the moderator the entire time. He seemed a bit nervous trying to be funny at times when it just made him look utterly stupid with that dumb redneck fake laugh of his.
If I had muted the sound on my TV and didn't know what each of their policies were etc. I would certainly have voted for Kerry just at the posture he has, he seems like a strong president whereas Bush looks like a lost puppy at times, at times I thought Kerry was the actual president and Bush the challenger!
As for their responses, I like more what Kerry had to say, Bush diverted on a couple of issues including imigration whe he suddenly started talking about education.
What seemed to be the theme of the evening were numbers, how many times they voted for or against this, that and the other and how many dollars were spent or lost doing this etc.
Bush got caught out on a few of the issues when Kerry clearly had the upper hand, controlling the debate.
Obviously people who support Bush (which I seriously can't believe anyone is still doing - even if I was Republican I still wouldn't vote Bush!) will say Bush one, it always goes like that but some of the political analysts on CNN also thought Kerry perhaps just about won this one.
Either way, Bush has to go. Either someone shoots him or Kerry gets elected president, I don't care.
I didn't see the previous two debates but I thought that Kerry won this one. He was calm, always had an answer ready, faced right into the camera everytime he spoke whereas Bush only did that for a few seconds every so often, Bush was facing the moderator the entire time. He seemed a bit nervous trying to be funny at times when it just made him look utterly stupid with that dumb redneck fake laugh of his.
If I had muted the sound on my TV and didn't know what each of their policies were etc. I would certainly have voted for Kerry just at the posture he has, he seems like a strong president whereas Bush looks like a lost puppy at times, at times I thought Kerry was the actual president and Bush the challenger!
As for their responses, I like more what Kerry had to say, Bush diverted on a couple of issues including imigration whe he suddenly started talking about education.
What seemed to be the theme of the evening were numbers, how many times they voted for or against this, that and the other and how many dollars were spent or lost doing this etc.
Bush got caught out on a few of the issues when Kerry clearly had the upper hand, controlling the debate.
Obviously people who support Bush (which I seriously can't believe anyone is still doing - even if I was Republican I still wouldn't vote Bush!) will say Bush one, it always goes like that but some of the political analysts on CNN also thought Kerry perhaps just about won this one.
Either way, Bush has to go. Either someone shoots him or Kerry gets elected president, I don't care.
Originally posted by rhizome17
Hey, if a pro-abortion, bible-thumping, faith-based-initiative, big-spending President is what gets you 'libertarians' in the US going, it's your choice
And you are the one wanting the 'abolition of religion', meaning you have more in common with Stalin than I do
Just as well you are voting Bush this election, eh.
If you hadn't noticed, our government doesn't endorse a particular religion. That's right in line with my beliefs regarding government.
Anyway, who cares what you think regarding this election anyway. Aren't you the libertarian anarchist who believes the government should take care of you? That's the only thing I can take away from your political score, and the link you gave me afterwards. Makes tons of sense to me...
Originally posted by PhiLLer
Stayed up till 4.30am to watch the debate
I didn't see the previous two debates but I thought that Kerry won this one. He was calm, always had an answer ready, faced right into the camera everytime he spoke whereas Bush only did that for a few seconds every so often, Bush was facing the moderator the entire time. He seemed a bit nervous trying to be funny at times when it just made him look utterly stupid with that dumb redneck fake laugh of his.
If I had muted the sound on my TV and didn't know what each of their policies were etc. I would certainly have voted for Kerry just at the posture he has, he seems like a strong president whereas Bush looks like a lost puppy at times, at times I thought Kerry was the actual president and Bush the challenger!
As for their responses, I like more what Kerry had to say, Bush diverted on a couple of issues including imigration whe he suddenly started talking about education.
What seemed to be the theme of the evening were numbers, how many times they voted for or against this, that and the other and how many dollars were spent or lost doing this etc.
Bush got caught out on a few of the issues when Kerry clearly had the upper hand, controlling the debate.
Obviously people who support Bush (which I seriously can't believe anyone is still doing - even if I was Republican I still wouldn't vote Bush!) will say Bush one, it always goes like that but some of the political analysts on CNN also thought Kerry perhaps just about won this one.
Either way, Bush has to go. Either someone shoots him or Kerry gets elected president, I don't care.
TV is a crazy thing... I listened to the debate on the radio, and got a totally different impression than you did.
Kerry still loses come Nov 2nd.
V
Virgo
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man we're all so freakin sick of you Elder
I promise you'll never hear the end of it if Bush loses
I promise you'll never hear the end of it if Bush loses
Glad you asked!
For all the non-americans here, go to this link http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1326033,00.html then click on the 'Get the name of a US Voter' link. THose of you who care enough and have the time, write a letter to the person outlining your stance on this election, from a 'rest of the world' perspective. I know there are many of us out there in the 'rest of the world' that are frustrated by the fact that we can't have a say, when the US presidential race affects us like no other election, and it is doubled by the fact that so many Americans can't be bothered to have a say themselves. So those voters of Ohio who have no affiliation to either main party are available to be persuaded, and persuade we must. Just get onto it pronto.
Hey, you claim you are a libertarian, right? Which means you will be voting Badnarik in the election, right?
Because really, one would think you wouldn't waste your time defending Bush if you really WERE libertarian. I mean, at least they see Bush is actually a supporter of terrorists http://badnarik.org/supporters/blog...-ratz-bush-administration-supports-terrorism/
And furthermore, Badnarik is an honest libertarian. He states the war in Iraq should never have happened and that it is a failure, and I quote "A Libertarian president would not have sent the military trampling about the world, racking up a death count in the thousands, wasting tax money on destroying and re-building infrastructure, creating more enemies, and doing the kinds of things that led to 9/11 in the first place."
On Homeland Security: "From Bogota to Baghdad, from Manila to Medellin, the US military presence operates day and night, interfering in the internal affairs of other countries, intervening in arguments BETWEEN other countries, and generally making new enemies where none existed before rather than operating in defense of the United States. As president, the first contribution I can make to homeland security is the withdrawal of US troops from foreign soil and the adoption of the foreign policy advocated by Thomas Jefferson: "Honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.""
ANd finally, on Guantanemo Bay: "In the case of "enemy combatants" and other "detainees," the choice is quite simple: They may be held as prisoners of war, with all the protections afforded them by the Geneva Convention (a treaty ratified by the Senate pursuant to its Constitutional Authority), or they may be held as accused criminals with all the protections afforded them by the Constitution. There are no other lawful alternatives.
As your president, I will act swiftly to have all "detainees" properly classified.
Those charged with crimes will receive access to counsel, speedy public trial by jury, the right to confront their accusers, to examine the evidence against them and to produce evidence and witnesses in their own defense.
Those held as prisoners of war will, if a state of war obtains, be treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention until such time as the war ends and they can be repatriated to their countries of origin.
Those who do not answer to either description will be freed, indemnified and offered the sincere apologies due them.
It's time for America to start being America again."
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So given all of this, why the hell do you insist on defending someone like Bush, when on every count from a 'libertarian' perspective, he is SO OPPOSED. Hell, you throw around stupid comments like 'feminazis' whilst knowing next to nothing about feminism - what about THIS LOT http://www.alf.org/ - a site that is linked from Badnarik's?
You just spout your silly slogans without actually considering what they mean.
Brondbyfan
Senior Squad
I think Britain is praying for Bush to lose.
And preach it Badnarik. I may not agree with all of his principles but at least he has them, unlike the flip-flopper in chief.
And preach it Badnarik. I may not agree with all of his principles but at least he has them, unlike the flip-flopper in chief.
I had to write an article about the Libertarian and Badnarik last night. The assignment was to describe the issues of the nation and the solutions by the Libertarian and Badnarik. by All I remember is that I used the words liberty and personal responsibilities a lot.
It was annoying because I don't like repeating stuff, but a good chance to affirm on the idea that the Libertarians truly support their principles like Brondby said.
It was annoying because I don't like repeating stuff, but a good chance to affirm on the idea that the Libertarians truly support their principles like Brondby said.
xxxFLYERxxx
Starting XI
Originally posted by PhiLLer
Stayed up till 4.30am to watch the debate
I didn't see the previous two debates but I thought that Kerry won this one. He was calm, always had an answer ready, faced right into the camera everytime he spoke whereas Bush only did that for a few seconds every so often, Bush was facing the moderator the entire time. He seemed a bit nervous trying to be funny at times when it just made him look utterly stupid with that dumb redneck fake laugh of his.
If I had muted the sound on my TV and didn't know what each of their policies were etc. I would certainly have voted for Kerry just at the posture he has, he seems like a strong president whereas Bush looks like a lost puppy at times, at times I thought Kerry was the actual president and Bush the challenger!
As for their responses, I like more what Kerry had to say, Bush diverted on a couple of issues including imigration whe he suddenly started talking about education.
What seemed to be the theme of the evening were numbers, how many times they voted for or against this, that and the other and how many dollars were spent or lost doing this etc.
Bush got caught out on a few of the issues when Kerry clearly had the upper hand, controlling the debate.
Obviously people who support Bush (which I seriously can't believe anyone is still doing - even if I was Republican I still wouldn't vote Bush!) will say Bush one, it always goes like that but some of the political analysts on CNN also thought Kerry perhaps just about won this one.
Either way, Bush has to go. Either someone shoots him or Kerry gets elected president, I don't care.
Thats why I stop myself from analyzing debates and posting in this thread.....for the fear of making an ass out of myself like you just did. Seriously, if you dont know what youre talking about, dont say anything. My 6 year old brother could of came up with something better.
Im trying to learn about politics first, learn the facts, im taking a political science course. After i feel ive learned something then ill post my ideas. Everybody should do that. It annoys the hell out of me when people who have no idea what they're talking about start making political comments.
"Bush is an idiot, Vote Kerry!" "Kerry is a flip-flopper, Vote Bush!" shut the **** up!
Well, you got one right...
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Poll reveals world anger at Bush
Eight out of 10 countries favour Kerry for president
Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Friday October 15, 2004
George Bush has squandered a wealth of sympathy around the world towards America since September 11 with public opinion in 10 leading countries - including some of its closest allies - growing more hostile to the United States while he has been in office.
According to a survey, voters in eight out of the 10 countries, including Britain, want to see the Democrat challenger, John Kerry, defeat President Bush in next month's US presidential election.
The poll, conducted by 10 of the world's leading newspapers, including France's Le Monde, Japan's Asahi Shimbun, Canada's La Presse, the Sydney Morning Herald and the Guardian, also shows that on balance world opinion does not believe that the war in Iraq has made a positive contribution to the fight against terror.
The results show that in Australia, Britain, Canada, France, Japan, Spain and South Korea a majority of voters share a rejection of the Iraq invasion, contempt for the Bush administration, a growing hostility to the US and a not-too-strong endorsement of Mr Kerry. But they all make a clear distinction between this kind of anti-Americanism and expressing a dislike of American people. On average 68% of those polled say they have a favourable opinion of Americans.
The 10-country poll suggests that rarely has an American administration faced such isolation and lack of public support amongst its closest allies.
The only exceptions to this trend are the Israelis - who back Bush 2-1 over Kerry and see the US as their security umbrella - and the Russians who, despite their traditional anti-Americanism, recorded unexpectedly favourable attitudes towards the US in the survey conducted in the immediate aftermath of the Beslan tragedy.
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read the rest here.
and more here.
"A recent Pew Research Centre poll, for example, showed just 7% of Pakistanis approve of Mr Bush, while 65% have a favourable opinion of Osama bin Laden."
Elder, your time starts.... NOW!