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World Cup Groupe G: France vs Switzerland [P+R]
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rpvankasteren
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You didn't read anything in this thread before making that comment, right?CR_manutd said:He's not indian, he's born in France from Mauritian parentsand what's the problem if he's Indian you racist prick
ULTRA SOUTH said:He'll stay here in Marseille!Lyon wants him but we don't agree so he's gonna stay here. His family feels good in Marseille, he's our playmaker, our best player. We took him freely from Galatasaray... Thanks to Marseille he had his chance in Ligue 1 and in European Cups, and in France NT too.
I've heard he would like to leave but he has said nothing because he's concentrating on his W. But if he leaves l'OM, I think he'll go out from France. And prices are 25/30M€ in Marseille. We don't need money, we need Ribéry so...
http://www.olweb.fr/index.php?lng=fr&a=25061&pid=101002
This is the official website of Lyon..
We understand from that link that Ribery is leaving Marseille so goodbye to Ribery
Lyon will pay to Marseille 16 milyon euros and 6-8 million euros from this money will go to Galatasaray..People make excuses for Henry. "He does not get the service" or " He needs to control things instead of Zidane". That is crap. When he gets the ball at his feet, why does he still fu<k up? He gets the ball and does NOTHING with it. You cant blame anyone but Henry for that. He plays like he has put his boots on back to front. He does not track back when he loses the ball either. He just shrugs his shoulders and tries to blame someone else. At Arsenal in the EPL (at home mostly) he does well but take him out of Highbury and he underachieves and whinges too much. No wonder he stayed at Arsenal. Anywhere else and he would probably be a flop.
Viera is rubbish. Zidane is too old and slow. Saha is fast but he is clumsy. The entire team, apart from Makalele, look like they just aint interested. Maybe something behind the scenes has pissed them off or something. I dont think anyone was really surprised though with the performance. I think most people expected this anyway.
Viera is rubbish. Zidane is too old and slow. Saha is fast but he is clumsy. The entire team, apart from Makalele, look like they just aint interested. Maybe something behind the scenes has pissed them off or something. I dont think anyone was really surprised though with the performance. I think most people expected this anyway.
it still only mentions the transfer is a strong possibility.diroix said:http://www.olweb.fr/index.php?lng=fr&a=25061&pid=101002
This is the official website of Lyon..
We understand from that link that Ribery is leaving Marseille so goodbye to Ribery
bertrandcantat
Youth Team
France / Coree :
I would like this composition :
--------------Barthez-------------------
--Sagnol----Thuram----Gallas----Abidal--
---------------Makalele-------------------
Wiltord (60' Dhorasso)--Malouda (60' Ribery)
----------------Zidane-------------------
----Saha (70' Trezeguet)---Henry---------
I would like this composition :
--------------Barthez-------------------
--Sagnol----Thuram----Gallas----Abidal--
---------------Makalele-------------------
Wiltord (60' Dhorasso)--Malouda (60' Ribery)
----------------Zidane-------------------
----Saha (70' Trezeguet)---Henry---------
rony31 said:hahaha, ya "a lot of French fans hate him". no they don't. in fact up until today you've talked nothing but **** about Dhorasoo, saying he's a joke and questioning his constant inclusion in the French squad. admit it, today was the first time you've seen him play other than on PES5, isn't it?
Not even. I admit I underated him but he did well. Still many bad decisions by Domenech. Fack.
Seggie8 said:
haha pathetic
You saw him one time, and you're saying that :Bow: He made a fantastic season in club, he's one of the best hope in Europe even if he's already 23. And agasint Switzerland, he wasn't the worst player, he was maybe the most creative thanks to his speed... 4 games in NT! 23 years! What did you expect? He was playing in 3rd French Division 2 years ago, and now he's playing World Cup...
In France we're expecting about Henry, Zidane.. But Ribéry is a young player, we know he has to play more international games to get experience.
NGAFOOTBALLKING
Senior Squad
Seggie8 said:
ummm....its Football not Soccer.
PaPaGeorGeo
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this is an international forum get over it
Luis Ah-Hoy
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Some guys are putting Ribéry down so early... he's a world class player, and i really think he'll prove it to the ceptics... may not be in this WC, but he will... he's a great player, he just under-performed in this first game... it happens to the best!
Jedi Mind Trick
Starting XI
Luis Ah-Hoy said:
he's a good player and he is being unfairly criticized after his first world cup start, especially after everyone pushing for him to play more.
but i wouldn't call him world class just yet...
ULTRA SOUTH said:
Exactly my point. The coach is a fcuking retard. He knows Ribery isn't ready on the international level but he still plays him in a very important game. He shoulda put Trez, but the controversial Domenech puts in Ribery and expects him to lead the team. I expected Ribery to mess up and right when I saw his name on the starting lineup, I wasn't too sure about the match. Back to Ribery tho, the coach played him and he fcuked up his opportunities. I don't care what he did in his past. This is the WC, crapiness is not acceptable. Oh and anyone can run. Speed only looks good when u can control the ball. That was not a factor at all for Ribery in the match.
Jedi Mind Trick
Starting XI
this article from soccernet's pretty much on point:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/column...=worldcup&cc=5901&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1
South Koreans are not normally given to blowing their own trumpet, preferring modesty and understatement to predictions of certain victory.
However, it says everything about the current woeful state of the French national team that the Asians feel rather confident of getting a good result when they meet 'Les Bleus' in a Group G showdown in Leipzig on Sunday.
'It's nice for us to be number one in this group and I think we have a good chance of still being there after we play France,' said South Korean journalist Roh Ju-Hwan of Sports Chosun after watching the World Cup winners of 1998 fail to move out of first gear in an insipid goalless draw with Switzerland.
'Of course every World Cup game is tough and we respect the French players enormously, but they do seem to have many problems. In particular Zidane looked very tired in the later stages and for all their star names in attack, they posed little threat to the Swiss. I'm much more confident than I was about us doing well against the French.'
From my seat in the Stuttgart press box on Tuesday, France looked like a side clearly lacking in ideas and direction, with the on-pitch arguments between captain Zinedine Zidane and senior members of the defensive line a sign of what may be to come as the great man looks to make a final glorious bow in a game he has helped to make beautiful during his magical career.
Certainly France coach Raymond Domenech is taking a huge risk by by depending so much on the skills of veteran his playmaker. The ailing Zizou may be a Gallic football legend who has won virtually every honour in the game, but the facts have to be faced that time has caught up with the 34-year-old. Physically he is living on borrowed time and while the extraordinary ball skills remain, there must be a doubt as to whether he can last the pace in this his final hurrah as a professional.
The problem the French media have is that it is an unwritten rule of thumb not to criticise Zidane. Since he scored those two goals against Brazil in the 1998 World Cup Final it has become almost a cardinal sin to take pot shots at him and thus even though he clearly was out of gas in the last half-hour of the Swiss match, the verdict on his performance was generally a positive one.
'Zidane is still the ringmaster of the French side, the maestro who sets the tempo of the game and makes things happen,' says Jean-Yves Guerin of Le Figaro newspaper. 'Several times he put Thierry Henry through on goal. It's not Zidane's fault that the Gunner did not take advantage. Zidane is not the best player in the world any more, he doesn't do as many of the wonderful tricks, but Zizou is still the real boss of the French team.'
One of the few reporters on the French beat to come at the Zidane issue from another angle is Patrick Sowden of France-Football magazine. He argues that the hero of the 1998 World Cup Final triumph is a luxury they cannot afford, that Zidane and Henry are simply incompatible.
'Thierry Henry is an arrow who needs open spaces to run into,' opines Sowden. 'His game is based on his extreme pace and he needs to have quick service. That service will not be provided by Zidane, whose instinct is to caress the ball, to hang on to it. Each second lost allows the opposition to get back and block the runs of Henry.
'To my mind Raymond Domenech has never decided whether he wants to build his team around Zidane or Henry. He is trying to accommodate them both and in doing so has taken some of the qualities away from both of them. For Henry, the French team is nothing like that of Arsenal, where everything is set up for him.'
Another dilemma for Domenech is the total lack of form of midfield lynchpin Patrick Vieira. For most of last season at Juventus he was a shadow of his former dynamic self and in recent internationals he has cut the figure of a lost soul, clearly running on empty in terms of confidence. The media have been urging Domenech to axe the Juve man, yet ex-players are not so sure.
'Patrick has been struggling, that's obvious,' says former French midfielder Alain Giresse. 'He's been handicapped by a groin problem I believe and he's found his best form elusive. We badly need him at the top of his game. I don't see any real alternative.'
Vieira's old Arsenal midfield partner Emmanuel Petit also sprung to the defence of his old colleague: 'Naturally it's not easy to come off a difficult season and then turn it on at a World Cup, but I have great faith in Pat. He's a great competitor. In hard times he knows how to knuckle down and get through it.'
For other pundits, France's problems stem from Domenech's tactical uncertainty. During his reign he has tried many and varied systems and though a 4-3-1-2 was used in all three pre-World Cup friendlies, it was jettisoned in favour of a 4-2-3-1 for the Swiss match. 'I don't think all these changes have helped the players at all,' declared former France boss Jacques Santini. 'Many of the players I picked are still around. Maybe I wasn't such a bad national coach after all.'
Must do better was the widely-held view of the experts. 'I would have liked to see the French team show much more purpose and attacking intent against the Swiss,' says ex-Auxerre manager Guy Roux. 'The Swiss are very well organised but we were just too predictable.'
The recently retired full-back Bayern Munich and France Bixente Lizarazu was of the same opinion. 'Collectively the sauce hasn't thickened yet,' he said in typically poetic form.
They are few words that provide a poetic and worryingly accurate epitaph for Raymond Domenech and his floundering team who seem to have been plunged into crisis just one game into a World Cup finals campaign.
Les Bleus may have turned in the most disappointing performance of the tournament to date and another 90 minutes of ineptitude against South Korea on Sunday may see the unthinkable befall them for a second successive World Cup finals.
Still it could have been worse for Zidane, Henry and company as at least they avoided the painful journey back to Munich I was forced to endure on Tuesday.
Just as I was cursing my misfortune for attending what turned out to be the World Cup's worst game to date, my journey back to my German base was spent in the train carriage next to the ever-opinionated and often annoying former England boss Graham Taylor and radio pundit Alan Green, who used the duration of the journey to drone on about where France and Switzerland had gone wrong.
After a long and arduous day, such a painfully dull conversation just about finished me off and I felt as if the time had come to raise the white flag and admit defeat. Things could only get better.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/column...=worldcup&cc=5901&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1
South Koreans are not normally given to blowing their own trumpet, preferring modesty and understatement to predictions of certain victory.
However, it says everything about the current woeful state of the French national team that the Asians feel rather confident of getting a good result when they meet 'Les Bleus' in a Group G showdown in Leipzig on Sunday.
'It's nice for us to be number one in this group and I think we have a good chance of still being there after we play France,' said South Korean journalist Roh Ju-Hwan of Sports Chosun after watching the World Cup winners of 1998 fail to move out of first gear in an insipid goalless draw with Switzerland.
'Of course every World Cup game is tough and we respect the French players enormously, but they do seem to have many problems. In particular Zidane looked very tired in the later stages and for all their star names in attack, they posed little threat to the Swiss. I'm much more confident than I was about us doing well against the French.'
From my seat in the Stuttgart press box on Tuesday, France looked like a side clearly lacking in ideas and direction, with the on-pitch arguments between captain Zinedine Zidane and senior members of the defensive line a sign of what may be to come as the great man looks to make a final glorious bow in a game he has helped to make beautiful during his magical career.
Certainly France coach Raymond Domenech is taking a huge risk by by depending so much on the skills of veteran his playmaker. The ailing Zizou may be a Gallic football legend who has won virtually every honour in the game, but the facts have to be faced that time has caught up with the 34-year-old. Physically he is living on borrowed time and while the extraordinary ball skills remain, there must be a doubt as to whether he can last the pace in this his final hurrah as a professional.
The problem the French media have is that it is an unwritten rule of thumb not to criticise Zidane. Since he scored those two goals against Brazil in the 1998 World Cup Final it has become almost a cardinal sin to take pot shots at him and thus even though he clearly was out of gas in the last half-hour of the Swiss match, the verdict on his performance was generally a positive one.
'Zidane is still the ringmaster of the French side, the maestro who sets the tempo of the game and makes things happen,' says Jean-Yves Guerin of Le Figaro newspaper. 'Several times he put Thierry Henry through on goal. It's not Zidane's fault that the Gunner did not take advantage. Zidane is not the best player in the world any more, he doesn't do as many of the wonderful tricks, but Zizou is still the real boss of the French team.'
One of the few reporters on the French beat to come at the Zidane issue from another angle is Patrick Sowden of France-Football magazine. He argues that the hero of the 1998 World Cup Final triumph is a luxury they cannot afford, that Zidane and Henry are simply incompatible.
'Thierry Henry is an arrow who needs open spaces to run into,' opines Sowden. 'His game is based on his extreme pace and he needs to have quick service. That service will not be provided by Zidane, whose instinct is to caress the ball, to hang on to it. Each second lost allows the opposition to get back and block the runs of Henry.
'To my mind Raymond Domenech has never decided whether he wants to build his team around Zidane or Henry. He is trying to accommodate them both and in doing so has taken some of the qualities away from both of them. For Henry, the French team is nothing like that of Arsenal, where everything is set up for him.'
Another dilemma for Domenech is the total lack of form of midfield lynchpin Patrick Vieira. For most of last season at Juventus he was a shadow of his former dynamic self and in recent internationals he has cut the figure of a lost soul, clearly running on empty in terms of confidence. The media have been urging Domenech to axe the Juve man, yet ex-players are not so sure.
'Patrick has been struggling, that's obvious,' says former French midfielder Alain Giresse. 'He's been handicapped by a groin problem I believe and he's found his best form elusive. We badly need him at the top of his game. I don't see any real alternative.'
Vieira's old Arsenal midfield partner Emmanuel Petit also sprung to the defence of his old colleague: 'Naturally it's not easy to come off a difficult season and then turn it on at a World Cup, but I have great faith in Pat. He's a great competitor. In hard times he knows how to knuckle down and get through it.'
For other pundits, France's problems stem from Domenech's tactical uncertainty. During his reign he has tried many and varied systems and though a 4-3-1-2 was used in all three pre-World Cup friendlies, it was jettisoned in favour of a 4-2-3-1 for the Swiss match. 'I don't think all these changes have helped the players at all,' declared former France boss Jacques Santini. 'Many of the players I picked are still around. Maybe I wasn't such a bad national coach after all.'
Must do better was the widely-held view of the experts. 'I would have liked to see the French team show much more purpose and attacking intent against the Swiss,' says ex-Auxerre manager Guy Roux. 'The Swiss are very well organised but we were just too predictable.'
The recently retired full-back Bayern Munich and France Bixente Lizarazu was of the same opinion. 'Collectively the sauce hasn't thickened yet,' he said in typically poetic form.
They are few words that provide a poetic and worryingly accurate epitaph for Raymond Domenech and his floundering team who seem to have been plunged into crisis just one game into a World Cup finals campaign.
Les Bleus may have turned in the most disappointing performance of the tournament to date and another 90 minutes of ineptitude against South Korea on Sunday may see the unthinkable befall them for a second successive World Cup finals.
Still it could have been worse for Zidane, Henry and company as at least they avoided the painful journey back to Munich I was forced to endure on Tuesday.
Just as I was cursing my misfortune for attending what turned out to be the World Cup's worst game to date, my journey back to my German base was spent in the train carriage next to the ever-opinionated and often annoying former England boss Graham Taylor and radio pundit Alan Green, who used the duration of the journey to drone on about where France and Switzerland had gone wrong.
After a long and arduous day, such a painfully dull conversation just about finished me off and I felt as if the time had come to raise the white flag and admit defeat. Things could only get better.