Your only gripes with PES4 should be...

[RicFlair]

A) NO FIFA like License for every club and league; it's really absurd and minor league now.

NO Official Tournaments built into a season i.e ManU and Chelsea and Arsenal seasons would have CL competition and Worthless Cup built in...Middlesboro would have UEFA Cup built into their schedule with the offical name as well.
FIFA was so far ahead on this , by about 5 years maybe more. It's a much much needed feature.

The rest of your gripes are rubbish.

 

[CopeCOwBoy]

graphics arent up to par with new pc games.

 

[swinny]

All you ever do is seem to knock things epecilly wolf whom has greatly improved my game so why dont you p;ss off.

 

[Biscuit]

Yeah, apart from the graphics, I feel there aint anything wrong, as long as you have people like Wolf in the community producing excellent patches, you dont have to worry about the licenses!

 

[Nuno]

I like the graphics better than Fifa's(I'm referring to the PC version). The player models and faces look far more realisitic. Fifa just has better lighting.

 

[TristanAbbott7]

The biggest thing the game needs, if they can't afford to or don't want to allocate the expenditure towards official licenses for all the leagues is to give us the opportunity to replicate them easily.

We should, for example, be able to construct a replica of the EPL with the FA Cup, minor cups and European competitions built in. Sorry, but Masters League seems to be drifting further away from reality than getting closer to it. I can't bring myself to play ML anymore as the regeneration of players at 17 years old is dumb. We don't need aging in a game because we don't play the seasons in real time - some of us can get through a whole season in 2 says! By season 5 or 6 you can't keep anything that resembles the real-life squad for your team which is what most of us want to do anyway. I want to play as Manchester United, not a team which started off with Man Utd players but now I have to have x number of other players. That's no longer Man Utd!

WE9/PES5 should have greater edit options for everything and import options (for the PC version at least). We should be able to add more leagues, construct our own leagues with built-on tournaments and have the options to turn stuff off like transfers and the freaking radar!!!!

No probs with the graphics as far as I'm concerned. On a decent graphics card they look awesome.

I know we can play an EPL season but we should be able to build tournaments into that season such as the Champions League etc.

 

[Mel Brennan]

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
The biggest thing the game needs, if they can't afford to or don't want to allocate the expenditure towards official licenses for all the leagues is to give us the opportunity to replicate them easily.

We should, for example, be able to construct a replica of the EPL with the FA Cup, minor cups and European competitions built in...

Exactly. The game should have a wide-open league structure, giving anyone the flexibility to make any type of tournament, league, cup and season (as well as the combo thereof) they want, for as many seasons as they want.

It should also have the same flexibility with adding clubs.

That flexibility, both on and offline, would take PES5 to the top for the foreseeable future, on PC at least, regardless of whether or not they bought all the licenses, because with a flexible base, the community can provide, as they have been providing within the framework Konami has afforded. In addition, FIFA's business model is the opposite one; they look at it like "Well, our "hook" is the licenses; let's maximize that one thing we have by making as many games in one seasonas we can (e.g., see the upcoming CL game and the past WC games). Given that reality, there's no better way to undercut FIFA's leverage than to make match season/cup/league/tournament construction a major part of PES5/WE9.

This idea of expanding the landscape in which the community can operate is, to me, crucial for the evolution of Pro Evolution, because the gameplay, IMV, is at a place where it can really just be tweaked from a situational (PC cheat claims) and AI perspective.

 

[DryHeat]

They should seperate the development of the PC and PS2 versions. The PS2 cannot handle anything more. Any new ideas should appear or be tested on the PC version. When the PS3,XBOX2 or Nintendo 2 come out then the updated game should be released on those systems.

Even when PES5 comes out the only difference would be online mode for PS2. Unless they support usb flash drives or harddrive then that is all they can do.

The best thing to do for the PC version is get rid of the AFS system and replace it with the PC file system. It would make it easier to modify. Instead of wasting time resizing AFS you could just add the ball to the ball directory and the game would add to the ball list. They should make the game more configurable just like CM4. CM4 has a builder that lets you add as many teams/players/stadiums you want. How hard is this to add to the game. If Sensible Soccer can include a proper season mode and most teams on the planet then Konami have no excuses. They should also not hardcode all the teams in the executable. Everything in the game should be in a configuration file. You could then compare config files when playing online to make sure there is no cheating.

Personally PES is being held back by PS2 just like GTA and Gran Turismo. If another company just made a football game for the PC PES could easily be beaten. The only competition that i see is Dino Dini who is working on his version for the PC. A lot of his ideas such has control of players all the time and full control of passing from height to direction just like Kick off or sensible soccer not like the automated passing in PES, are ideas which konami should have implemented ages ago. A lot of the bugs in PES4 were in PES3 and PES2, Konmai seem to be going the EA root. Instead of fixing bugs they just release a new version we have to buy with some of the bugs fixed.

Graphically the game is good but they should use real time lightiing and weather like Michael Owens Soccer on the PS1.

Last of all Konami should supply us with details in how to build stadiums and add them to the game. There is no chance in helll Konami are goind to add every stadium for every team, but there is more chance of this happening if everyone is allowed to add there own stadiums.

 

[Mel Brennan]

Yes, the ability to add stadia is good as well. Just an open framework into which we can insert the extra goodies.

 

[jumbo]

1) FiFa Licence

Probability: 0%
Comments: None.

2) Official Tournaments:

Probability: 20%
Comments: Why spend money on "names" for cup competitions?

3) Better Graphics:

Probablity: 80%
Comments: I feel a huge facelift coming in 2006.

4) Flexible League/Cup Structure:

Probability: 50%
Comments: I feel like they want to give us some flexability here but not total control. WE8: renaming ml divisions, selecting which teams to which divisions, etc. Small steps but a progress. I wouldn't expect much more. I doubt KONAMI would ever do away with the ML.

5) Seperate PC development:

Probability: 1%
Comments: The PC market is a little extra cash for KONAMI, not a priority. The main platforms for WE games will ALWAYS be consoles.
The so called :drevil: better graphics :drevil: for PES will be a reality in 2006.
The PC version will never match the numbers that the Japanese version of WE, alone, sells. I wouldn't expect nothing but ports.. UNLESS konami gets as rich as EA and can afford more dev studios.

 

[aqua]

Originally posted by DryHeat
Personally PES is being held back by PS2...

...control of players all the time and full control of passing from height to direction just like Kick off or sensible soccer not like the automated passing in PES, are ideas which konami should have implemented ages ago.

I completely agree with the second statement. Full analogue control is long overdue. This 8 directions movement and scripted passing is like something from the early 1990's. PES has moved forward in many ways, but in other crucial ways, it's completely stood still.

But I don't see why the PS2 should be to blame. Yes, I agree that the PC offers a far greater scope for massive development of ideas but many of the basics still missing from PES (full league structures, proper analogue controls for passing and movement, etc) could have been written on the Amiga in 1992. The PS2 is capable of delivering many things that Konami just don't seem to realise are missing.

 

[jumbo]

^ I agree. WE/PES doesn't need better graphics. They are far more imporant things to work on than that. The last thing I'd expect is PES fans being graphic whores. Hello, didn't that honor belong to the FIFA boys not that long ago?

 

[TristanAbbott7]

I really love the graphics for the PC version of PES4. I was playing last night and was just in the mood to let the cinematics play out each time and I'm really impressed at just how good the detail is. On the licensed faces they've done a great job. Take into account that just over a year ago we couldn't even step into a FIFA vs PES/WE graphics debate because Konami's graphics were a little sub-standard but now they're awesome. I'm sure they'll be even better in WE9.

I just want flexibility, I don't care about the licenses. I've spent the best part of the last year editing and patching to compensate for the lack of licenses and I have no probs with doing that every year. What I would like is the ability to be able to do it easily.

 

[JanerAli]

Graphics are fine but I would have liked the Euro Champions league and Wothless/FA cups added into the season etc