Another Classic Quote from a FIFA fan

[theCRO]

Originally posted by culo
So long as we say only good things about PES and bad things about FIFA?? That seems to be the unwritten rule on this forum.

Bull****!

we cannot be held responsible if FIFA pales in comparison, and it does. The main issue here is with people like yourself taking offense at our view...

 

[Ashy]

Originally posted by theCRO
10/10 again if its the best in its field and gives this much enjoyment.

Answer me this, if France is the best in the world in 1998, they get the No. 1 ranking, they're better than the competition. So what happens if they're better in 2002 World Cup? what's better than no.1?

same with PES3, its the best, most realistic game, so it gets a perfect score, nothing can compare...

if a team has a number one ranking and then maintain that ranking they are still the best. thats a ranking system compared to other teams. not a mark out of ten which is a rating system.

by giving a game 10/10 you are rating it and saying its perfect. its not necessarily being compared to anything else you are basing it on an opinion and by giving it 10/10. so can it get better?

you cant compare the two

 

[Ashy]

and by the way, im not taking offense of anyones view, i agree that fifa is ****. im making the point i do have to let people know about it every five minutes in the same threads with the same boring insults.

you not getting bored going over the same things again and again?

 

[theCRO]

Originally posted by Ashy
if a team has a number one ranking and then maintain that ranking they are still the best. thats a ranking system compared to other teams. not a mark out of ten which is a rating system.

by giving a game 10/10 you are rating it and saying its perfect. its not necessarily being compared to anything else you are basing it on an opinion and by giving it 10/10. so can it get better?

you cant compare the two

see that's where your problem is, 10/10 isn't perfect, its just the best mark you can give to the best game ever made. Just like giving a movie 5 stars doesn't mean it's exactly "perfect" or rating a player with a 10 doesn't mean he couldn't have done better.

I don't see where your confusion comes from, its a straight forward concept employed by all reviewers...

 

[wheed007]

how about this, me a convert from fifa will never touch that game again, so why do pes fans always judge fifa? Because you IDIOTS who play it dont know what you are missing by not playing pes, its available for both PC and PS 2 so.... either you like to make out with beckham hairstyles or you aren't a true footballer. Thats it, those are your only two options, I dont care what you say thats it, you either arent a true footballer so u play something easy and not fun just for its looks and you play it for five minutes. I ve played every fifa since 97 and played to master it, took about a few days. I played PES 3 for first time when demo came out, never turned fifa on again. SO we are saying play PES not FIFA IS ****, it is but we are saying play pes BECAUSE fifa is ****

 

[mohawk]

Originally posted by theCRO
see that's where your problem is, 10/10 isn't perfect, its just the best mark you can give to the best game ever made. Just like giving a movie 5 stars doesn't mean it's exactly "perfect" or rating a player with a 10 doesn't mean he couldn't have done better.

I don't see where your confusion comes from, its a straight forward concept employed by all reviewers...

Although I usually agree with you...with the 10/10 debate i have to disagree. 10/10 means a perfect score and unless you think PES3 is perfect and can not be improved on then 10/10 is fair....but if you are giving it 10/10 cause the it is the best of a bad bunch then you are not right in giving it 10/10.

Something given a perfect score should deserve it on its own merits...not based on what the competition.

Personally I would give PES3 8/10 - This for me is a great score but there is room for improvements.

Fifa2004 i would give 6.5/10 I think this is a fair score.

 

[culo]

Originally posted by theCRO
see that's where your problem is, 10/10 isn't perfect, its just the best mark you can give to the best game ever made. Just like giving a movie 5 stars doesn't mean it's exactly "perfect" or rating a player with a 10 doesn't mean he couldn't have done better.

I don't see where your confusion comes from, its a straight forward concept employed by all reviewers...

lol

 

[theCRO]

I think you know that this isn't the sole reason to give PES3 the best mark available..

 

[Daniel Jones]

how about this, me a convert from fifa will never touch that game again, so why do pes fans always judge fifa? Because you IDIOTS who play it dont know what you are missing by not playing pes, its available for both PC and PS 2 so.... either you like to make out with beckham hairstyles or you aren't a true footballer. Thats it, those are your only two options, I dont care what you say thats it, you either arent a true footballer so u play something easy and not fun just for its looks and you play it for five minutes. I ve played every fifa since 97 and played to master it, took about a few days. I played PES 3 for first time when demo came out, never turned fifa on again. SO we are saying play PES not FIFA IS ****, it is but we are saying play pes BECAUSE fifa is ****

It's posts like these that really make one sound intelligent. I mean really, you can master either game. I'd have to say PES is a more rewarding and realistic game than FIFA (and I own a copy of FIFA04) but it's really quite pointless to debase somebody simply because they like something you don't.

 

[pronewbie]

Hey another classic quote:


Have you ever played soccer in real life.. then you would know that FIFA 2004 is the best and most realistic football simulation ever made..
And I would like to comment some of your outbursts
1. Transfer Window.. If you don't know when the Transfer Window closes then you do not pay attention to the football world
2. Final screen before match: have you tried clicking on one of the players and then moove down.. YOU CAN SWITCH PLAYERS IF YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR LINE UP BETTER... Are you really that stupid.
3. Passes and shots. If you cannot make passes and shots then let me tell you one thing: IT's NOT THE GAME THAT MAKES THE PASSES.. IT's YOU: STUPID...
And when your playing follow this rule:
KISS
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
4. The Freekicks and corners have never been better.. Then if you have not played in real life.. you wouldn't know..

And I think there is many out there who wil agree with me
DON'T WRITE SUTCH STUPID POSTS AGAIN..

 

[kdgde]

Pronewbie, I think you might be wrong. Maybe this person can actually shoot the ball 300 mph. We never know.
Maybe he can score 60% from all those freekicks.

 

[kdgde]

read this:

"i dont get some people; who cares if some people like fifa 2004 more than PES or viceversa; i for one also think fifa 2004 is the best game out there right now (and i have played alot of soccer games in my time) ; because fifa 2004 has more things to offer and plays really cool (finally) and konami is to arcade looking game and i havent seen anything in the gameplay that i havent seen before in konamis soccer games an get bored very soon; but not for that reason iam going to start dissing konami;so come on people ist about having options"

 

[culo]

Originally posted by theCRO
The main issue here is with people like yourself taking offense at our view...

I think you'll find that it is when someone posts criticisms of PES on this forum that people like you seem to take personal offence and start bringing up the fatuous "go play FIFA" nonsense.

I have no allegiance to FIFA. I haven't bought a FIFA game since 1998 and the way that series is developing, I don't have any expectation that I'll be buying it in the next few years either.

But it does amaze me when some people "discover" PES, they seem to lose all objectivety. Suddenly, everything becomes black or white. Their attitude seems to be that because PES is better than FIFA, PES is therefore perfect and FIFA is to be damned at all times. The obvious flaws with FIFA are to be ridculed at every opportunity but the obvious flaws with PES are to be denied and ignored or lame excuses made that the game is actually better with the flaw....arguments along the lines of "I'm glad there aren't more teams in PES because then the teams wouldn't be so individual"... .

Of course, if anyone finds a flaw with PES, it's because "they don't know how to play the game" or "they know nothing about football". It's simply not possible that some of us can actually get it into our heads that PES is a computer program and that we can see flaws in the computer program?

 

[theCRO]

that's a great point, if it was true that is. We criticise PES plenty, look back a year and see our threads about PES2, even the mopre recent WE7, WE6FE and PES3 criticism threads..

do you actually read the forum or do you come up with conclusions based on a few fans and their posting habits?

I for one have never played a better game. It feels like football, every situation can be realistic, and 90% of the time it feels just right. I bought a PS2 just for this game, and I haven't regretted it for a minute.

I've always said, I do not want more teams at the expense of realism. If they can add the 600 teams certain gamers are calling for and manage to make them unique, then of course we would be the better for it.

Its a sad fact that some of the most opinionated people actually know very little about football...your defense of these individuals doesn't make this fact any less true.

So if we're to conclude that PES is actually miles ahead of FIFA in gameplay and realism (I think you agree with me culo) then we must also concede that criticisms of FIFA will innevitably be harsher. Comparisons will favour the better game, more praise will be given to the developers of the better game and more grief will be expressed at the worse game holding all the licences.

It's only natural, and why someone would take issue with this is beyond us.

Why do you take issue with it culo?

 

[morpheus]

A lot of the critisisms levelled at FIFA stem from the fact that they keep falling short on delivering a good product.

Remember Fifa 2003 and the inability to head the ball in open play? Didn't that leave you feeling cheated and frustrated? I haven't spent much time on the Fifa 2004 so I can't comment on it... too busy being addicted to the PES3 demo!

The PES 3 demo is an excellent game by far, exceeding my expectations of a football simulation game. I'm sure I'll have some issues with the game as I become better at it but my feedback on this issues will be in a tone that appreciates the fact that it is a well built product.

So, from a consumer point of view, I think I have ever right to reasonably let my negative feelings of Fifa and EA known, even if these opinions are laced with frustration and maybe even anger, as long as they remain objective.

 

[pronewbie]

KD, you do not get my point. He says FIFA 2004 is super realistic. But what's realistic about it if u can score 60% of freekicks based on.. meter bars

 

[mohawk]

Originally posted by morpheus
A lot of the critisisms levelled at FIFA stem from the fact that they keep falling short on delivering a good product.

Remember Fifa 2003 and the inability to head the ball in open play? Didn't that leave you feeling cheated and frustrated? I haven't spent much time on the Fifa 2004 so I can't comment on it... too busy being addicted to the PES3 demo!

The PES 3 demo is an excellent game by far, exceeding my expectations of a football simulation game. I'm sure I'll have some issues with the game as I become better at it but my feedback on this issues will be in a tone that appreciates the fact that it is a well built product.

So, from a consumer point of view, I think I have ever right to reasonably let my negative feelings of Fifa and EA known, even if these opinions are laced with frustration and maybe even anger, as long as they remain objective.

Here here....

I brought a new PC just to play Fifa2003 cos my original machine would not display names and numbers on player's backs....and when I played it I found you could not do standalone headers...(bug or what)

Fifa2004 I thought would be a major improvement...but unless the full version is drastically different from the demo I still did not like the shooting system and the AI was repetitive and predictable as hell...

maybe some players can see beyond that and love this game regardless...good on ya...but u have no foundations for your agruments when praising Fifa....probably the only good thing I would take from Fifa is the commentary...even the licensed teams can easily be edited in PES3...I used to always edit Fifa2003 like mad so makes no difference here.

 

[Ashy]

Originally posted by mohawk
but u have no foundations for your agruments when praising Fifa

haha, this is the point people have been trying to make, who says they have no foundations? just because you dont happen to agree with them doesnt make it right or wrong mate. its your opinion, nothing else.

 

[mohawk]

I have not seen one constructive statement from any Fifa player that convinces me that Fifa is anyway better than PES...

fifa2004 players strongest argument for this game is usually "PES3 sucks and Fifa Rulz fullstop."

Find me a gaming review online and/or magazine which rates Fifa2004 higher than PES3???

Its not that Fifa2004 fans disagree with me they are playing a inferior product but are in total denial.

Those who like Fifa2004 better either have never touched PES3...find it too difficult or are blinded by EA's marketing.

 

[Ashy]

i agree with you in the fact fifa is dung, but it doesnt give me the right to stop other people liking it. just because i dont enjoy it doesnt mean no one else can does it?

everyone has different tastes mate, you cant deny someone the choice and the right to like or dislike something...