Well, This is ENOUGH !

[TristanAbbott7]

I agree that comments like "FIFA 2004 sucks" are a waste of time. I don't like the game much from the demo despite playing about 30 games but I do think it's EA's best effort yet. To me there are a lot of unaddressed issues with the game but there are also a lot of plus points too. I don't like the shooting model and the physics of the ball but the graphics are outstanding and the depth of the game will be a great attraction for many people.

I do prefer the PES/WE series but to say FIFA 2004 is utter crap isn't accurate. It's a shame it takes somebody else on this forum a couple of days to improve on the gameplay aspect and no doubt the editors will be out in force throughout the next 12 months. If there's one thing I've learnt over the years from soccer games it's that you'll never please everybody with any product so you just have to have a preference and wait until the next batch of titles come out before you start all over again.

FIFA 2004 is a long way behind PES3 in terms of gameplay but obviously way, way ahead in terms of licensing, authentic uniforms and leagues etc. and I respect that to many people that's important to them. I for one, won't be coming on this forum bashing FIFA 2004 anymore because I feel it's disrespectful to you guys who love the game. I'll save the bashing for the forums where it's appropriate.

 

[luka911]

.For the good of the company they must never be perfect.For example if FIFA 98 was perfect,why should you buy FIFA 99.Better graphics and updated rosters are no big reasons.Patch makers would have made the latter.As for graphics you would wait for FIFA 2003.But then EA would have less income.That's why FIFA series is not perfect.Also don't forget that simulating real life situations is not an easy task.Hopefully every year FIFA is getting better.I never said it's perfect.


hmmm....pes are just about perfect. they seem to be doing great. they have sold a million copies or more with pes3.

they add a few new things every year and people keep coming back to get there hands on pes. fifa keeps coming with better graphics.....more teams.......more songs.......grrrrr.....that anoys me so much. when will they come with better player animations or gameplay as good as pes?

pes might not have graphics as good as fifa but there animations and game play beat fifa out in everyway. i had more fun playing iss3 for ps2 then playing all the fifa's inluding fifa 2004 demo. iss3 is considerd to be more of an arcade soccer game and it beat fifa in my mind. unscripted gameplay is the best. i think they should give up and just steal pes gameplay......lol would save them allot of time that goes no where.

 

[PhiLLer]

It's surprising how many people are still blinded by EA's marketing tactics. "Oh, we got licenses and good commentary". All very true of course, yet what they don't tell you is that year after year they put below par effort into their FIFA games. Look at all the other EA Sports titles. NHL, Madden, NBA, those are all fantastic games and even though I'm not into those American sports I can see why they are good.
Now take a look at FIFA. Ok, 2004 has been an improvement I must say that but look at the many errors in the game. No dynamic weather because of time contraints, the goal nets act like walls, the ball whizzes at 300 mph. Remember people, you may like FIFA but don't go about supporting the game as if you are the producer of the game, or being paid because in all honesty EA doesn't give a crap of what you really say or don't say, or think. They make a game, get their paycheck and know very well that millions will go out and buy their game regardless.
Hopefully Konami will push EA for some decent competition when they release PES3 for PC in November. It may not have the licenses but on the PC it will be editable and therefor I reckon it will do very well.

 

[Oz_Leeds_Fan]

Im all for healthy competition and given the obvious support the Konomi games have then EA appear to have a bonified rival on their hands. But your objections, and those of many here are not really very serious ones. You can do a lot with the game play and its pretty open really. If superficial things like ball speed and net firmness are still featuring as a main problem for those who dislike the game then i think FIFA have done well.

 

[cddssgl]

I think the improvement of FIFA series every year is what I'm longing for.I also think a game is just for fun, so the most important is that the game bring us happiness,but not how real the game is,if a game can't give you happiness and appeal to you, no matter how real it is,to some extend, it's not a good game

 

[adj137]

ok, there never going to make a perfect game.whichll apeal to all types of player
thats understandable,
what isnt is the hype they generate each saying how this is sooooo much better than the last.and that it will appease ALL the unhappy gamers.thats Bull

the demo is good, but there;s no way it can live up to the hype from EA

 

[nickclubman]

I liked 2003 gameplay, the way it played. But it was way too easy and had a lot of bugs.

2004 builds upon this and I am really starting to enjoy it!

EDIT: 2003 was basically sh*t, but I liked the new approach to gameplay.

 

[RuiCosta_10]

I agrre with you men

 

[karmey]

why doesn't the fifa-producers just cooperate with the other guys in Ea, who makes "nhl", "madden" and "nba"?
together, they could have made it far, far better!

 

[pokwang]

Originally posted by Funky--K
Why does the FIFA vs PES discussion allways has to be about gameplay? Simple! Coz that's the only thing PES is better at... I'll be honest, I've never looked forward to a game so much as I am for FIFA 2004! It's just a matter of what entertains you! I don't care if the gameplay sucks! I've been playing football for 5 years, and there's any game that satisfies the realism of real football, so I allways pick games for the other content! Authenticity is the key word! Real teams, real stadiums, realistic training mode, real-life-like career mode! Those are the things that enthusiasm me as a football computer game fan, not the gameplay! There isn't and there will never be a complete perfect gameplay, not even close... but FIFA has become real close to other aspects of reality this year....

Personally, if he runs like Beck, kicks like Beck, moves like Beck, thinks like Beck, then he truly IS Beck even if the graphics made him look like he belongs in Night of the Living Dead rather than a football pitch.

On the other hand, an virtual clone of Beck that could'nt kick, run nor dribble is worth sh*t to me.

That's authenticity baby!

 

[luka911]

lots of ea sports games have realism in the game but they allways seem to add more to it. they want that arcade feel all the time. if fifa was pure soccer sim. it would probably be to hard and anoying for allot of there buyers. most of there buyers are happy with shooting rocket shots. why change it?

it's all about what will make them the most money. they might be going down the right road. giving what realistic sim soccer fans want.....but they wont do this in one year. they could do it. but they wont. think about it.

every year they add something dif. they have thousands of people in forums like this going on and on about wow! i bet this year will be great. adding a few dif things every year get's people thinkin. most of those people will buy the game.

then they get people saying it's going to suck just like last year. you know what's funny.....allot of the people who trash talk fifa end up buying the game. lol

that right there shows you that fifa will allways come out winning.

doing what pes does is risky. having the best game play right away might loose them money. fifa need's to add something big and new every year. game play is allways added to that list every year....but it's never like you wish it would be. they say new improved game play or some sh*t. the game play might change a bit but it's never amazing.

it's like a video game system. if they wanted....they could make the most amazing system that would blow you away. they wont do that because they make more money taking it slow. where every few years they make a new system. it's all about money in the end for most companys.

 

[Hydde]

Originally posted by pokwang
Personally, if he runs like Beck, kicks like Beck, moves like Beck, thinks like Beck, then he truly IS Beck even if the graphics made him look like he belongs in Night of the Living Dead rather than a football pitch.

On the other hand, an virtual clone of Beck that could'nt kick, run nor dribble is worth sh*t to me.

That's authenticity baby!

this is what bothers me...extreme ****.

IM very sure that the WE eleven becks is not that almighty god you talk about. And you dont have seen the beckam in the new verison of fifa 2004 so stop talking nonsense.


Like Wolf said....everyone search what they think is good for them. I have played WE7 and i know that its gameplay kicks ass so hard....and i know how funny it is because a friend of mine have it and we play the game like crazy.

Last year with fifa, i was dissapointed because i had the uniforms the faces , the stadiums..but we didnt had gameplay. WE had gameplay....just excellent...but what about the graphics so guly..and those weird names...and all the players with the same face..and the japanese dudes talking nonsense and those ultra porno-gay celebrations. I mean... the gameplay do a goo job covering all those fouls...but i wanted more realism in terms of graphics and so on. Ok, i know that there are patch for it...but console games are not patchable..and to find rare games like "WE6 Wedoit patch" is not that easy.The game was overall better than fifa.

This year i was very exited about the new gameplay of fifa...and i just wanted something near to WE...and that with the graphics would be just perfect for me. I really dont care if the gameplay is not near to WE,as far as it is enjoyable.

This year in FIFA the gameplay is MUCH more enjoyable... and combining it with real players and attributes..and licenses and new features...it is more attractive FOR ME.

The gameplay could be not perfect and in fact it have some flaws...but with all the other things...it make a balance. Are you people geting my point??

Is Just question of tastes and thats all.

 

[pokwang]

Originally posted by Hydde
this is what bothers me...extreme ****.

IM very sure that the WE eleven becks is not that almighty god you talk about. And you dont have seen the beckam in the new verison of fifa 2004 so stop talking nonsense.
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Is Just question of tastes and thats all.

Hmmm...exactly what part of "PERSONALLY..." in my quote that you DON'T understand?

My taste bothers you? GROW UP!

 

[Hydde]

Grow up what??

you grow up and understand that NOt everyone have your same tastes.

 

[siege]

pes...patch grafix, fifa...patch gameplay. all massive and krew, your choice! myself, i'll BUY both! it doesn't get any better, 'til th' next version! peace.




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[pokwang]

Originally posted by Hydde
Grow up what??

you grow up and understand that NOt everyone have your same tastes.

Hey, I'm not the one who's BOTHERED by...um...what's that again?...yeah..."EXTREME ****" [

 

[Hydde]

ah you accepted your ****.

Cool thats enuff.

 

[pokwang]

Originally posted by Hydde
ah you accepted your ****.

Cool thats enuff.

 

[djperthglory]

guys take it from me ive been buying fifa games since 1998 and fifa 2004 just blew me away. i mean the graphics, the game play. for example the decisions on how corners and free kicks are to be taken. and the penalty box movements while a corner is taken. i love what ea have done. although ive never played PES or WE but i love the fifa series it just gets better and better.

 

[Dave Is Sexy]

Originally posted by djperthglory
guys take it from me ive been buying fifa games since 1998 and fifa 2004 just blew me away. i mean the graphics, the game play. for example the decisions on how corners and free kicks are to be taken. and the penalty box movements while a corner is taken. i love what ea have done. although ive never played PES or WE but i love the fifa series it just gets better and better.

Well said pal.