J_J_Okocha
Youth Team
I am a long time FIFA fan. In a couple of minutes I will go pick up my first copy of Winning Eleven. I will give a review of what I think of the game in a couple of days.
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We8
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Mel Brennan
Youth Team
Re: We8
As you have offered, lately, some reasonable analysis and approach to the discussion, I look forward to your analysis, both of the native gameplay, and of the editable experience...
As you have offered, lately, some reasonable analysis and approach to the discussion, I look forward to your analysis, both of the native gameplay, and of the editable experience...
deftonesmx17
Reserve Team
Its a good game, so its up to you which is better. It all boils down to user choice. Enjoy, I just got it the other day, to add to my collection of Soccer games. I have way to many. I still have my copy of FIFA 97 for SNES. 
J_J_Okocha
Youth Team
WE8 truly is a good game. I have been so busy playing this game i have not had time to type up a review but I should type one in a few days.
For me, unfortunatley there still isnt a good enough PC soccer game. I wouldnt call either PES or Fifa good as they both suffer from major flaws. Yes both.
PES well documented flawed passing system, you will see has directional problems. When there is as choice of players within reasonable distance or you try quick passing it will not always go in the direction you have selected. The thru ball is a waste of time the majority of times and you again dont always have control over where the ball is going. I know some people are gonna say they have no problems with it, but they have just learned to accept it. I dont want to. The motion of the players is another unsatisfying thing and after every action is a dead stop. Try a 1-2 and the player who 1st played the ball comes to a dead stop unless I have pressed the right button combination. But the motion of running is not like this in real life wether I sprint or jog and that is because of something called inertia. It is impossible to have a motion that comes to an instant dead stop, there must be acceleration, deceleration. Fifa has this but I am not going to promote Fifa over PES, but I have seen some people say 'PES is better in every way'. As deftonesmx17 has said, make your choice but dont go bleating on about your choice being complete, perfect etc whilst pointing out the flaws of the other game. Those are just some of the complaints about PES and there are others, and there are about FIFA too, but I dont understand why the PES people feel a need to convert the world. I dont care who makes the game that comes closest to football, i just want it and I want it yesterday. But the guys who go 'FIFA will never....., I will download it just so when I argue its crap I can say I played it, I will never play it again.....blah blah blah'. Arent you just fan boys?
PES well documented flawed passing system, you will see has directional problems. When there is as choice of players within reasonable distance or you try quick passing it will not always go in the direction you have selected. The thru ball is a waste of time the majority of times and you again dont always have control over where the ball is going. I know some people are gonna say they have no problems with it, but they have just learned to accept it. I dont want to. The motion of the players is another unsatisfying thing and after every action is a dead stop. Try a 1-2 and the player who 1st played the ball comes to a dead stop unless I have pressed the right button combination. But the motion of running is not like this in real life wether I sprint or jog and that is because of something called inertia. It is impossible to have a motion that comes to an instant dead stop, there must be acceleration, deceleration. Fifa has this but I am not going to promote Fifa over PES, but I have seen some people say 'PES is better in every way'. As deftonesmx17 has said, make your choice but dont go bleating on about your choice being complete, perfect etc whilst pointing out the flaws of the other game. Those are just some of the complaints about PES and there are others, and there are about FIFA too, but I dont understand why the PES people feel a need to convert the world. I dont care who makes the game that comes closest to football, i just want it and I want it yesterday. But the guys who go 'FIFA will never....., I will download it just so when I argue its crap I can say I played it, I will never play it again.....blah blah blah'. Arent you just fan boys?
Too, Right..
The thing is, that i really do respect Konami, for the amount of work and commitment put into PES, which anybody must admit, is a very good game. But when you look at the full situation, you do feel as if Konami didn,t have much choice but to concentrate on trying to perfect the gameplay & ball physics of the real game.
Lets face it, PES was unable to obtain any licenses or player names, which put them at a disadvantage to Fifa, just to start with. Let alone having to compete with Fifa,s graphical detail.
So Konami had little choice but to try to, put out a Football sim, which had a Better and more realistic feel to the gameplay.
TBH, if they hadn,t ..... Who the Hell would want to buy it ? ...
EA on the other hand, have mainly gone for the graphical content, as with the majority of their sports games.
But to be fair ... Up untill the last few years, they have always managed to put out pretty entertaining (if not very realistic) Football simulation.
EA,s problem seemed to be, that they have spent too long dwelling on the fact of having full licensing and higher end of year sales, too long.
Resulting in them, sort of neglecting the game for a while, and not paying enough attention to what it,s main rival was doing to their game.
Fifa 05 is one of the Best football games, EA have released in a while. It,s far from being perfect, but i feel it,s mainly the simple things, that let it down the most. Although the gameplay is noticeably smoother... It still gets a little sluggish at times... Players tend to pause / freeze too much... The game still suffers from button lag ... And the AI still gets a bit confused, at times.
But i will give them credit... They are definately on the right route, especially now they have finaly introduced some degree of ball physics to the game.
Add to this, the Improvements (I mean flaws they have corrected
) in the UCL game. So as long as they shove those black bars where the sun doesn,t shine. Fifa06 has the potential of having some amazing gameplay.
But theres also plenty of work to be done in other areas of the game ,too..
Originally posted by ganxxxter
don't u think that ea will improve the story mode of UEFA CL 2005 in fifa 06, maybe they'll add special quests to the text-based game(e.g. the corners), it'd be amazing, if u could have special quests and NPCs like e.g. in Deux Ex
ganxxxter .... I wouldn,t expect you to Understand ...
You,re better off, just sticking to your fancy Flicks & Tricks, mate...
The Real game is way beyond you, i,m affraid.
Mel Brennan
Youth Team
lol, enjoy and look for those long sessions to continue...
soccerulez
Youth Team
Originally posted by Shaft085
Too, Right..
But to be fair ... Up untill the last few years, they have always managed to put out pretty entertaining (if not very realistic) Football simulation.
EA,s problem seemed to be, that they have spent too long dwelling on the fact of having full licensing and higher end of year sales, too long.
Resulting in them, sort of neglecting the game for a while, and not paying enough attention to what it,s main rival was doing to their game.
Although the gameplay is noticeably smoother... It still gets a little sluggish at times... Players tend to pause / freeze too much... The game still suffers from button lag ... And the AI still gets a bit confused, at times.
But i will give them credit... They are definately on the right route, especially now they have finaly introduced some degree of ball physics to the game.
Add to this, the Improvements (I mean flaws they have corrected
So as long as they shove those black bars where the sun doesn,t shine. Fifa06 has the potential of having some amazing gameplay.
But theres also plenty of work to be done in other areas of the game ,too..
I sort of agree despite being a PES fan.
Fifa 05 has improved alot............... from fifa 04 specially the ball physix
But Pes4/We8 has improved a tit. since We7/Pes3.
soccerulez
Youth Team
^^^^
So I might buy Fifa again afterall if they tweak their gameplay and value their game!
But Fifa 07 is the last chance. I want to see a degree of improvement in it.
So I might buy Fifa again afterall if they tweak their gameplay and value their game!
But Fifa 07 is the last chance. I want to see a degree of improvement in it.
Originally posted by italianstallion
take your time and enjoy the game the way it was meant to be played
Heres 1 good reason why i,m glad i prefer Fifa to PES ...
I know theres no chance of turning into a "Sad B*****d!" ...
Seriously! You guys should take a good look at yourselves.
Endlessly Gloating on a forum, about a game, whats gameplay isn,t even that much Better than Fifa,s...
If you Actualy took the time to learn how to play Fifa & UCL properly, then you would honestly see how foolish you are...
This is coming from someone who has played PES4 for hours on Xbox, and the PC Demo, for 3 months.
Apart from the Shooting system, Set-Pieces and "Slightly" smoother gameplay ...
Theres honestly Nothing that you can do on PES, that you can,t on Fifa. (Turns , Flicks , Dummies, Individual player skills) you name it..
But you P***ks wouldn,t be able to see that, as you heads are too far up your own A***s ...
You,re also too Stupid to even realise that Fifa does actualy have the more realistic gameplay & player movement ( Regardless of the odd bit of skating or 200mph pass)
To prove my point, play a couple of games of Fifa...
Then watch a pre recorded ( or live ) Football match, after...
The sad part is the fact that, not many of you are mature enough to give an honest review of Either game ...
soccerulez
Youth Team
Originally posted by Shaft085
Heres 1 good reason why i,m glad i prefer Fifa to PES ...
I know theres no chance of turning into a "Sad B*****d!" ...
Seriously! You guys should take a good look at yourselves.
Endlessly Gloating on a forum, about a game, whats gameplay isn,t even that much Better than Fifa,s...
If you Actualy took the time to learn how to play Fifa & UCL properly, then you would honestly see how foolish you are...
This is coming from someone who has played PES4 for hours on Xbox, and the PC Demo, for 3 months.
Apart from the Shooting system, Set-Pieces and "Slightly" smoother gameplay ...
Theres honestly Nothing that you can do on PES, that you can,t on Fifa. (Turns , Flicks , Dummies, Individual player skills) you name it..
But you P***ks wouldn,t be able to see that, as you heads are too far up your own A***s ...
You,re also too Stupid to even realise that Fifa does actualy have the more realistic gameplay & player movement ( Regardless of the odd bit of skating or 200mph pass)
To prove my point, play a couple of games of Fifa...
Then watch a pre recorded ( or live ) Football match, after...
The sad part is the fact that, not many of you are mature enough to give an honest review of Either game ...
The thing that i hate about fifa is the movement of the player feels akward especially the swaying and tussceling part. Pes has the feeling of touch like in real life. You feel in pes to shoot or else it goes over the bar.Whereas in fifa, from a certain sweet spot you let the shot rip until red on the bar and voila top corner. It doesnt feel right.
Originally posted by Shaft085
Heres 1 good reason why i,m glad i prefer Fifa to PES ...
I know theres no chance of turning into a "Sad B*****d!" ...
Seriously! You guys should take a good look at yourselves.
Endlessly Gloating on a forum, about a game, whats gameplay isn,t even that much Better than Fifa,s...
If you Actualy took the time to learn how to play Fifa & UCL properly, then you would honestly see how foolish you are...
This is coming from someone who has played PES4 for hours on Xbox, and the PC Demo, for 3 months.
Apart from the Shooting system, Set-Pieces and "Slightly" smoother gameplay ...
Theres honestly Nothing that you can do on PES, that you can,t on Fifa. (Turns , Flicks , Dummies, Individual player skills) you name it..
But you P***ks wouldn,t be able to see that, as you heads are too far up your own A***s ...
You,re also too Stupid to even realise that Fifa does actualy have the more realistic gameplay & player movement ( Regardless of the odd bit of skating or 200mph pass)
To prove my point, play a couple of games of Fifa...
Then watch a pre recorded ( or live ) Football match, after...
The sad part is the fact that, not many of you are mature enough to give an honest review of Either game ...
i told him to enjoy the game what the hell was i gloating aboot?
deftonesmx17
Reserve Team
Originally posted by Shaft085
Heres 1 good reason why i,m glad i prefer Fifa to PES ...
I know theres no chance of turning into a "Sad B*****d!" ...
Seriously! You guys should take a good look at yourselves.
Endlessly Gloating on a forum, about a game, whats gameplay isn,t even that much Better than Fifa,s...
If you Actualy took the time to learn how to play Fifa & UCL properly, then you would honestly see how foolish you are...
This is coming from someone who has played PES4 for hours on Xbox, and the PC Demo, for 3 months.
Apart from the Shooting system, Set-Pieces and "Slightly" smoother gameplay ...
Theres honestly Nothing that you can do on PES, that you can,t on Fifa. (Turns , Flicks , Dummies, Individual player skills) you name it..
But you P***ks wouldn,t be able to see that, as you heads are too far up your own A***s ...
You,re also too Stupid to even realise that Fifa does actualy have the more realistic gameplay & player movement ( Regardless of the odd bit of skating or 200mph pass)
To prove my point, play a couple of games of Fifa...
Then watch a pre recorded ( or live ) Football match, after...
The sad part is the fact that, not many of you are mature enough to give an honest review of Either game ...
WOW. So friggin true. I own both games. Buy both evey year and well. There is nothing in PES you can do that can't be done in FIFA. PES fans just don't know how to play FIFA. They are the ignorant kind of person that thinks just because the controls are more complex that it is the more realistic game and the other with easier controls is the "arcade" game. Why is it arcade? Because the controls are easier to grasp at first. There is another thread where a guy liked FIFA more than PES because he could play it with his 10 year old son. PES fans flamed him for that indirectly. You guys need to stop acting superior. I'm sorry, wouldnt the better game be the one that more people could enjoy, not just for people with super hand-eye cordination like you need for PES.
Mel Brennan
Youth Team
J.J. :
Any chance you could post a review? Interested in your take on the sim. Have you played both with and without the patching?
Any chance you could post a review? Interested in your take on the sim. Have you played both with and without the patching?
you continue like that and you`ll be banned.. just like your friend mouta FCP