Australia may have won fantastically but...

[JTNY]

Today, Australia ripped through England, complete domination of the match, no doubting that. Yet, it would be naive to take too much from this result.
a) It was a friendly
b) Was basically England (esp. first half) weren't really involved
c) A team almost the same struggled against Uruguay, yes that was over a year ago but, I still believe that Australia will struggle against teams from South America and continental Europe with tight marking and that don't give that much space. England prefer an attacking game, or a game not based on restricting the space of the opposition. I cannot see the Aussie players (perhaps besides Kewell) playing like they did today when there is not that much space. Imagine a heap of defenders on Viduka, Kewell with little to roam into and the midfield under constant pressure with tight opponents.

Hey, I could be wrong, this could be the kick-start the Socceroos need.

 

[mufc_daddy]

I think we wud beat the Ozzies if it was a competitive match, not a friendly. We have won 9 out of 13 competitive matches and lost only one (to Brazil). When we need to we will be strong. I am very annoyed at todays performance though.

 

[Parra Power]

Re: Australia may have won fantastically but...

Originally posted by JTNY
Today, Australia ripped through England, complete domination of the match, no doubting that. Yet, it would be naive to take too much from this result.
a) It was a friendly
b) Was basically England (esp. first half) weren't really involved
c) A team almost the same struggled against Uruguay, yes that was over a year ago but, I still believe that Australia will struggle against teams from South America and continental Europe with tight marking and that don't give that much space. England prefer an attacking game, or a game not based on restricting the space of the opposition. I cannot see the Aussie players (perhaps besides Kewell) playing like they did today when there is not that much space. Imagine a heap of defenders on Viduka, Kewell with little to roam into and the midfield under constant pressure with tight opponents.

Hey, I could be wrong, this could be the kick-start the Socceroos need.

don't be so negative . this is the greatest on-field moment that Australian football has had since 1974.... and don't ruin it.

australian football is rising from the near-death which has been around in recent times. apart from the World Cup (if we qualify), Australia has no chance to really prove themselves to the world outside of friendlies..... so stop making them sound meaningless

 

[leungtl]

Yeah, Aussies rule! They beat England! End of Story.

 

[soccerbest]

Well, the match already over so no use brooding over it.

 

[Digitarius]

Well, England are crap anyway!

 

[Jono82]

please... this WAS the last sport that the jealous poms had bragging rights in!

now it's gone!

REAL MEANING OF THE LETTERS IN NASA

"Not
Another
Sport,
Australia!"

- said by an Englishman who was almost in tears after I was chanting 'Just like every other sport you've ever invented!'

 

[Deutschland]

Australia beat England. Enuff said

 

[juventusita]

Re: Re: Australia may have won fantastically but...

Originally posted by Parra Power
apart from the World Cup (if we qualify)

 

[Jono82]

Re: Re: Australia may have won fantastically but...

Originally posted by Parra Power
don't be so negative . this is the greatest on-field moment that Australian football has had since 1974.... and don't ruin it.

australian football is rising from the near-death which has been around in recent times. apart from the World Cup (if we qualify), Australia has no chance to really prove themselves to the world outside of friendlies..... so stop making them sound meaningless

HEAR HEAR!

Australia plays against a quality opposition twice every 4 years... this was Australia's 1st choice XI's first hit out in 15 months... think about how many times England, Germany, or even Poland play against quality opposition... See the gap? Australia need friendlies to measure where they're at against the footballing world... even though you ppl may see them as meaningless, pointless, complete waste of time etc. THEY AREN'T FOR US!!!

Why do you think we try so hard?!

 

[Ruben Sosa]

Originally posted by Jono82
please... this WAS the last sport that the jealous poms had bragging rights in!

now it's gone!

REAL MEANING OF THE LETTERS IN NASA

"Not
Another
Sport,
Australia!"

- said by an Englishman who was almost in tears after I was chanting 'Just like every other sport you've ever invented!'

Oh please, it was a friendly, in other words a training match. You won it, deservingly, but that doesn't make it any more important and it doesn't mean you're better than England now. You people reacted the same way when you drew against France in what was also a friendly. There's nothing wrong with being happy with your national team winning but there’s a difference between celebrating and boasting.

EDIT:

Originally posted by Jono82
HEAR HEAR!

Australia plays against a quality opposition twice every 4 years... this was Australia's 1st choice XI's first hit out in 15 months... think about how many times England, Germany, or even Poland play against quality opposition... See the gap? Australia need friendlies to measure where they're at against the footballing world... even though you ppl may see them as meaningless, pointless, complete waste of time etc. THEY AREN'T FOR US!!!

Why do you think we try so hard?!

Hmm... fair point. Perhaps I was a bit hard before. But still, just because you take it seriously doesn't mean your opposition does. That’s why I’m very skeptical whenever one of you claims your national team’s strength.

 

[Jono82]

Originally posted by Ruben Sosa
(Part 1) There's nothing wrong with being happy with your national team winning but there’s a difference between celebrating and boasting.

(Part 2) Just because you take it seriously doesn't mean your opposition does. That’s why I’m very skeptical whenever one of you claims your national team’s strength.

1. You don't know anything about Australia vs England in ANY sport do you? The rivalry between Australia spans BEYOND the football fields!

2. Then why didn't they pick their Under-26 team from the start? But you've seen us play against decent opposition twice (YES - I'm talking about Uruguay here... France are no longer quality opposition ), and after the way we played in UruguayI can understand you not being impressed... but surely the way we played against the poms* (particularly in the 1st Half) proves something?!

Edit: * Pom = Prisoner Of (her) Majesty = English person

 

[Ruben Sosa]

Don't get me wrong, I think Australia has a decent team. I also said I thought Australia had won deservingly, I just find friendly matches a poor form of evaluating a team, even if it is against a rival.

 

[KuZiBrO]

Australia are a good team and played really well against the poms , Friendlys are the only way the Socceroos get to play quailty teams, we are not like Uruguay and have teams like Brazil and Argentina close bye we have no one like that near us. But really who wants to be close too U are Gays that spit on people.
you sure no how to make a team feel welcome in you country.



England 1 Australia 3 (thats gotta hurt! )

 

[Ruben Sosa]

Did you read my posts? Probably not, otherwise you'd see I wasn't attacking Australia or its national team. Do you know anything at all about Uruguay? Definitely not. You don't even know how to write in your own language. Did you know your press wrote a rather large insulting article about Uruguay before the playoffs began? I doubt it, you probably can't even read either.

There were approximately 30 people at the airport waiting for your national team. There are just over 3 million inhabitants in Uruguay. I was never good at math but I think that's around 0.00001% of Uruguay's population. Are you going to judge a whole country because of 0.00001%?

It's usually best to wait till you have something useful to say before posting.

 

[XJaymz]

There's no such thing as a friendly between Australia and England.

When our Rugby team looses to England in a one off match, that isn't part of a tournement, no one here goes "it was just a friendly".

Plus remember, the Australian team NEVER trains together. They never play together. The last time tihis team played together was against Uruguay. Engalnd (their first half team) is a team that playes everu few months, and trains together.

Most games Australia plays are played using players based in Australia, no Euro based playres at all. Only once or twice every year or two does the real team get together.

This was the giggest thing that killed us against Uruguay. That was a one off game for us. Uruguay had played an entire round of qualifications together. We get one shot, do or die. That was what was wrong about Oceiana. You could play top opposition for 4 years to prepare, but in the end, we got one shot only, and if you had a bad day, it wouldn't have mattered if Australia was ranked number one. Oceiana may be pretty easy now with direct qualification, but what about USA, no one complains about them.

Granted, had it been a best of five, like the ashes, I don't think Australia would win it. But I don't buy this "not motivated, only a friendly crap". The first half team are top professionals who should be motivated, and should know the Australia - England rivalry. The second team are youngesters, many uncapped. If you can't get motivated for your first international, what can you.

If it really were Just A Friendly, would the english tabloids and media have reacted the way they did. I know in Australian sport, there is no such thing as an international firendly. There are just interntionals.

Once upon a time, in football, there were no such things as "international friendlies" either. There were INTERNATIOALS.

 

[KuZiBrO]

Fair go i did read your posts and you said. (I just find friendly matches a poor form of evaluating a team, even if it is against a rival. ) Question what else do we have? Nothing friendlys are it for the Socceroos , And as for spitting on people its still a shame to treat professional footballers like that. Remember its just a game .

 

[Ruben Sosa]

Originally posted by XJaymz
When our Rugby team looses to England in a one off match, that isn't part of a tournament, no one here goes "it was just a friendly".

Well this is a Football Forum, however I'm sure it happens in Rugby Forums elsewhere.

Oceania may be pretty easy now with direct qualification, but what about USA, no one complains about them.

I don't see what's so easy about qualifying against Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, Jamaica and T&T. They're all more that worthy opposition.

I don't buy this "not motivated, only a friendly crap". The first half team are top professionals who should be motivated, and should know the Australia - England rivalry. The second team are youngesters, many uncapped. If you can't get motivated for your first international, what can you.

Yes, professional players should always be motivated and give 100% even if it is a friendly. However, now a days and with the football season halfway, I think it's likely that the players were more worried about taking injuries and getting paid than winning a friendly. A good example is the Brazil vs. China match. Had it been anything but a friendly I seriously doubt Brazil would have drawn. Also, the fact that England played 2 squads leads me to believe that they lacked some interest in the game.

If it really were Just A Friendly, would the english tabloids and media have reacted the way they did.

No idea. I'm not English, nor am I trying to defend them. Just stating thoughts and opinions.

Originally posted by KuZiBrO
Fair go i did read your posts and you said. "I just find friendly matches a poor form of evaluating a team, even if it is against a rival." Question what else do we have? Nothing friendlys are it for the Socceroos , And as for spitting on people its still a shame to treat professional footballers like that. Remember its just a game .

I know friendly games are really the only time the full team comes together, yet that doesn't make them any more than a training match for the opposition. Just because one country is taking it seriously doesn’t mean the other is.

You keep telling me of the rivalry between England and Australia, would England, had they really been taking the game seriously, switched their whole squad at half time?

As for the incident at the airport. Many worst things have happened in other counties. And while I'm not trying to justify what happened, I feel the article I previously mentioned largely influenced the fan's actions.

 

[C-B]

Originally posted by Ruben Sosa
Well this is a Football Forum, however I'm sure it happens in Rugby Forums elsewhere.



I don't see what's so easy about qualifying against Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, Jamaica and T&T. They're all more that worthy opposition.



Yes, professional players should always be motivated and give 100% even if it is a friendly. However, now a days and with the football season halfway, I think it's likely that the players were more worried about taking injuries and getting paid than winning a friendly. A good example is the Brazil vs. China match. Had it been anything but a friendly I seriously doubt Brazil would have drawn. Also, the fact that England played 2 squads leads me to believe that they lacked some interest in the game.



No idea. I'm not English, nor am I trying to defend them. Just stating thoughts and opinions.



I know friendly games are really the only time the full team comes together, yet that doesn't make them any more than a training match for the opposition. Just because one country is taking it seriously doesn’t mean the other is.

You keep telling me of the rivalry between England and Australia, would England, had they really been taking the game seriously, switched their whole squad at half time?

As for the incident at the airport. Many worst things have happened in other counties. And while I'm not trying to justify what happened, I feel the article I previously mentioned largely influenced the fan's actions.

England only switched the whole side at Half Time cause they are too scared the players clubs might sue if they get injured or tired,
and Gary Neville even said he would play Country over Club anytime, even a freiendly.
The only person that anyone thought that didnt care was Erikson.

Finnaly WE WON 3-1 FOR BLOOODY CHRISTS SAKE!
If it was a world cup it would probobly be 2-1!
Plus the 1st half team actually TRIED to win!!!

 

[maddog1983]

Originally posted by Ruben Sosa


Yes, professional players should always be motivated and give 100% even if it is a friendly. However, now a days and with the football season halfway, I think it's likely that the players were more worried about taking injuries and getting paid than winning a friendly. A good example is the Brazil vs. China match. Had it been anything but a friendly I seriously doubt Brazil would have drawn. Also, the fact that England played 2 squads leads me to believe that they lacked some interest in the game.

No idea. I'm not English, nor am I trying to defend them. Just stating thoughts and opinions.

I know friendly games are really the only time the full team comes together, yet that doesn't make them any more than a training match for the opposition. Just because one country is taking it seriously doesn’t mean the other is.

You keep telling me of the rivalry between England and Australia, would England, had they really been taking the game seriously, switched their whole squad at half time?

You didnt watch the game did you ?

all i am going to say is dont get involved in arguements when you have no idea what you are talking about !
the uruguay game we lost we were comprehensively beaten in Montevideo and most decent Aussies accept that these days BUT

if your not English or Aussie you wont understand how much this game meant to both

Everybody is talking about how england subbed their entire team ... which was disrespect but Sven was just Bowing to pressure from the big wig league managers ... (something the FA are trying to fix up now) This is Englands last match before Leichenstein and Turkey qualifiers and they havent been in good form against Macadonia or the other team they played .

The first half England were busting their balls just like australia so dont give me that ... they were going in soft protecting themselves against injuries crap .....

Originally posted by Ruben Sosa


No idea. I'm not English, nor am I trying to defend them. Just stating thoughts and opinions.

ARE YOU A KIWI IN DISGUISE ? ? ----> aussie basher