Volta vs Fifa Street 4 (2012, PS3/X360).....it turns out much better than expected..........

[dazzer169]

I was a big fan of FIFA STREET 4 (PS3/X360, the 2012 version), and recently the RPCS3 PS3 emulator allowed us to use our PS3 disk of FIFA STREET 4 to be able to emulate the game on PC................in shiny stunning 4K...

So recently, ahead of FIFA 20's demo, I had been playing FIFA STREET 4 a lot in its surprisingly beautiful 4K mode via the RPCS3 emulator to get in the mood for the upcoming Volta, and I started noting down the skill moves that the CPU AI were capable of pulling off, as I wanted to compare them to the CPU AI attempts at skill moves in FIFA 20's Volta.

Typically.............during the FIFA 20 Beta stage, all the YouTube uploaded videos, and the usual streamers, posted videos of them "having to beat the Amateur AI" so as not to spoil their "reputations"..........this meant to view the CPU AI in action, we were only able to witness some fuddy duddy Amateur AI in action in Volta, and it made Volta look very lame indeed against the CPU AI...

So, along comes the demo, and now the trial, of FIFA 20...................and I have been noting down the very same kind of things, i.e. the CPU AI skill moves that we witness when playing against it (ok, hands up, I am a big CPU vs CPU kinda guy, I love to look at AI innovations as the years go by...), and boy, are we in for a treat.

Those who thought FIFA Street was not being presented with an "update" within FIFA 20 can be mistaken, because although a few of the top top skills from FIFA Street havent been witnessed by me in the CPU AI in Volta as yet, I can honestly say my A4 piece of paper with my handwritten "Waka Waka, Taekondo Pass, One Foot Roulette, Rainbow Back Heel Pass, Neymar Special Rainbow Flick, Ball Hop Pass, and Tornado Pass" etc etc has filled up so quickly with all the skills I have witnessed, and I can state right now that the level of skills and the organic movement of the players, as well as the organic ball physics in Volta, has taken me by massively pleasant surprise, after labouring through witnessing the Amateur AI as "presented by the FIFA 20 Beta test 'experts' " on Youtube in recent months.

FIFA 20 Volta................is damn good. It may be dismissed by many and I can understand why, but please give it a go and you will start to see what I mean...

I seriously advise, as a one-off, and even though most want to keep playing, setting it in Volta mode as CPU vs CPU in Legendary AI level to watch Brazil vs Brazil in any of the Volta 3v3, 4v4, Futsal etc modes.....its awesome, organic, and has real depth in terms of the AI logic. Make sure Neymar and Cointra are in the CPU AI team, the game picks random players so just go out and in a few times until those 2 are in the Brazil team.

I might even try out the main FIFA 20 game soon...................

 

[Balack]

I was a big fan of FIFA STREET 4 (PS3/X360, the 2012 version), and recently the RPCS3 PS3 emulator allowed us to use our PS3 disk of FIFA STREET 4 to be able to emulate the game on PC................in shiny stunning 4K...

So recently, ahead of FIFA 20's demo, I had been playing FIFA STREET 4 a lot in its surprisingly beautiful 4K mode via the RPCS3 emulator to get in the mood for the upcoming Volta, and I started noting down the skill moves that the CPU AI were capable of pulling off, as I wanted to compare them to the CPU AI attempts at skill moves in FIFA 20's Volta.

Typically.............during the FIFA 20 Beta stage, all the YouTube uploaded videos, and the usual streamers, posted videos of them "having to beat the Amateur AI" so as not to spoil their "reputations"..........this meant to view the CPU AI in action, we were only able to witness some fuddy duddy Amateur AI in action in Volta, and it made Volta look very lame indeed against the CPU AI...

So, along comes the demo, and now the trial, of FIFA 20...................and I have been noting down the very same kind of things, i.e. the CPU AI skill moves that we witness when playing against it (ok, hands up, I am a big CPU vs CPU kinda guy, I love to look at AI innovations as the years go by...), and boy, are we in for a treat.

Those who thought FIFA Street was not being presented with an "update" within FIFA 20 can be mistaken, because although a few of the top top skills from FIFA Street havent been witnessed by me in the CPU AI in Volta as yet, I can honestly say my A4 piece of paper with my handwritten "Waka Waka, Taekondo Pass, One Foot Roulette, Rainbow Back Heel Pass, Neymar Special Rainbow Flick, Ball Hop Pass, and Tornado Pass" etc etc has filled up so quickly with all the skills I have witnessed, and I can state right now that the level of skills and the organic movement of the players, as well as the organic ball physics in Volta, has taken me by massively pleasant surprise, after labouring through witnessing the Amateur AI as "presented by the FIFA 20 Beta test 'experts' " on Youtube in recent months.

FIFA 20 Volta................is damn good. It may be dismissed by many and I can understand why, but please give it a go and you will start to see what I mean...

I seriously advise, as a one-off, and even though most want to keep playing, setting it in Volta mode as CPU vs CPU in Legendary AI level to watch Brazil vs Brazil in any of the Volta 3v3, 4v4, Futsal etc modes.....its awesome, organic, and has real depth in terms of the AI logic. Make sure Neymar and Cointra are in the CPU AI team, the game picks random players so just go out and in a few times until those 2 are in the Brazil team.

I might even try out the main FIFA 20 game soon...................

Can you make street stadiums patches on fifa 19 ps3

 

[MonkeyDragon]

Volta is NOT DAMN AS GOOD AS FS4 on console, lack of skills, no deep ball control. Disappointed !

 

[dazzer169]

Volta is NOT DAMN AS GOOD AS FS4 on console, lack of skills, no deep ball control. Disappointed !

It is a weird one MonkeyDragon, as I have played both games a lot and I kind of agree with you, but at the same time disagree.

Volta has many more skills in total that I can see the CPU perform, I am compiling a spreadsheet with the results, there are currently around 125 skill moves that FIFA 20 has within it, and I have been ticking off (whilst only in Volta mode) every time i see a CPU skill move come off or an attempt at one, and the organic nature of the ball physics and skill move process means that sometimes they move a foot to attempt one but miss the ball completely, which I like to see happening as it adds massively to the believability of it. Believability in my spell checker not being a real word it appears.........

If Fidel or someone could inject an adjustable camera into Volta for the replays it would really help here as a big part of my tests is capturing 4k videos of the skill moves and comparing them to each other (comparing a particular CPU skill move attempt to other attempts of the same named skill moves, many of them showing they play out differently each time which is what we want to see)....and sadly my Cheat Engine camera adjustments (the Broadcast Camera height/zoom adjuster) do nothing within Volta as there are no custom setting sliders, it has just a fixed angle gameplay camera and a fixed angle replay camera........arrghhhh!!!!

Anyways, I don't play the game, I just sit and watch CPU vs CPU but I can assure everyone that there are many more skill moves in this if you give it time and witness them (setting CPU/CPU as PSG vs LA Galaxy does wonders here as Neymar and Zlatan wreck havoc and skill move all over the place, with their obvious flair/5 star skill move status's), especially regarding "flair" passes lots of which incorporate "Rainbow" or "Ball Hop" into them, which FIFA STREET 4 (2012), which I loved for many years, didn't have in it in terms of "Rainbow Pass Backwards" or "Rainbow Pass Forwards". And as great as the ball physics seemed in FIFA STREET 4, close examination of Volta is proof that greater mathematics are in play regarding how this has been coded organically...this Volta has some seriously technically well done new skill moves in it, a particular favourite being the "Fancy Lob 90 (Dragback Pass Lob)" where its a kind of lofted up high Hocus Pocus/Rabonna ball with sidespin pass..............and each video capture of it has different organic ball path in the process between the footwork, and the angle and ballspin of the lobbed pass to a teammate. Jumpers for Goalposts? Marvellous!

Above, when I said I kind of agree with MonkeyDragon, I mean that the individual skill moves that dont involve the ball being pinged to a team mate seem less in Volta than Street, but Volta has so many more unique and organic skills/tricks going on with the CPU AI, where they are also having to deal with the clearly more advanced ball physics affecting the moves they are attempting (see the missing the ball completely example above).

I will upload my detailed spreadsheet on here sometime soon.

If anyone wants to know how to get the original FIFA STREET 4, 2012 PS3 version, as mentioned by MonkeyDragon, working in a PC PS3 emulator at 2160/4K smooth resolution, please priv message me on here.

Its late at night here so apologies if my whole post or parts of it above make no sense, let me know if so and I will re-word it tomorrow!

Love to all my fellow FIFA/PES gamers!

 

[MonkeyDragon]

It is a weird one MonkeyDragon, as I have played both games a lot and I kind of agree with you, but at the same time disagree.

Volta has many more skills in total that I can see the CPU perform, I am compiling a spreadsheet with the results, there are currently around 125 skill moves that FIFA 20 has within it, and I have been ticking off (whilst only in Volta mode) every time i see a CPU skill move come off or an attempt at one, and the organic nature of the ball physics and skill move process means that sometimes they move a foot to attempt one but miss the ball completely, which I like to see happening as it adds massively to the believability of it. Believability in my spell checker not being a real word it appears.........

If Fidel or someone could inject an adjustable camera into Volta for the replays it would really help here as a big part of my tests is capturing 4k videos of the skill moves and comparing them to each other (comparing a particular CPU skill move attempt to other attempts of the same named skill moves, many of them showing they play out differently each time which is what we want to see)....and sadly my Cheat Engine camera adjustments (the Broadcast Camera height/zoom adjuster) do nothing within Volta as there are no custom setting sliders, it has just a fixed angle gameplay camera and a fixed angle replay camera........arrghhhh!!!!

Anyways, I don't play the game, I just sit and watch CPU vs CPU but I can assure everyone that there are many more skill moves in this if you give it time and witness them (setting CPU/CPU as PSG vs LA Galaxy does wonders here as Neymar and Zlatan wreck havoc and skill move all over the place, with their obvious flair/5 star skill move status's), especially regarding "flair" passes lots of which incorporate "Rainbow" or "Ball Hop" into them, which FIFA STREET 4 (2012), which I loved for many years, didn't have in it in terms of "Rainbow Pass Backwards" or "Rainbow Pass Forwards". And as great as the ball physics seemed in FIFA STREET 4, close examination of Volta is proof that greater mathematics are in play regarding how this has been coded organically...this Volta has some seriously technically well done new skill moves in it, a particular favourite being the "Fancy Lob 90 (Dragback Pass Lob)" where its a kind of lofted up high Hocus Pocus/Rabonna ball with sidespin pass..............and each video capture of it has different organic ball path in the process between the footwork, and the angle and ballspin of the lobbed pass to a teammate. Jumpers for Goalposts? Marvellous!

Above, when I said I kind of agree with MonkeyDragon, I mean that the individual skill moves that dont involve the ball being pinged to a team mate seem less in Volta than Street, but Volta has so many more unique and organic skills/tricks going on with the CPU AI, where they are also having to deal with the clearly more advanced ball physics affecting the moves they are attempting (see the missing the ball completely example above).

I will upload my detailed spreadsheet on here sometime soon.

If anyone wants to know how to get the original FIFA STREET 4, 2012 PS3 version, as mentioned by MonkeyDragon, working in a PC PS3 emulator at 2160/4K smooth resolution, please priv message me on here.

Its late at night here so apologies if my whole post or parts of it above make no sense, let me know if so and I will re-word it tomorrow!

Love to all my fellow FIFA/PES gamers!

1. Well, 125 skills = 110 normal + "some combined, quick flick" skill, especially lack of "street control"

2. I am so dissappointed that I am currently enjoying FS4 on Xbox360.

3. I tried rPCS3 on PC but got issue with audio, the game smooth just 10 minutes then freezed.

 

[dazzer169]

1. Well, 125 skills = 110 normal + "some combined, quick flick" skill, especially lack of "street control"

2. I am so dissappointed that I am currently enjoying FS4 on Xbox360.

3. I tried rPCS3 on PC but got issue with audio, the game smooth just 10 minutes then freezed.

Here is my feedback so far, the Volta like unique skills at the bottom (I think now around 30 of them are Volta unique)...(I wanted to upload the spreadsheet but this site is not allowing it...):-

(where it says "Yes" after the skill move, it means the CPU AI has performed it, and mostly these have been witnessed in Volta)

1 STAR MOVES

Ball Juggle (standing) Yes
Knee Juggling Yes
Open Up Fake Shot Yes
Running Flick Up
Setup Touch
Strafe Dribbling Yes

2 STAR MOVES

Body Feint Right / Left Yes
Stepover Right / Left Yes
Reverse Stepover Left / Right
Ball Roll Left / Right Yes
Drag Back (standing) Yes
Cruyff Turn Yes
Flick Back (while ball is in the air) Yes

3 STAR MOVES

Heel Flick Yes
Roulette Right / Left Yes
Fake Left Go Right /Fake Right Go Left Yes
Ronaldo Chop Yes
Lateral Heel to Heel Yes
Feint and Exit Yes

4 STAR MOVES

Ball Hop (standing) Yes
Heel to Heel Flick Yes
Simple Rainbow
Advanced Rainbow
Neymar Rainbow Flick Yes !
Feint Left Exit Right / Feint Right Exit Left Yes
Spin Left / Right Yes
Stop and Turn Left / Right (Berbatov Spin)
Ball Roll Cut Right / Left (standing) Yes
Double Touch Spin Left / Right (standing)
Scoop Turn (standing) Yes
Fake Pass (standing)
Ball Roll Chop Right / Left
Neymar Ball Roll (standing)
V Drag Move (standing) Yes
La Croqueta Yes
Three Touch Roulette Yes
New Flick Up
Flair Roulette (One Foot Roulette/Spin) Yes
Drag to Drag
Heel Chop Turn

5 STAR MOVES

Elastico Yes
Reverse Elastico Yes
Quick Ball Rolls (standing)
Heel Flick Turn
Hocus Pocus Yes
Triple Elastico
Ball Roll Flick Left / Right
Sombrero Flick (Standing) Yes
Turn and Spin Left / Right (McGeady Spin) Yes
Ball Roll Fake Left / Right (standing)
Double Touch Exit Right / Left (standing)
Fake Rabona
Elastico Chop Left / Right
Alternative Elastico Chop
Okocha Sombrero Flick
Laces Flick Up
Flick Up Advanced
Sombrero Flick Left / Right
Around The World
In Air Elastico yes
Reverse In Air Elastico
Flick Up For Volley Yes
Chest Flick Yes
Reverse Toe Bounce Right / Left
Double Around the World
T. Around the World Hold LS down RS clockwise
Hop the World
Juggling Rainbow
Waka Waka Left / Right (standing) Yes
Double Touch Exit Left / Right (standing)
Reverse Stepover Right / Left (standing)
Bolasie Flick Left / Right
Fancy Drag Back Yes
Drag Back Fake Left / Right (standing) Yes
Tornado Left / Right
Ball Roll Sombrero Flick Left / Right
Drag Back Sombrero Flick

FLAIR MOVES

Foot Feints
Fake Shot Yes
Fancy Shot
First Touch Spin Left / Right Yes
First Touch Fake
Standing Sombrero Flick (when receiving a ground pass) Yes
Sombrero Flick (when receiving a high pass) Yes
Fancy Ground Passes Yes
Fancy Aerial Passes Yes

OTHER MOVES, PLENTY OF THEM, I HAVE WITNESSED THAT HAVE SKILL NAMES ON OTHER YOUTUBE VIDEOS

Rabona pass Yes
Iniesta Double Touch Yes
Backward Ball Roll Pass Yes
Forward Ball Roll Pass Yes
Henry Pass Yes
No Look Pass Yes
Taunt (Clapping/Arms stretched/Arms folded/Arms low held out/Waving) Yes all of these
Variable Heel Pass Yes
Variable Heel Pass where Pass is lobbed high Yes
Hocus Pocus Pass where Pass is lobbed high Yes
Taekwondo Pass (medium or high up foot) Yes
Ball Hop, foot flicks up, other foot lobs upwards Yes
Back Heel Pass High Yes
Ball Hop Pass (body stays straight) Yes
Rainbow Pass Forward (ball hop pass but body twists in air) Yes
Chop Pass Yes
Rainbow Pass Backward Yes
Knee Pass Yes
Outside Foot Volley Pass Yes
Fancy Lob 90 Outside Foot (Lob Pass) Yes
Fancy Lob 90 (Dragback Pass Lob) Yes
Back Heel Yes
New Back Heel Yes
Ball Hop Dummy Yes
Chip Up Pass Yes
Flick Up to Setup Shot Yes
Back Pass (i.e. off the players back….Ronaldinho flick…) Yes
Waka Waka Shot Yes
Flick Up where foot is around the back of standing foot Yes
Spin/McGeady Combo - dragback, followed by outside of other foot Yes
Spin/McGeady Combo - dragback, followed by back heel of other foot Yes
Fancy Volley Medium Yes
Fancy Volley High Yes
Draw and Close Yes
Hocus Pocus Pass Yes
2 Players Keepy Up Yes