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whats up with riquelme?
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Zlatan
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Huntelaar just simply strived playing for Heerenveen, Huntelaar just simply strived against Inter last year, Huntelaar just simply strived against PSV last year, Huntelaar just simply strived during the EC, Huntelaar just simply strived against Ukraine in the EC u21 final, Huntelaar just simply strived against Kopenhagen in the first leg, Huntelaar just simply strived against Ireland on his debut in Oranje last month, Huntelaar just simply strived the whole of last season, Huntelaar just simply strives this season despite everyone telling him how good he is and how much they expect him to score. Well need I continue? No? Thank you. This is a thread about Riquelme let's keep it to that please.
BayernFan01
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Mikey said:
LOOOOOL oh man
I really don't want to turn this into a big argument, but let's see what teams you listed here:Zlatan said:
played for Heerenveen
Against Inter
Against PSV
During EC against weak teams
Against U-21 Ukraine
Against Kopenhagen
Against Ireland
Damn, those are mighty opponents!
No offence to Huntelaar, i really heard great things about him and i do hope that one day he plays for my club, but what you listened cannot even compare to countless Boca vs. River rivalries, games for Argentinian NT and Spanish League. It's just not the same. It's like saying that Dutch League is on the same level the Spanish League.
Huntelaar is a great prospect, but he still has lots and lots of work to do to reach the experience and status of Riquelme.
riquelme is someone very special , his movements are not like that of an ordinary footballer , he doesnt run too much , picks out his teammates beautifully , and remember he played for boca even before he came to villareal in la liga, so u cannot argue with the fact that he is a big match player , as for huntelaar and riquelme ,both r different players . riquelme knows what big matches demand from u , playing in regular league games is different than playing in rival club games (boca vs river) , and it is known that riquelme is the player around whom manuel pellegrini , the current villareal coach is known to have "built" the argentinian youth team and is doing same at villareal, now thats what u dont hear about every player, leave huntelaar !try comparing zidane with riquelme for that matter , only their style of play , not the achievements , only their style of play. cheers.
riquelme ... how can u just write off a player like him , his style of play is different , some might find it attractive , some might not . the main question is - how do u define "beautiful football" / " good football " / "attractive football" ? everybody and every team plays differently , some players are quick on the pitch because running with the ball on pitch , dribbling comes easy to them , and picking out teammates comes easy to riquelme , as simple as that. the real question , however should be - how do u define beautiful football?
Jealous of what? And i ain't wasting my time going through 1000 threads just to find something about Huntelaar. He hasn't proved himself anywhere big yet compared to Riquelme and that's the end of it. Don't bring up Ukraine U-21s, Dutch Leaglue, some small teams in europe etc. Riquelme bigger than Huntelaar and that's the end of that. If you don't believe that, get your head checked. I tried proving it to you in a normal way, too bad your Ajax glasses blocked everything i wroteZlatan said:
Zlatan
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Okay, you really get me going now. I've tried to tell you a zillion times we should discuss Riquelme here and not Huntelaar but now you really ****ed me up.
First off: I've never said Huntelaar was better than Riquelme
Second: Okay, let's talk through those teams Heerenveen, a ****ty team where you get about one chance every match yet somehow Klaas manages to score over 40 goals in 1,5 season, Inter: important match second round CL, Klaas plays against the best defenders but is causing havok to the defense of Inter scoring once and beeing involved in the second one. PSV: again a big match, everyone expects PSV to win if it wasn't for Klaas. Klaas scores two times and personally brings Ajax their only price of the season the Dutch cup. During the EC U21 Holland at first plays **** and it's almost only because of Klaas' goals that Holland progress through to the semi's. In the final Klaas scores two times bringing yet another trophy personally to his team as everyone put pressure on his shoulder. Klaas scores overall 52 goals in that season.
Kopenhagen: big match and a difficult away game. Everyone reckons Klaas as a top-class striker and expect him to score. He does scores two times and looks to put Ajax in the CL personally again(thanks to a stupid own goal by Vermaelen he didn't but that left aside). Ireland: His big debut everyone has been looking forward too, moreover he needs to prove he's better than a star-striker that Ruud van Nistelrooy is. Klaas scores two times and assists two times. This season everyone expects him to score much and again Klaas is up to the pressure scoring 7 times already in about as much games.
Is that enough explanation for you? All I'm saying is that Riquelme doesn't have Klaas' ability to play good under pressure, that doesn't make him better as I've seen Riquelme play like heaven aswell but Klaas and many other people are better able to handle pressure.
First off: I've never said Huntelaar was better than Riquelme
Second: Okay, let's talk through those teams Heerenveen, a ****ty team where you get about one chance every match yet somehow Klaas manages to score over 40 goals in 1,5 season, Inter: important match second round CL, Klaas plays against the best defenders but is causing havok to the defense of Inter scoring once and beeing involved in the second one. PSV: again a big match, everyone expects PSV to win if it wasn't for Klaas. Klaas scores two times and personally brings Ajax their only price of the season the Dutch cup. During the EC U21 Holland at first plays **** and it's almost only because of Klaas' goals that Holland progress through to the semi's. In the final Klaas scores two times bringing yet another trophy personally to his team as everyone put pressure on his shoulder. Klaas scores overall 52 goals in that season.
Kopenhagen: big match and a difficult away game. Everyone reckons Klaas as a top-class striker and expect him to score. He does scores two times and looks to put Ajax in the CL personally again(thanks to a stupid own goal by Vermaelen he didn't but that left aside). Ireland: His big debut everyone has been looking forward too, moreover he needs to prove he's better than a star-striker that Ruud van Nistelrooy is. Klaas scores two times and assists two times. This season everyone expects him to score much and again Klaas is up to the pressure scoring 7 times already in about as much games.
Is that enough explanation for you? All I'm saying is that Riquelme doesn't have Klaas' ability to play good under pressure, that doesn't make him better as I've seen Riquelme play like heaven aswell but Klaas and many other people are better able to handle pressure.
WTF is this then?Zlatan said:
Zlatan said:
You didn't say that Klaas has more skill than Riquelme, but neither did i. You are saying that Klaas shines in games against big teams, while Riquelme doesn't and that's absolutely incorrect.
And i'm not going over all those games you mentioned yet again, any smart person will realize that playing for the best team in the Dutch League and getting them to the top is much easier than playing for a very average team in the Spanish League, getting them into the top 3 and getting them into the semis of the CL. And a game with Inter is nothing compared to a game with River playing for Boca.
You are saying that Klaas can play under pressure, while Requelme can't, so defend that, not do a one sided argument defending Klaas' ability, i never doubted his ability, you are just doubting Requelme's ability for no apparent reason.
Zlatan
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If I recall correctly Villareal finished 7th last season, so so much for guiding them to the top 3. He did guide them to the semi's but wasn't able to get them to the final by missing a penalty kick when all the pressure was put on him. He didn't play good at the WC cause the team was formed around him. If the team would've been build around Messi(another young player who can handle pressure very well) they would've won the WC I'm sure.
And as you said correctly I've never said Huntelaar has more skill than Riquelme simply because they are totally diffrent players, you cannot compare them.
And as you said correctly I've never said Huntelaar has more skill than Riquelme simply because they are totally diffrent players, you cannot compare them.
2004/2005 season Villareal finished 3rd in La Liga, qualifying for CLZlatan said:
Then the next season in CL they got to the semis.
So you base your fact that Riquelme always messes up under pressure because he missed a penalty in the semis of the CL and didn't perform well in the WC, despite setting up the first goal of the Germany game and having the whole team play bad.
Zlatan
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Okay let me continue than. How about his beautiful spell at Barca? He came in there as big talent, just played a great season with Boca but now everyone knows him as a big talent and expects him to play big and become the next Maradona. But no, the poor guy f*cks up in every match he plays. And don't say Van Gaal didn't give him a chance. He still played over 20 games that season most of which under Van Gaal's reign. But he played **** and all and went to the small club that Villareal was back than. He guided them to great heights because no-one expected that anymore. Now as everyone expects him to do the same again this season added to the fact of his unfortnate ill mother(best of wishes) it remains to be seen if he can perform again on the highest level.
Conclusion: Riquelme plays great when there's no pressure, but flops when there's all the pressure.
Conclusion: Riquelme plays great when there's no pressure, but flops when there's all the pressure.
Did you even watch those 20 Barca games that Riquelme played in? My guess is no, because if you did, you would have noticed that Riquelme was used out of position on the flanks more than anywhere else. And most of his apperances were sub appearances. The coach at that time Van Gaal, even said that signing Roman wasn't his choice. He never treated his well or gave him a real chance. Now how can you shine, when the team is under the immense pressure and the coach absolutely dislikes you? Van Gaal called Riquleme only a "political signing", if you can recall that? So, there goes that Barca argument.Zlatan said:
As for the World Cup, Riquelme created both goals that beat Ivory Coast and was the man of the match in a game where Argentina destroyed Serbia 6-0 and as i have mentioned setup the first goal against Germany.
Continue on if you got more arguments though, because so far none of them proved your point. Otherwise, just admit that you haven't seen much of Riquelme and were wrong about doubting his abilities to perform in important games. He is no Ronaldinho, Zidane or Van Nistelrooy for sure, but he is definietly NOT the opposite of Klaas in that matter.
Zlatan
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Well in all the big games I've never really seen him shine. I'm sorry.
And if Klaas ever plays like heaven in your Man Utd(atleast I expect that's your team right? Hey how did I know that?) you will come back and kiss my feet and say he's better than Riquelme.
just a joke don't worry
And if Klaas ever plays like heaven in your Man Utd(atleast I expect that's your team right? Hey how did I know that?) you will come back and kiss my feet and say he's better than Riquelme.
just a joke don't worry