Bayern München Thread [2007/08]

[zeqa_soft]

i disagree with both of you, sure Gattuso is not good at scoring goals or putting crosses in but the reason why he is important to Milan and Italy is due to the fact that he is a professional and does his job effectively, which is to follow the key players of opposing teams(e.g C.Ronaldo last year, he effectively marked him, keeping him very quiet)....
he's like a Makelele or a Mascherano type of player, if he does sign for you guys, i'm sure he'll prove u guys wrong.

cheers

ok,,,can you tell me for what is gatuso so important for bayern when he cant to shot goals or to make crosses he,,,, i think we dont need a dm but a striker and a professioanl goal keeper ,,, in middlefield we have good player and for the next season i think we will be a great team,,,,,,,,,,, my fc bayern dream formation for the next year is

rensing

lahm lucio demichelis jansen




altintop vanbommel ze roberto(ottl) ribery



berbatov(podolski) Toni

 

[zeqa_soft]

and paolo as a bayern fan you must now all news about bayern,,,,sandro wagner is now rehalible from heis injury and got same short games in the fc bayern II,,,, i remember that he shot also a goal foor bayern ,,**** because he is a good striker and i think he good the potencial for the future and the injuries dont leave him to play

 

[Zakov]

the thing is u said Gattuso isn't a good player, which isn't true(he won the Champions League twice and the WC, playing in those games consistently as well, surely he's a decent player the very least).

and surely u can't expect every 11 players on your side to able to make crosses and shoot goals. read my post properly, Gattuso is not that type of player, so too are Makelele and Mascherano, yet why are they so important to their respective teams?

I don't know whether he'll be important for Bayern or not, but I do know that he is a decent player, while u guys have been saying that he isn't a good player.
at least thats what i believe.

 

[BayernBoz]

I don't think that you guys (zega_soft, paolo) understand the importance of having 'that' type of player on your team. We need someone to disturb the opponent, to shut down their best player(s). You guys think that because Gattuso won't score or assist that he is useless? Yea, he didn't score for Italy or Milan much, yet who won the last World Cup? Who has been the most effective team in the Champions League over the years? Thank You. And Gattuso was there to play every single minute and second of it. This is a game that requires all 11 players to be strong at the same time in order to win the best tournaments in the world, and Gattuso surely wasn't in those Starting Eleven by chance, or simply taking up space for no reason.

Paolo, I think you have some bias in your responses regarding this topic. Saying that he is lucky to have won all those trophies? I hope you're just joking or getting frustration out. Just because he's maybe kicked or maybe brushed by your Roma players a little harshly during their games all these years, doesn't mean that you take kudos away from him. Even if you think he's an a**hole, give the man respect for what he has done, he is a Champion! That's all I'm saying.

BTW, am I completely missing something here? Zega_soft, you talk about a new striker when we have Toni, Klose and Podolski? No, thanks. I think our primary focus after securing Gattuso, is to get an established GK. I don't think Lucio is leaving, so we can relax on that CB issue. I'm very excited to get the new season underway.

Hendrik, any word on the new trikots for next season?

 

[paolo-fcb]

Bayern-Boz, maybe u got reason, it's true that I think that Gattuso is not that good as somebody believes but I've to be honest, i really hate this guy so my ideas are not so clear about him, I consider him only for his behaviour uncorrect on the field with Milan, i don't like Milan, I'm italian but I hate italian national team, so sure I'm not the kind of man who can talk sincerely about Gattuso, he's a good player, ok, but very very far from my model of football player, and repeat we don't need him, maybe u don't watch italian football, 5 years ago Gattuso was ok, now he's ended in football, so better get a 45 old player than him, I watch italian football and know all the players, I can tell u that De Rossi is the best midfielder in Italy, not cause he plays with my loved Roma but for me it's real, and there'r many players in that position better or younger than Gattuso, 4 example Flamini, but he's gone to Milan, Fabregas, Gerrard, Tymoschuk and others again, I love Bayern and I'd wish to have in my team only players I like, nobody else, so 4 example I love Olli Kahn cause he's the history of our team, and other players, but remember one thing: if Gattuso will come to Bayern I'll support him too cause I support Bayern doesn't matter who's on the field, FORZA BAYERN!

 

[BayernBoz]

First of all, I don't get to see many Serie A games, so you probably know way more about italian soccer than i do. I agree that some of the players you mentioned could/would be better than Gattuso, but we have to be realistic, those players are not coming to Bayern. Gerrard? It's dumb to even mention. Flamini? Just signed for Milan. De Rossi? I don't know what his situation is at Roma...but, we are close to getting Gattuso and that is a big plus for our team. All the world class teams would love Gattuso on their team. Manchester United is after him, and so is Real Madrid.

Anyways, you say that Gattuso was good 5 years ago, yet the World Cup was only less than 2 years ago and Milan has been one of the best, if not the best performer in the Champions League over the last few years. That argument goes completely against logic and the point that I made above. Read it again because I don't feel like typing it up all over again.

 

[paolo-fcb]

Vielleicht hast du Recht, maybe, and I hope, u got reason, I repeat: if Gattuso will join Bayern I'll support him like any other Bayern player

So think to the present, we've a feast on saturday, for OLLI and mr. Hitzfeld, here's a nice pic:

 

[ShiftyPowers]

i disagree with both of you, sure Gattuso is not good at scoring goals or putting crosses in but the reason why he is important to Milan and Italy is due to the fact that he is a professional and does his job effectively, which is to follow the key players of opposing teams(e.g C.Ronaldo last year, he effectively marked him, keeping him very quiet)....
he's like a Makelele or a Mascherano type of player, if he does sign for you guys, i'm sure he'll prove u guys wrong.

cheers

This is obviously correct, and I'm glad I don't have to spend my time typing all of it out. The biggest mistake from a strategic perspective I've seen in my lifetime was Real Madrid letting Makelele go, and I said so at the time, but no only a few people understood just how important he was to that team. Gattuso is a player in that same vein, and he has been just as successful as Claude in that role. Remember, Makelele has been very effective until 34 years old.

 

[newbie original]

Over the past 3 seasons, in the Champions League, we've had to deal with more of Gattuso than we'd have liked and I can tell you, from his games against us, that he does his job very well. His job is NOT to cross or score goals or play "beautifully". His job is to play in front of the defenders and clamp down on opposing attacking midfielders, like a Ronaldo, Lampard, Messi or Gerrard.

I too remember having read quite a few articles about how Makelele vital to Real Madrid, before he left in 2003. You could easily tell that to be the case from watching many of the CL games that season(2002-2003). To some degree, I think that many of the players knew it.

 

[BayernBoz]

Last time we had a player in Gattuso's league, we won the Champions League. Effenberg.

 

[paolo-fcb]

Last time we had a player in Gattuso's league, we won the Champions League. Effenberg.

Effenberg??????

 

[BayernBoz]

Look at Ottmar looking all young and handsome...

 

[paolo-fcb]

Look at Ottmar looking all young and handsome...

It was 20th may 2000, after the miracle of Unterhaching.......

VIZE---VIZE---MEISTER---DAUM......oooooooooo

 

[Tifon]

Gattuso will be a great adition to our squad, specially in those plays in which Lucio goes forward like a "berserker"

And i think another quality striker will do fine to the team, because Podolski only does well in matches with no importance (speaking of his performance at Bayern)

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I don't think that's fair to Podolski. He never had a fair chance this season, and his confidence was obviously affected. When he got more consistent minutes at the end of the year he started scoring, and those games were NOT meaningless.

Look, I think Gattuso is definitely top quality, but I'm worried about his age. Just how long is he going to be so good? Some are suggesting that he's already started to lose it this season. I don't know why, but it seems like Subsaharan Africans are the best DMs in the world right now. They just seem to have the right attitude. Look at Essien, the Diarras, Toure, Bouba Diop, Makelele (from the DRC), Viera (Senegal), and of course my favorite one ever, Desailly, is from Ghana. We should scout for hungry subsaharan african players, and if we don't want to do much work, we can look for them in France, instead of Africa.

 

[paolo-fcb]

I don't think that's fair to Podolski. He never had a fair chance this season, and his confidence was obviously affected. When he got more consistent minutes at the end of the year he started scoring, and those games were NOT meaningless.

Look, I think Gattuso is definitely top quality, but I'm worried about his age. Just how long is he going to be so good? Some are suggesting that he's already started to lose it this season. I don't know why, but it seems like Subsaharan Africans are the best DMs in the world right now. They just seem to have the right attitude. Look at Essien, the Diarras, Toure, Bouba Diop, Makelele (from the DRC), Viera (Senegal), and of course my favorite one ever, Desailly, is from Ghana. We should scout for hungry subsaharan african players, and if we don't want to do much work, we can look for them in France, instead of Africa.

Totally agree!

Tomorrow great feast in München, don't lose it guys!

Amarcord (in the 1st pics u cannot believe but he's really OLLI!!!!!):

 

[Hendrik]

Lahm has signed a contract extension through 2012.

 

[Tifon]

You have to read spanish newspapers nonsense

And by that, i mean Sport (Which is a newspaper that hails Barca ). The thing is that now that the Cules received the news that Lahm got a contract extension with Bayern, they got pissed off. Yesterday he was one of the greatest players in the world, now he is just "crap". But wait! there is more!, now Sport is saying that Barca will get Ribery and Toni!!!! (along with other players from around europe)

 

[Deisler]

Lahm has signed a contract extension through 2012.

Exellent.
So now you can't hold it against me for buying the manchaft trikot # 16.
Does that mean that Sagnol is out the door?

 

[ShiftyPowers]

totally right!

I think it's because they are physical stronger than others, fundamental thing for that role. Then they have improved their technique very much, and of course they are smart coz you don't need physical strong player who would be stupid for that role haha

And yeah I agree too, Best DM's are coming from France

So last season product of France was Yaya Toure (For me the best ATM) and this season will be my love Lorik Cana

Not many people really pay attention to great DM play, but those of us who do REALLY pay attention and relish the great ones. I'm a DM connoisseur, watching a great DM to me is the best position to watch in soccer except for a great playmaker. Then wingers.

Exellent.
So now you can't hold it against me for buying the manchaft trikot # 16.
Does that mean that Sagnol is out the door?

Hopefully not. One of Lahm, Sagnol, and Jansen is always injured. That's a great rotation. Although I suppose we do have Lell who's coming on a bit, so maybe we could get rid of one.