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wish for WE7
- Thread starter PRO_TOO
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SatanJones
Youth Team
HEre is a wish of mine:
If you are the attacking mid, and there are two players making runs above you on the field, holding triangle hard will pass to the farther guy, and tapping it lightly to the near guy. Cuz right now you cannot pass to the farther guy, which is retarded since it happens more often than not in real life.
If you are the attacking mid, and there are two players making runs above you on the field, holding triangle hard will pass to the farther guy, and tapping it lightly to the near guy. Cuz right now you cannot pass to the farther guy, which is retarded since it happens more often than not in real life.
Really, a good idea SatanJones~
Here's another.
Implement an easier manual thru-lob button.
Now, the lob length when pressing R1+Triangle is automatic.
Instead, add a power bar. Just tapping on the Triangle button (while holding R1) will send the ball just infront of the reciever, else the longer we press the Triangle the futher the ball drops ahead, triggering a 'thru-lob power bar.'
Before, even the slightes tap will send the ball way ahead making this option useless at random times.
I'm just asking for more control.
^^
Here's another.
Implement an easier manual thru-lob button.
Now, the lob length when pressing R1+Triangle is automatic.
Instead, add a power bar. Just tapping on the Triangle button (while holding R1) will send the ball just infront of the reciever, else the longer we press the Triangle the futher the ball drops ahead, triggering a 'thru-lob power bar.'
Before, even the slightes tap will send the ball way ahead making this option useless at random times.
I'm just asking for more control.
^^
SatanJones
Youth Team
Dave, great idea as well.
These are my opinions, to take it further:
For short pass (X), I feel that a power bar would be too much since I pass with it so much during a game. Mostly its ok. But I think that maybe a power bar should be optional for those who want it. More difficult to use but greater control. Again, we could do the tap X to go directional to a close player, and hold X to go in the same direction to farther player. This would be especially sweet on counters/etc. like the Triangle button. Much more realistic.
For lead lobs and lob 1-2s like you mentioned, DEFINATELY add a power bar. The system is crap. Same thing for regular 1-2s, but to a lesser extent, since we don't want them TOO effective like in older games.
Now, you may be thinking (I am) this makes the game TOO EASY since this much control would make us gods of soccer. BUT, they should either add a higher 6 star AI level or change the whole defense system. Dribbling is too easy, even in WE6FE. WE6I is a joke obviously. I will not mention PES2. QUick turns are too easy to trick defenders with. I guess they can keep the same system but add a 6 star level where its much harder.
This way, MORE realism, REALISTIC games, but it STAYS HARD. What a wonderful world it would be...
PS I am typing so much because I'm still on a rush from the Milan win today. WOOOHOOO!!!!
These are my opinions, to take it further:
For short pass (X), I feel that a power bar would be too much since I pass with it so much during a game. Mostly its ok. But I think that maybe a power bar should be optional for those who want it. More difficult to use but greater control. Again, we could do the tap X to go directional to a close player, and hold X to go in the same direction to farther player. This would be especially sweet on counters/etc. like the Triangle button. Much more realistic.
For lead lobs and lob 1-2s like you mentioned, DEFINATELY add a power bar. The system is crap. Same thing for regular 1-2s, but to a lesser extent, since we don't want them TOO effective like in older games.
Now, you may be thinking (I am) this makes the game TOO EASY since this much control would make us gods of soccer. BUT, they should either add a higher 6 star AI level or change the whole defense system. Dribbling is too easy, even in WE6FE. WE6I is a joke obviously. I will not mention PES2. QUick turns are too easy to trick defenders with. I guess they can keep the same system but add a 6 star level where its much harder.
This way, MORE realism, REALISTIC games, but it STAYS HARD. What a wonderful world it would be...
PS I am typing so much because I'm still on a rush from the Milan win today. WOOOHOOO!!!!
SatanJones
Youth Team
Originally posted by PRO_TOO
funny... i love to see that u guys r full of good ideas but what about mine???
Elaborate. When would you control him. IMO, I cant react fast enough to save a header, for example, especially when you cant really see where its going on the horizontal view...
I think all the freedom ideas are (and have been for along time) great. But, I think the main deterrent from wanting such full-fledged control of the individual player, for both us and the makers, is the fact that so much of WE's successful gameplay is based on the realism of the individual player, so, in turn, their ratings.
You can't the ability for Nicky Butt to be doing glorious aerial through-balls left and right. It's not realistic. But, I do think a lot fo what has been said could work well. Maybe with all the power-meter business, it could be like....a basketball game's freethrows - the worse the player, the faster the bar moves up = harder to make the pinpointed pass you wanted.
Who knows, all I'm saying is that there's a fine line that needs to be kept between the gamer and the AI affecting which part of the game.
You can't the ability for Nicky Butt to be doing glorious aerial through-balls left and right. It's not realistic. But, I do think a lot fo what has been said could work well. Maybe with all the power-meter business, it could be like....a basketball game's freethrows - the worse the player, the faster the bar moves up = harder to make the pinpointed pass you wanted.
Who knows, all I'm saying is that there's a fine line that needs to be kept between the gamer and the AI affecting which part of the game.
This is a great thread.
Could see lots of great ideas.
Psychopomp,
That's exactly what I had in mind.
Either the speed of the power bar or accuracy of where the ball goes should depend on the AI (i.e. player stats). Just didn't like how the 'length' was randomly controlled by the cpu.
Sometimes, I want to do a slight chip in the box over the last line of defense... and what do I get?? .. a fast, low, and long aerial lob over the end line -.-
And, SatanJones
I totally agree with you about having the option to pass to a player further away. And your idea just might slove the problem.
^^
Could see lots of great ideas.
Psychopomp,
That's exactly what I had in mind.
Either the speed of the power bar or accuracy of where the ball goes should depend on the AI (i.e. player stats). Just didn't like how the 'length' was randomly controlled by the cpu.
Sometimes, I want to do a slight chip in the box over the last line of defense... and what do I get?? .. a fast, low, and long aerial lob over the end line -.-
And, SatanJones
I totally agree with you about having the option to pass to a player further away. And your idea just might slove the problem.
^^
I only pld pes2, so i don't know if this is fixed in WE6FE. When i try a manual long pass the meter always fills up fully resulting in a very long pass. Even when i just tap R1 and tap the right stick.
This must be fixed.
I want also to control my player when the cpu keeper has the ball in his hands. Because sometimes i want to tackle the keeper to clear my frustrations
This must be fixed.
I want also to control my player when the cpu keeper has the ball in his hands. Because sometimes i want to tackle the keeper to clear my frustrations
hey Psychopomp, i had a look at your post and i totally agree with u! IMO i dont want too many power bars! in the end it will be all about powerbars! thasts not good! u wouldt only win if u are "the master od sensitive button pressing" or somethin like that! hope u understand! no powerbar for short passes! just keep the idea of pressing the button hard or soft to control the lenght of the pass, as SatanJones said!
another thing is that if u play a thru pass on the ground and your player and the opponent runs for it, your player will keep on running a little while the opponent is going for another direction (with the ball for sure!!!) and then your player will stop for a sec (its an animations!!!)! i hate that! hope u understand!
another thing is that if u play a thru pass on the ground and your player and the opponent runs for it, your player will keep on running a little while the opponent is going for another direction (with the ball for sure!!!) and then your player will stop for a sec (its an animations!!!)! i hate that! hope u understand!
SatanJones
Youth Team
Yeah that is the worst. Maybe they do it so its not too easy to steal the ball back. Who knows. But its definately not REALISTIC.
I agree with you guys on the idea of keeping these new added control passing features, but making them less accurate for worse players. Now, whether you think it should be a quicker bar or maybe just less accuracy (the pass does not do exactly what it should) that is opinion.
After we finish we should compile a well-typed, clear list, and spam all of Konami's email boxes with it.
I heard a long time ago that they were going to fix the mindless over-running and "locked" running for balls that are picked off by the defense Apparantely they will change their runs adn keep putting pressure on the defense. Hopefully that's true.
Something I thnk they could have, and should, is even more specific playing styles for each team. I think they do somewhat all ready (At least it seems so), but it could be done more.
Another thing, which I think they fixed partially for WE6FE, is the player speed balance; Fixing the fact that Laurent Blanc can catch Thierry Henry in certain situations. C'mon......
But, with that change, they'll need to incoporate smarter defensive tactics, so that it doesn't rely on "cheat" tactics - like enhanced speed or whatever.
Whatever happens, this game will be sweet, and I'm fucking pumped.
Something I thnk they could have, and should, is even more specific playing styles for each team. I think they do somewhat all ready (At least it seems so), but it could be done more.
Another thing, which I think they fixed partially for WE6FE, is the player speed balance; Fixing the fact that Laurent Blanc can catch Thierry Henry in certain situations. C'mon......
But, with that change, they'll need to incoporate smarter defensive tactics, so that it doesn't rely on "cheat" tactics - like enhanced speed or whatever.
Whatever happens, this game will be sweet, and I'm fucking pumped.
More team specific styles would be sweet... it's cool that teams like Celtic and Rangers play tough, uncompromising football, and Juventus' defence mirrors what the real life players do, but you never see teams that use long ball really play the long ball. For instance, Man U. David Beckham dribbles too much, and doesn't do enough long passing.
But I agree that the defence needs to be improved on a whole. It's way too easy in WE6I to hold onto the ball in the final third, while the defence chases after it like headless chickens, even on five star. And this is after three weeks of playing, and without doing Umbro PTC.
Also, why is it that one's defenders never respect their zones when the CPU attacks? Regardless of how much tweaking you do, centrebacks and full backs get drawn out of position waaay too easily.
But I agree that the defence needs to be improved on a whole. It's way too easy in WE6I to hold onto the ball in the final third, while the defence chases after it like headless chickens, even on five star. And this is after three weeks of playing, and without doing Umbro PTC.
Also, why is it that one's defenders never respect their zones when the CPU attacks? Regardless of how much tweaking you do, centrebacks and full backs get drawn out of position waaay too easily.
please not! please!!! i don't want to press a button to send a player into free space! thats just bullsh..!!! the AI should be that good, to manage that! when i go throught the middle then my teammates should move at the outside or one of my teammates should try to cross my way! again, please KONAMI do not include a f*ckin "run into free space button"! PLEASE!!!