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why do they bother with the rugby world cup?

Alex

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Originally posted by John_Arne_Riise
If thats the case, wouldnt they be better of spending the money on producing home grown talents?
The three biggest soccer leagues in the world: Spain, Italy and England...

Spains number 1 team last season: Real Madrid: Ronaldo-Brazil, Roberto Carlos-Brazil, Zidane-France, Figo-Portugal, Makelele-France...need I go on?

England's: Man Utd: Ruud-Holland, Barthez-France...

Just look at Chelsea this year, and Arsenal are full of frenchies...
 

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Originally posted by John_Arne_Riise
Im sure you're not talking about the Soccer World Cup there, as Argentina were bundled out in the group stages after being hot favourites to top their group and go on and win the Cup.
Nah the 1999 Rugby World Cup mate.
 

footballhell77

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Originally posted by Alex
Ok...everyone is saying it has no point...but consider that it is the 2ng biggest single sport, event in the world...behind the FIFA World Cup...

Soccer is a much more world wide game, yes, BUT when it boils down to it, there are about 5 teams that are a RAL chance at winning the soccer world cup...And the same goes for the Rugby World Cup.

Your so wrong i can name alot of teams that can win the world cup Like brazil, england,france,italy, holland,germany,argentina,spain, and maybe a african team could pull it off. Even the world cup in 2002 was some what not up to standards but turkey could have been world champs if they beat brazil cuz they could take germany in the final so yea
 

footballhell77

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and anyways usa are getting better at football as soon as they get more foreigners coming in to the united states. and the usa sees that they are good and soon you will have all foreingers on the usa national team and then they could pull it off for sure. And look at turkey they are now a soon to be big power in football where is the next big thing in rugby?:kader:
 

zul-aid

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Originally posted by footballhell77
where is the next big thing in rugby?:kader:

well Japan and USA will be a force in ten years time.

You can ride them off all you like look at the Cricket world cup A country (kenya) not even rated a chance of winning it made the semi-finals.

Dangerzone: GO TO THE CNN WEBSITE FOR SPORT - SEE AMERICANS DO TKAE INTEREST (CAPS ARE ANONYING YES?)

Also check national anthems thread in non-football discussion forum.


Name another team competition besides Soccer that has as much world wide appeal as Rugby? (besides Soccer and Olympics)
 

danger zone

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Of course the rugby world cup is at cnn dickhead, after all it is a worldwide news platform after all, not just for the united states. i question your simplistic mentality. and to even suggest japan will be a force in ten years might be the single most ridiculous thing i have ever read. in 1987 the all blcaks beat italy 70-6 at the opening game of that tournament. 16 long years later they beat them 70-7! wheres the progression then? and you think japan and the usa are poised to break through? how!? i watch brief highlights of the us national league on fox sportsworld every now and then and the games are played at a local park with ten people watching! ever heard of the nba? the nfl? or major league baseball? those are americas sports, rugby is just a game that foreigners bring with them over here. i know, i live here pal. why cant you see this? i also think that the european soccer championship is more of a draw worlwide than some second rate rugby world cup. after all most of europe and the world have an interest in that. you're living in a fantasy world son. it's pathetic. i suggest you do the following. buy a plane ticket. travel to the united states. travel to great britain. anywhere. then see how many people give a crap about rugby. do that and maybe you will finally understand that no one cares. but theres no telling you that however is there?
 

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Originally posted by footballhell77
Your so wrong i can name alot of teams that can win the world cup Like brazil, england,france,italy, holland,germany,argentina,spain, and maybe a african team could pull it off. Even the world cup in 2002 was some what not up to standards but turkey could have been world champs if they beat brazil cuz they could take germany in the final so yea [/B]
You definitely buggered up your quoting...

The chance of an African team winning the world cup, are WORSE then the chance of Ireland winning the Rugby World Cup IMO...

Holland didnt make the last soccer world cup, and whilst it could be argued that was because of the strength of competition in soccer, it could also be argued that theyre not a World Cup contender if theyre not there ;) Why have the soccer World Cup if a contender isnt there?

In Rugby you have: France, South Africa, England, Australia and New Zealand who are definitely all chances of winning...And to be honest, I think that the chance of anyone bar NZ/England (arguably the favourites), than ANYONE had of beating Brazil in the last Soccer World Cup...NZ and England are already one more team than just Brazil...You may say that Brazil werent favourites going into the tournament, but that doesnt really matter...The point is that they won it easily in the end.

The point is, the Rugby World Cup is the SECOND biggest World Cup in the world...Atleast the Rugby playing nations arent just calling their domestic competitions a World Series...OR their domestic winners the "World Champions"...The idea is that the winner of the World Cup is crowned the World Champions...THATS the underlying factor in "why they bother with the Rugby World Cup"
 

Alex

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Originally posted by danger zone
Of course the rugby world cup is at cnn dickhead, after all it is a worldwide news platform after all, not just for the united states. i question your simplistic mentality. and to even suggest japan will be a force in ten years might be the single most ridiculous thing i have ever read. in 1987 the all blcaks beat italy 70-6 at the opening game of that tournament. 16 long years later they beat them 70-7! wheres the progression then? and you think japan and the usa are poised to break through? how!? i watch brief highlights of the us national league on fox sportsworld every now and then and the games are played at a local park with ten people watching! ever heard of the nba? the nfl? or major league baseball? those are americas sports, rugby is just a game that foreigners bring with them over here. i know, i live here pal. why cant you see this? i also think that the european soccer championship is more of a draw worlwide than some second rate rugby world cup. after all most of europe and the world have an interest in that. you're living in a fantasy world son. it's pathetic. i suggest you do the following. buy a plane ticket. travel to the united states. travel to great britain. anywhere. then see how many people give a crap about rugby. do that and maybe you will finally understand that no one cares. but theres no telling you that however is there?
haha...I really dont know why u call urself an American based NZer...Because ur views seem very americanated to me...

For a start, you use Italy as evidence of Japans rise? Japan were beaten in a World Record win for the All Blacks, two World Cups ago (1995)...They only JUST lost to Scotland, who are far from minnows, in this tournament. Improvement? I think so...Now I can see why you used Italy to prove your point, as Japan clearly wouldnt have.

Noone in Britain cares about Rugby? Tell that to half of the English people on these boards...YES their number one sport is soccer, but the point is a fair few of them still follow Rugby...

I think your problem is that youve been in the USA too long..and basically if it isnt NFL, NBA, Baseball, or NHL, they dont watch it over there...But do we complain about the whole point of those sports?

We CAN see that the USA dont care much about Rugby, but they also apparently dont care about soccer, and their national team is on the rise...AND im sure if they start being REAL chances in the world cup americans will take an interest...Just like they have taken more interest (im not saying lots, just some) in the Tour De France thanks to Lance...you can say that this is the only race they take any notice in...But to be honest, any cycling fan will tell you, this is the only race Lance really tries to win.

FACT: the Rugby World Cup IS the 2nd biggest single sport event in the world. 2nd only to the soccer World Cup.
 

danger zone

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You seem to take great pride that the rugby world cup is allegedly the second biggest team sports event in the world. That doesnt mean anyone cares about it apart from a new zealand, a couple of auusies, brits and south africans. It doesnt mean a damn thing, because rugby has no hope of expanding becuase people are set in their ways. You cant convert people to like another sport. I can look at it differently living here in the states. Of course my thinking has changed, I've lived here for six years mate. It's hard not to when Rugby doesnt exist, whatsoever. If Americans dont take to soccer why would they take to rugby, hmm? Rugby fans can boast all they want about no 2 this and that, but like i said, it means nothing. So what if it is a fact? What does that mean? Does it mean, 'ha ha, you're wrong becuase that means rugby is so popular'. Bollocks it does. You know why Japan put a few points on the board? Becuase the teams they are playing have regressed while the usual powers have gotten stronger! Japan have always put a few points on the board at evey world cup. So how does that mean they've progressed? Are they winning? No. Will they ever? No. So whats your point then? Scotland beat them 32-11. Only just beat them? Sounds convincing to me. Get it together the lot of you. Pull your heads out of your collective asses and look at the wider picture, where rugby doesnt mean anything to most of the world.
 

zul-aid

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wow I never knew 1/2 a million people in 20 games = a couple of Aussies? :rolleyes:

wow obviously you havent been to a game or watched one yet Danger zone, why does your name remind me of "Top Gun" maybe its the crappy theme song - 'I went through the danger zone'

Fact: 60,000 play rugby in America double that for part-timers

Fact: 60,000 russians went to see Georgia play Russia to advance to the WC (both countries are soccer mad)

46,000 went to Scotland vs USA - I can tell you now it was deadset even with people from both countries - many American and Scottish accents did I hear, but ofcourse im only working at the WC how should I know?
 

Alex

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Originally posted by danger zone
You seem to take great pride that the rugby world cup is allegedly the second biggest team sports event in the world. That doesnt mean anyone cares about it apart from a new zealand, a couple of auusies, brits and south africans. It doesnt mean a damn thing, because rugby has no hope of expanding becuase people are set in their ways. You cant convert people to like another sport. I can look at it differently living here in the states. Of course my thinking has changed, I've lived here for six years mate. It's hard not to when Rugby doesnt exist, whatsoever. If Americans dont take to soccer why would they take to rugby, hmm? Rugby fans can boast all they want about no 2 this and that, but like i said, it means nothing. So what if it is a fact? What does that mean? Does it mean, 'ha ha, you're wrong becuase that means rugby is so popular'. Bollocks it does. You know why Japan put a few points on the board? Becuase the teams they are playing have regressed while the usual powers have gotten stronger! Japan have always put a few points on the board at evey world cup. So how does that mean they've progressed? Are they winning? No. Will they ever? No. So whats your point then? Scotland beat them 32-11. Only just beat them? Sounds convincing to me. Get it together the lot of you. Pull your heads out of your collective asses and look at the wider picture, where rugby doesnt mean anything to most of the world.

ARGH!
Again, you miss the whole point...We're not saying that Rugby is the worlds number 1 sport...We KNOW that it never will be...

BUT we ARE providing evidence that the Rugby World Cup IS worth it, and thats what this argument is all about...You can mince our words, and try and change the topic around as much as you like, but in the end, the Rugby World Cup is as worthwhile, OR more so than any other major sporting event, apart from the FIFA World Cup...

Japan vs Scotland (IF you actually watched it) was a closer match than the 32-11 scoreline indicates...And even taking that scoreline into account, look at their match against the All Blacks in 1995...The All Blacks score in excess of 100 points...

Seriously you tell us to look at the wider picture? We've never said Rugby means anything to the rest of the world...We never claimed anything like that...HOWEVER, it means more to the rest of the world than anything else you can throw at us, apart from a few major exceptions. I think YOU are the one who needs to look at the wide picture...

So number 2 sporting event means nothing? I think you need to have a long hard look at that statement. If it means nothing, then ALL SPORTING EVENTS, outside the World Cup, MEAN NOTHING.

Think outside the US...Look past the brainwashing that the culture has seemed to enthrust into you...Its a wide world, and more of them play Rugby then the american sports ;)
 

rhizome17

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Look danger zone, maybe you should make it clear you are only talking about the US. Having lived in the UK I can guarantee that people there DO care about rugby. Don't let the insularity of the US get to you. Rugby has a HUGE following in england and wales, definitely growing in France, and as always Aussie and New Zealand.

How long have you spent in the UK? Because I suggest you spend some time there before you start generalising about any lack of interest there.

Why, the very first story on the BBC television last night was about Rugby. And don't do telling me the UK is a minor player in the world in any domain.

It doesn't feature in the US, just as US sports don't rate anywhere else. Noone is actually disagreeing with this, which is after all the only point you have to make.

You are debating thin air. Noone here actually cares if Rugby doesn't rate in the US. Yet none of us bother to make threads where we spend the whole time bashing baseball or gridiron. Because WE DON'T CARE. What is actually the problem with there being threads on the Rugby World Cup for heavens sake? Again, noone here is trying to convert anybody. In fact we were all minding our own business and discussing the World Cup. Why don't you just get on with your american sports and leave it alone? I think we have got the message i.e. you don't think Rugby is a truly global sport compared to soccer AND WE AGREED WITH YOU.

End of story, really.
 

zul-aid

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I have just watched a documentary on the Aussie side on Pay TV here Andrew Slack and Nick Farr-Jones were talking about how amuter the team was in 1986

7 players couldnt go to Auckland that year because of work. To think of it then top 3 team couldnt field its proper side because they were working to see were Rugby is now - is quite amazing really.
 

danger zone

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Yeah it's funny to see where it is now isnt it. The same teams winning because they have the money to, while the lower teams get worse. Amazing isn't it?More so than they ever were. Oh and Dumbo my good man, you are only 20 years of age correct? I'm 34, and have seen it all in rugby my lad. I think I'm better qualified to make assumptions than you, despite you sitting on the sidelines of some tournament. An interesting fact. In 1981 I remember watching the All Blacks playing Romania. They won 14-6. In 1981! What would the score be now? Romania. Going places eh kid?
 

zul-aid

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Originally posted by danger zone
Yeah it's funny to see where it is now isnt it. The same teams winning because they have the money to, while the lower teams get worse. Amazing isn't it?More so than they ever were. Oh and Dumbo my good man, you are only 20 years of age correct? I'm 34, and have seen it all in rugby my lad. I think I'm better qualified to make assumptions than you, despite you sitting on the sidelines of some tournament. An interesting fact. In 1981 I remember watching the All Blacks playing Romania. They won 14-6. In 1981! What would the score be now? Romania. Going places eh kid?

Wow you remind me of Perles with him quoting ages

What i find funny is your now ignoring Alex and Aarons remarks and concentating on mine well Alex is 19-20, I dont know how old Aaron is but he isnt in his 30s.

But whats age got to do with it? does that mean your mature and more knowledgeable then me? are you that stupid?

Hey if were talking about progress where is Denmarks progress in soccer? Englands? Scotland? last time I checked they hadnt won an international tournament for many decades

oh well

Also you claim soccer hasnt had an effect on the USA public check profiles on all the members here and find out their nationality


Its sad how your whole arguement now boils down to your age, its almost as pityful as many of your fomer arguements

I very much doubt that Romania NZ was of any importance since only recently (this past decade) have NZ rugby become professional and many players werent tied up with work and families. (but ofcourse you would know that wouldnt you since you have such a board range of knowledge on all sports)
 

Bobby

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I think that all sports, be in american or a native game of Swaziland, should have a world cup.

Those who play that sport around the world deserve the chance to represent their nation on the world stage. And thats what this is all about, not how good Team A is, and how bad they would trash Team B. It's about representing your country, at what you love to do. Nobody should be denied that.
 

zul-aid

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Im working NZ vs Tonga tonite - should be a good atmosphere type game ( it wont be close -but i dont care)
 

chris_gibson69

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the only way sports progress is by playing them... i've watched every match (on tele... wish i was there!) so far and there are big scores but at least the other teams put effort in.

imo the match of the tournament so far was japan - fiji, neither are expected to win it but they play good rugby and it was a good match. Union is definately on the rise, and in the not too distant future i think u'll see a lot more teams playing it and the world cup being a very competitive tournament.

but now there's only one team in it... England :D
 


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