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Wenger whining again?

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FIFAfreak

Youth Team
Wenger questions Champions League
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/4523051.stm

While he may have a point which goes back to the original debate about what teams to let it (how can it be a "Champions" league if you let in teams who aren't champions!)... he's joking if he doesn't think it would still be a "surprise cup" if Arsenal made it to the final... they may have been "champions" but their form (and "consistency") in Europe is horrible. This is sour grapes as usual because he knows his side are not one of the best in Europe and he'd be singing a different tune if they did make the final.

Let's face it, if a team can win their league and make it (or nearly make it) to the final of the CL that means they're at the top of their game... only Chelsea, PSV and AC Milan can make that claim.
 
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Virgo

Guest
I actually agree it shouldn't be called Champions League when now 4 teams from some leagues actually go to the tournament.

It used to be just the champion teams from each country and that's why they called it that.
 
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Mikey

Guest
"It has convinced me even more that you cannot make a priority of the Champions League. It has to be the Premiership." -- Wenger


ya, says the guy who's team blows ass in CL but wins EPL. I thought the CSKA coach had the stupidest quotes of the week, but Wenger is giving him some competition.
 
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Mikey

Guest
he basically defended his fans for throwing flares at Parma goalie, and told everyone to excuse it because 'the fans were excited because Russian teams rarely make it this far in europe".
 
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Hendrik

Team Captain
You need more luck than talent to win a European competition. The teams are so balanced that each game could go either way.


"In the championship you have to be consistent and that is a real reflection of your consistency in a season."

"The Champions League is too much of a surprise cup now."

I agree with that.
 
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Help?

Fan Favourite
Mikey said:
he basically defended his fans for throwing flares at Parma goalie, and told everyone to excuse it because 'the fans were excited because Russian teams rarely make it this far in europe".
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It may be stupid, but he is actually right. Definietly not the thing to say and defend, because that was just a disgrace, however it was because the team made that far. Russian fans are very violent, especially if they are CSKA, Zenit or Dinamo fans and they do really stupid things without thinking. I don't want to give examples, because they are just bad.
 
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ryan_goal

Senior Squad
Hmmmmmmmm, Real won it 3 times, Juve, Bayern, Valencia and Milan(with Bayern winning it once and Milan now on the verge to wining it twice in 3 years) all made it to the final twice in recent years.........

Consistency there you go:ewan:
 
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vitu

Senior Squad
Wenger Shut the **** up! :boohoo: I mean wtf is he trying to say...Arsenal can't win a CL b/c they don't have the luck to do it???..Arsenal was made to compete in EPL and not in CL, so does Henry.
 
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PaPaGeorGeo

Fan Favourite
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger insists the Champions League is no longer a guide to the best teams in Europe.

Wenger's side face Liverpool on Sunday after Rafael Benitez clinched a date with AC Milan in the final.

But Wenger told BBC Sport: "It is not a reflection any more of the hierarchy in European football. It is a normal cup competition and there can shocks.

"It has convinced me even more that you cannot make a priority of the Champions League. It has to be the Premiership."

Wenger added: "In the championship you have to be consistent and that is a real reflection of your consistency in a season.

"I don't want to take any merit away from what Liverpool have done, but next season you can have two other teams in the final again.

"It will not happen any more that teams win it three or four times on the trot.

"The priority has to be the Premiership. If the Champions League goes well it goes well, but the Premiership has to be the most important by miles. The Champions League is too much of a surprise cup now."

I dont see anything bad about those comments, everything he says is true
 
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FIFAfreak

Youth Team
A lot of this is just mind games before their match with Liverpool... note how he says that he's not taking away and detracting from what Liverpool accomplished this season... but the whole point of his comments does just that! :|
 
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Kulixs

Starting XI
Its sort of ironic hes saying this because the final is between Milan and Liverpool. Liverpool beat Arsenal this year, and Milan beat Man Utd over both legs in the champions league, and Man Utd have beaten Arsenal 3 times this year. So the fact Wenger is putting all of this down to luck is nonsense.
 
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Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger insists the Champions League is no longer a guide to the best teams in Europe.
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Spot on.

But Wenger told BBC Sport: "It is not a reflection any more of the hierarchy in European football. It is a normal cup competition and there can shocks.

"It has convinced me even more that you cannot make a priority of the Champions League. It has to be the Premiership."
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Agreed.

Wenger added: "In the championship you have to be consistent and that is a real reflection of your consistency in a season.
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Spot on again.

The team that won it last season, Porto with Mourinho's guidance is now 4th in Portugal I think, and one of the finalists is 5th struggling to make it to fourth. I mean the title of "Champions of Europe" is starting to lose meaning. I'm not bitter or anything I am just stating my opinion. In the League the best team always rises to the top over 38games or so on.

If Arsenal or Manchester United win the FA Cup, you wouldn't proclaim them the best team in England, would you?
 
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RUSI

El Merengue Argentino
Rob said:
If Arsenal or Manchester United win the FA Cup, you wouldn't proclaim them the best team in England, would you?
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Well yeah, but that is because there is something more accurate to determine that. In Europe, there isn't. I think whoever wins the final should be called the Champion of Europe.
 
MaSsiVe

MaSsiVe

Manager
Staff member
Moderator
After reading all the statements I think that even if Wenger's trying to excuse his team's lack of achievements, he has said nothing that isn't true, so I dunno why people are bitchin so much about it :rolleyes:
 
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Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
I didn't say it shouldn't and nor did Wenger he just said that its weight and the value of it has been kind of decreased.

Don't get me wrong Porto deserved it heaps and they most likely would be first in Portugal if we hadn't raped the club.
 
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FIFAfreak

Youth Team
The FA Cup and the CL are two entirely different things... one is open to practically any club in England (certainly not the best only!) while the CL is the top performing clubs in Europe from the previous season. Previous being the key word here.

Sure Porto are actually 3rd now (and still very much in the title hunt) but that shouldn't detract from their championship (2 in a row actually and the UEFA Cup the year before!) that put them in the CL should it? Same goes for Chelsea for next year should they win it.

Man U/Arsenal and pretty much all of the Premiership clubs enjoy the luxury of byes into the latter rounds of the FA Cup as well... there are no byes in the CL except for the qualifying phase which whittles out the 3rd & 4th place finishers and the smaller league champions.

It takes consistency to win ANY competition or tournament so his point on that is meaningless. You can't really compare the CL to a domestic league either so that point is also meaningless. He should just come out and say that he thinks the CL is watered down because of the presence of 3rd and 4th place teams.

Instead he whines because this was to be the season that Arsenal won the CL and they didn't and on top of that he's battling for 2nd in the league because of his own misplaced emphasis! It's ridiculous! :rofl:
 
MaSsiVe

MaSsiVe

Manager
Staff member
Moderator
Rob said:
I didn't say it shouldn't and nor did Wenger he just said that its weight and the value of it has been kind of decreased.

Don't get me wrong Porto deserved it heaps and they most likely would be first in Portugal if we hadn't raped the club.
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I believe the first sentence would be a reply for RUSI, and that led you into trying to bring Porto down with the second sentence.
Nice try, but it didn't work :fool:


Well done anyway m8 :rolleyes:
 
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Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
FIFAfreak said:
The FA Cup and the CL are two entirely different things... one is open to practically any club in England (certainly not the best only!) while the CL is the top performing clubs in Europe from the previous season. Previous being the key word here.

Sure Porto are actually 3rd now (and still very much in the title hunt) but that shouldn't detract from their championship (2 in a row actually and the UEFA Cup the year before!) that put them in the CL should it? Same goes for Chelsea for next year should they win it.
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Fair points made. However I said what Porto done is a fantastic acheivment due to a fantastic core of players and one awesome manager and it seriously would take some beating to beat their record however I am just saying that the title of the Champions of Europe has lost its meaning because I think you need to also be the best club in your league.

Porto were, Madrid for the last 3 times weren't, Milan wasn't in 2003. The winner of the CL is just the best team for that particular tournament, while the winner of a league is undoubtably the best team in the land, as Arsenal were and Chelsea are now, and PSV are, etc.

The Champions of Europe is a very eratic tag because teams can gain that title, and not neccesalry be the best team in Europe and the same goes for the World Cup. I agree that the FA cup and the CL is a bad comparison though.

FIFAfreak said:
You can't really compare the CL to a domestic league either so that point is also meaningless. .
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Exactly, ecause the best team always wins the domestic league.
 
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Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
MaSsiVe said:
I believe the first sentence would be a reply for RUSI, and that led you into trying to bring Porto down with the second sentence.
Nice try, but it didn't work :fool:


Well done anyway m8 :rolleyes:
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I WAS replying to Rusi, Not you.

Look at the time it was posted. I posted the ENTIRE message for Rusi and not you. You are barely worth a fart in honour of your name.

Mate. :fool:
 
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